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More vote ideas would be nice. :V

[X] Lunch? Lunch.
[X] A couple of things you want to talk with Mami:
-[X] First, Oriko's situation: She's depressed, giving up on living, and the confinement is making it worse.
--[X] Maybe you can't lift the house arrest, but letting them out of the house now and then? Under supervision, maybe? It could help. Convicing Sayaka and Homura might be... horribly hard, though.
--[X] On that note, Homura might not believe that Oriko's lost her future sight, so try making a 'Lie Detector' after lunch. Make it in two steps (Grief 'Enchantment Aid' -> Lie Detector).
---[X] If it works, both Mami and yourself try on each other. If it's Witchy, drop it for now.
-[X] Second, about Enchantment: It's easier to make an Enchantment if it's related to oneself's power, right? Should we try to make an Enchantment that controls Grief, or maybe one that cleanses Soul Gems?
--[X] If it's OK, dedicate the time until the picnic to practicing whichever enchantment Mami recommends.

EDIT: Though... if the lie detector thing worked, a Q&A session between Mami and Sabrina could be... interesting.
 
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Kaizuki said:
So, Kuroko is probably dead or dying like now. Given that, and in the absence of calling everything today off for a manhunt that has at least a 50% chance of ending in heartbreak, we do have one fairly attractive option.

Dial Kyouko, and offer her cash to do a bit of detective-work.

I talked about leverage a while ago in an essay in thread, Kyouko clearly values actual money and if we offer her a few hundred bucks off the Yakuza money to go look and a bonus if she actually finds Kuroko... She'll go for it.

We'd probably have to give her a reason why we're not doing it ourselves -- which is actually pretty easy, we've got prior engagements with people who would be curious & upset about us breaking them off and we don't want to rope them into a manhunt that's honestly probably going to end with a dead body.

If she asks how we know Kuroko is a meguca / potential we just drop the precog line, but she may well just accept it.

Currently this is just a suggestion.
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I'm down, but one issue: if Kuroko is still alive, that puts Kyouko at risk for a Witchbomb.
 
So, I've seen it brought up that we should create Chibi's that look like other characters but do you think Mami could do that as well? Or can she just make Mamis?
 
RexHeller said:
So, I've seen it brought up that we should create Chibi's that look like other characters but do you think Mami could do that as well? Or can she just make Mamis?
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Could Mami do less than perfect, or can she only create perfection?

Rex, please.

[Q] Ask Mami to make a Chibi Mami for you to keep.
-[Q] Since it'd be strange to carry Chibi Mami around the streets, keep that Chibi Mami in your Grief Cloud.
 
Firnagzen said:
"Homura killed this girl."[/obiwanvoice]
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Given what this thread would likely vote to do to save.... say Mami? We can hardly get mad at her for going as far as she has for Madoka. Still not healthy... but yeah.

Moemura and Homura share that they both needed .. and need friends.
 
RexHeller said:
So, I've seen it brought up that we should create Chibi's that look like other characters but do you think Mami could do that as well? Or can she just make Mamis?
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It should be trivial to weave dolls that look like other chibis and make them act how she wants. The chibis are just elaborate string-puppets.
 
Slith10 said:
We might need to crush Oriko's unhealthy thinking completely before she can heal, telling her she is loved and should find something better to do hasn't worked.
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Onmur said:
Well, we could try reinforcing the fact that everything she's done for 'The Greater Good' was pretty much evil shit and she sucks?

I mean, at least we'd get her to agree with us. :V Maybe we can work on her from there on.
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Well, there was one prediction that she made back during her "The Greater Good" days that worked out okay. When she was making her little bolthole for herself and Kirika, she prepared for everything. She had food, water, spare clothes, internet, even carpeting. Despite all that, despite preparing for everything, there was one thing she knew she'd never need, something that speaks to exactly what the core of her beliefs truly is.

That thing she didn't buy? A second bed.
 
TheEyes said:
Well, there was one prediction that she made back during her "The Greater Good" days that worked out okay. When she was making her little bolthole for herself and Kirika, she prepared for everything. She had food, water, spare clothes, internet, even carpeting. Despite all that, despite preparing for everything, there was one thing she knew she'd never need, something that speaks to exactly what the core of her beliefs truly is.

That thing she didn't buy? A second bed.
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On the other hand, Oriko's entirely too willing to let Kirika die, if it's with her.

[Q] Go back to Oriko's.
-[Q] If Oriko dies, Kirika dies also.
--[Q] Challenge Oriko to kill Kirika by her own hand, if she truly believes in her own death.
---[Q] This magically solves everything, right?

No really, Oriko gave up back when we beat her not for Kirika's life, but to avoid her being tortured potentially forever.

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Eh, Kuroki Kukiri Kukri, let's just call her knife girl.
 
Kaizuki said:
I talked about leverage a while ago in an essay in thread, Kyouko clearly values actual money and if we offer her a few hundred bucks off the Yakuza money to go look and a bonus if she actually finds Kuroko... She'll go for it.
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I don't think this would work.

1. Kyouko is responsible for Yuma. I don't think she'd leave her behind, and I don't think she'd want to take her, either.
2. This would mean trespassing into Mami's territory. We'd have to give permission before she'd be willing to cross that boundary, and I don't think we want to get into that.
3. Odds of witchbomb are way too high on this one.
 
Onmur said:
On the other hand, Oriko's entirely too willing to let Kirika die, if it's with her.

[Q] Go back to Oriko's.
-[Q] If Oriko dies, Kirika dies also.
--[Q] Challenge Oriko to kill Kirika by her own hand, if she truly believes in her own death.
---[Q] This magically solves everything, right?

No really, Oriko gave up back when we beat her not for Kirika's life, but to avoid her being tortured potentially forever.
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Well, killing Kirika might not be enough. I mean, we know that crushing a Grief Seed doesn't kill a Witch permanently; it only banishes her for a short time, before she pops up somewhere else. Killing a magical girl probably won't get them out of having to serve the rest of eternity in the Incubator's Grief extraction torture pits either; it'll just give her a couple of days/weeks of non-existence before she gets to manifest as a Witch, eventually get taken down by another magical girl, and then given to Kyubey like all the others. She is, after all, under Contract.

Sabrina is literally the only hope that magical girls have at this point of not being tortured literally forever.
 
DB_Explorer said:
The world is too big to save, too many people. One person can not be motivated to save everyone. In the end they are motivated by a small handful of people they want to save. Much like how while a war may be fought for ideals like liberty or democracy (Using WW2 as an example) the solider is not fighting just for those ideals but for what those ideals give his wife, children, parents etc.
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More often, if the soldier's fighting in someone else's country, she's not fighting for liberty or freedom or democracy or whatever else have you, she's fighting for the brothers and sisters in arms she's fighting next to. When there's hot lead being fired by unfriendly people at your personal self, anything more nebulous than the concrete stuff of what's right there with you falls away quick, fast and in a hurry.

If she's on her own soil, she's fighting to keep the enemy, that dirty dog, from doing to her friends and family and comrades what the hunter does to the deer.

Patriotism and esoteric concepts like liberty and democracy are what convince the soldier to join and maybe keep her in the service in the between-times when she's not fighting.

*ahem*

Can we just woman up and kiss Mami already?!
 
Shadows said:
Can we just woman up and kiss Mami already?!
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redzonejoe said:
[] Discard the following: With that absolutely mature and eloquent response under your belt, you march past her, nose held high as you head back home with Mami.
-[] [X] Kiss her you fool
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Onmur said:
[Q] Gather courage.
-[Q] [X] More courage.
--[Q] [X] MORE!
---[Q] [X] When Mami asks what you're doing, interrupt by KISSING HER ON THE CHEEK, TELLING HER YOU LIKE HER AND ASKING IF YOU CAN LIVE WITH HER!!! QUICKLY BEFORE YOU RUN OUT OF COURAGE!
----[Q] ... Shit, everybody in the building heard that, didn't they?
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I think we're majority guys. :V

Brina kissing Mami next update confirmed.

(Grumble maybe if Mami didn't have a plethora of abandonement issues grumble :p )
 
I don't know about you guys, but I think I'm blind to Romantic text/sub-text/anything because I didn't see anything romantic in the update. T'was just two friends having a good time.
 
Hannz said:
I don't know about you guys, but I think I'm blind to Romantic text/sub-text/anything because I didn't see anything romantic in the update. T'was just two friends having a good time.
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Right, Madoka. :rolleyes:

 
AuraTwilight said:
I'm down, but one issue: if Kuroko is still alive, that puts Kyouko at risk for a Witchbomb.
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Only if she happens to find her right at the moment that she's witching out. If she's early then she'll just find a depressed magical girl, and if she's late then she'll just find a witch (and possibly presume that Kuroki got eaten by said witch).

I kinda like the "hiring Kyouko" idea. It gives us an excuse to pay Kyouko money (that she'll accept, unlike charity) so she can stop stealing and squatting all the time. And we really do have too much on our plate to handle everything personally. We can always offer to watch Yuma for her, if that's a sticking point.

EDIT: I forgot about Masami and her crew in West Mitakihara. If we hire them as well, it'll quadruple the number of people searching.

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-[Q] Since it'd be strange to carry Chibi Mami around the streets, keep that Chibi Mami in your Grief Cloud.
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How big are the chibis? Could one fit in a pocket of our coat?

TheEyes said:
I mean, we know that crushing a Grief Seed doesn't kill a Witch permanently; it only banishes her for a short time, before she pops up somewhere else.
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First I've heard of it. You have a source for that claim?

Shadows said:
More often, if the soldier's fighting in someone else's country, she's not fighting for liberty or freedom or democracy or whatever else have you, she's fighting for the brothers and sisters in arms she's fighting next to.
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This. In a military unit with good cohesion, the soldiers' brains will start to subconsciously categorize each other as "family" and act instinctively to protect each other. They won't flee or cower or freeze up because their friends are counting on them. The Power of Friendship is an actual biological fact. :D
 
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Well, killing Kirika might not be enough. I mean, we know that crushing a Grief Seed doesn't kill a Witch permanently; it only banishes her for a short time, before she pops up somewhere else. Killing a magical girl probably won't get them out of having to serve the rest of eternity in the Incubator's Grief extraction torture pits either; it'll just give her a couple of days/weeks of non-existence before she gets to manifest as a Witch, eventually get taken down by another magical girl, and then given to Kyubey like all the others. She is, after all, under Contract.

Sabrina is literally the only hope that magical girls have at this point of not being tortured literally forever.
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I submit we find a way to do some unspeakable things to the Incubators .
After we saved the Meguca.

And for all of you still finding excuses to defend the Incubators as just doing their job and not being objectively moral evil....

Imagine sentient, living beings. Tortured forever mentally, living in the equivalent of the endstage of some violent madness where the world stops making sense , getting killed and revived just to be put through that hell AGAIN AND AGAIN.... and we have enough hints that the witches are still on some level sentient and experiencing JUST that...

Hell. Living hell, no way out, and all for the crime of having been a trusting minor.

Yes, I know , the Incubators are supposedly incapable of feeling emotions.... but they know and recognize what a pain reaction is, or they are not only uncaring, but stupid.
They may not be able to emphatize, but interletually they know that they put the Meguca through eternal pain for temporal gain (the wish) .... and they have the gall of calling
that a fair exchange.

So, monthly scheduled rage against the hivemind out of the way.
Let us returnto discussing ways to woo the Mumi.
 
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We can make the perfect setting for it. Just make a tea party garden with rainbow background within our Barrier... wait.
 
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