But that's my point: right now we're leaving it to her. We promised to take care of ourselves, and right now we're not doing that. It's something we're already going to have to apologize to Mami for; let's not make it worse by not fixing our mistakes after we made them.
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I would absolutely love to also.
It's too long and is dictating dialouge to Sabrina with the assumption that we get that far in the conversation.
At this point, why are we trying to predict what she says? It's excess work.
[] What do you mean Hitomi?
Does more then trying to program a responce sequence.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
[x] God Dammit
[x] "What WOULD give me the right Hitomi? Would losing a lower torso outside of Sayaka's House? Would the perpetual terror that everyone is going to just die when I'm not around work?
[x] A GODDAM WEEK is how long girls last on average.
[x] I could have killed them and we would not be having this conversation. I was inches from doing it, and I decided that it was a hasty and irrational decision that needed to be weighed.
[x] Sorry if I make fucking mistakes in my desperate, fumbling, attempts to keep my family safe.
[x] "What WOULD give me the right Hitomi? Would losing a lower torso outside of Sayaka's House? Would the perpetual terror that everyone is going to just die when I'm not around work?
[x] A GODDAM WEEK is how long girls last on average.
[x] I could have killed them and we would not be having this conversation. I was inches from doing it, and I decided that it was a hasty and irrational decision that needed to be weighed.
[x] Sorry if I make fucking mistakes in my desperate, fumbling, attempts to keep my family safe.
Gadjo
Doka
Okay so the Onmur vote, again, brings up the potential violence which is problematic because it forgets the basic implied trust that we're all friends and won't be literally trying to fight each other. Sayaka might be ready to fight, but we all know it's a bad idea and afterwards she will too.
Uh. If we're right about Hitomi referring to us possibly taking her arm as revenge, we do not want to angrily imply we had the right to just rip her arm off in the name of justice, rather than as a casualty of combat. Seriously that vote just up and faceplants onto a landmine by saying it's okay to take people's arms as revenge because you're powerful and no one is going to stop you.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
State of Nature.
LucidProp
Pocky Eating MafiaDoka
Again, cussing out a middle schooler is probably not ever the right choice. Believe me, I appreciate the desire for a passionate response, but these are 12-13 year old girls; swearing like a sailor isn't the right way to go.
Yes, and forcing Sayaka to confront that possibility before it happens is preferable to letting it happen and picking up the pieces afterward. Sayaka is a physical sort of girl, and that has the potential to be very dangerous here, especially with new superpowers and a civilian in the room; she needs to be made aware of the possibility that she could accidentally harm someone with her usual displays, now that she's living in a world of cardboard.
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Gadjo
Doka
Look, we can point out that we're outside the law because the law cannot help, but your vote openly says "damn right we had the right to rip her arm off in revenge. Who's gonna stop me? You? All you people can't stay alive for five fucking minutes unless I'm paying attention. Don't you talk to me about having the right."
And you think that's going to endear us to her? Hell, to Sayaka that's as much as cackling, having some grief lightning striking behind us, and declaring ourselves the queen of evil.
(also super important: we didn't blow her arm off out of some twisted sense of justice. it happened as a casualty of combat. we should make that clear.)
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I don't know, we really should have gone over casual super strengh with Sayaka way before now.
Changing for:
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Man, middle schoolers cuss each other out all the time. I know that's when I was learning curses, even if I only really started using them myself around college.
Muramasa
Best Girl
And this is an excellent example of what NOT to do.
Out right snapping at Hitomi and Sayaka. Random mention of gore with little context. The last line makes no sense in any context and is just baffling.
We haven't determined this. Where are you getting a week from?
Admission that we quite nearly killed someone, when Sayaka and Hitomi are still very much viewing this within the confines of law. Also perceivable as an admission that Sabrina would hide the fact that she killed those girls if she had gone through with it. Sabrina sounds very unstable and dangerous here.
Like almost killing someone. This line by itself is probably okay. The tone isn't great. But as it's playing off on the previous lines, it's much more likely for Sayaka and Hitomi (assuming they're not completely put off by Sabs losing it) to come to a significantly more negative conclusion on our actions that night.
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And this commentary critique exactly why we always devolve into long, paragraph driven dialouge that unsuprisingly don't fly well in social situations.
We're emotional and frustrated and are overthinking our response. Is mine the best option? No I think it needs work, which i'll gladly do, but it's to the point. And it doesn't fall apart at the slightest confrontation.
Not particularly enamored with watering things down again. We don't want to be screaming and yelling at them like Aran's vote would have us do, but we do need to say things that are impactful, even extremist. The main thrust of this part of the vote is to exploit the moderating effect on extreme views by presenting an even more extremist viewpoint. Right now Sayaka is contemplating "thinking with her fists": because making physical threats worked so well on Sabrina the first time, she's thinking of doing it again to extract more apologies and/or concessions. By pointing out that her superpowers make violent displays actual death threats on her part, we're shocking her out of that mindset and forcing her to re-evaluate exactly what she's threatening.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I guess 'hit someone' doesn't really work anyway. Changing that back to 'kill someone' and not touching the vote unless there's more discussion, I think. >_>
Except that vote isn't being clear, in exactly the way Hitomi's current one-liner isn't being clear. The reason we're going for longer votes isn't really to "lock in" dialogue; you'll notice that nobody's quoting anything, that there are several if-then clauses to direct possible decision trees, and I've been trying to change @Onmur's phrasing to second-person instead of first or third person (although he's not listening to this one), to further distance the vote text from actual speech. We're outlining topics to discuss and perspectives to take, rather than specific talking points that must be addressed.
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Gadjo
Doka
...so your plan is to go so extreme Sayaka somehow calms down? Cus if we just keep going more extreme we'll only be affirming any doubts she has about our character.
"Hitomi, never attempt to strike a Magical Girl again. I tried to block by reflex; a violent Magical Girl would've gutted you."- @Onmur I reaaaaaally hate this line. It has a time and a place, and it is not at the near breaking point for many of the participants of this conversation. It also carries the implication "don't you ever cross me again. I could break you." which is awful to say to your friend. Like, imagine if you had a super buff friend, and some weak friend of yours got so mad at them they went to slap them. Now imagine your buff friend going "If I weren't your friend, I could have tossed you around like a ragdoll. You could be dead. Don't fuck with people stronger than you.". Don't you think that'd come off just a little hostile?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Maybe? What about how it was before? Only up to "never attempt to strike a magical girl again."?
She's seen both ours and Mami's reactions.
Maybe "don't try that again" or just... nothing?
My plan is to teach Sayaka that, now that she has superpowers, being physically demonstrative like she is is actually, physically dangerous to the people around her. She has to be told that, when she's flailing her arms around, she's not swinging like a 13 year old girl anymore; she's swinging like a wrecking ball. She is now a danger to civilians and threatening to magical girls, and continuing to not moderate her actions is going to get her in trouble down the line.
That might be more to the point. I was trying to segue to how other magical girls have been living like child soldiers for extended periods and are on hair-triggers, but that's much more succinct.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
OK, proposed changes from Beyond sound good to me. Thoughts?
Current vote for comparison: