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Kaizuki said:
Oh god I told firn we didn't need any more time and he liked my post. Oh god what's going to happen to us. Oh god.
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DB_Explorer said:
[Q] Use grief powers to become catgirl Sabrina
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Now that's an idea that makes sense.

Like, it's not that hard. We can make the cat ears and even a tail if we want with Grief.

EDIT: And if we do it now, we might be able to shock Mami out of her Grief. Excellent plan, Explorer.
 
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I would now find it funny if it turned out Mami loved catgirls so much she would Grief 90% less in the presence of catgirls.

And we'd have to choose between keeping Mami not-spiralling, and our dignity.

Oh, who am I kidding?

Dragontrapper said:
Mami: (On phone) "Homura? I need your help! Something happened to Sabrina and she turned cute! I...hello? Hello?"
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"Nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..." *Brinasads 'cause Mami didn't think she was cute*
 
[:V] I promise on my soul that I won't leave you, Mami. I would do anything for you to be happy.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
You don't understand the distinction between an idea that is intelligently considered and ultimately rejected (and reasoning for rejecting it is provided and explained), and an idea that is basically dismissed or ignored without intelligent consideration or much explanation.

Like recently: Kaizuki was the only one to even respond to my analysis/ideas at all, IIRC. He only addressed a chunk of one sentence of my post, made a criticism that was already addressed in the original post, and didn't make any significant changes to the vote. I made additional comments, further elaborating on my analysis and criticism with the current vote (which included a fairly simple change), but it was again ignored (unless it was responded to more recently and I just missed it?). While I can forgive Kaizuki not feeling up to adequately responding to my initial post because he was really damn tired last night, that doesn't really excuse doing the same thing the next day, nor does it excuse everyone else doing even less than that.

I would think I'd be given better consideration after I basically predicted that insane MG leader's actions during the "negotiations", then came up with the idea for the Mobile Oppression Fortress and the method with which to decisively win the fight without killing or maiming people, being viciously and personally attacked by a number of people in the thread extensively (with very few people even bothering to try and stand against the flaming and hypocrisy) for such "monstrous" and "stupid" ideas, only for things to go to shit exactly like I predicted they would and for the thread to turn around and do exactly what I proposed to do.

When I provide (relatively) detailed analysis--and my reasoning behind it--in good faith (particularly when responding to a vote, plan, or discussion), I don't think it's too much to ask that it be intelligently (as in, not lazily, tiredly, or dismissively) considered and responded to in some detail in return. Otherwise, there's just no point to me even participating or contributing.
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Others have responded, including myself. Even prior to that, we've been mentioning stuff to sonsider without quoting each other. We've thrown out points while just expecting them to be considered without being responded to. Kaizuki isn't the only one with a life here. I don't think anyone here spends the whole day on PMAS and nothing else. I, personally, am trying to actively avoid responding to everything I want to respond to because that's one of the things that got me banned before. Also, your insights are all things we've mentioned, at east in passing, even before you brought the up. You're seeing persecution that isn't there. As a highly paranoid person, I can sympathise, but give people the benefit of the doubt. People aren't beng malicious. Being malicious would require more effort.

Kaizuki said:
Ugo brought up a counterpoint to the proposed edit, which was that it directly contradicts a certain thing we said in the last post.

Now, everyone in the thread can agree on this: FUCK that thing we said.

But. Contradicting ourselves is...

Think about it for a bit. It's just not... The way I want to deal with that fuckup is to get to a stage where we can literally go, "I didn't mean it like that, Mami! I'm not good at social T_T." Contradicting ourselves in this time and place, on the other hand, carries a large amount of potential risk. It tarnishes our trust-armor, so to speak.

And it doesn't carry a significant benefit in exchange -- not one that can't be created later in a more stable manner.

That's my thoughts.
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How's this:

"While I wanted and hoped to be friends, it's not something I knew like the memories I woke up with. All I knew was that you were the type of person I wanted to be friends with."
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Like recently: Kaizuki was the only one to even respond to my analysis/ideas at all, IIRC.
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Salty, I didn't reply to this earlier because I'd been awake more than 22 hours at the time and if I'd tried to I might have said something I'd regret. I'll reply to it now.

I'm new here and I don't know what's happened in the past, but believe me when I say that I can emphasize with feeling like you're being ignored. I felt that way during the last vote vote, only to have my concerns prove true in the update.

However...

Scrolling back a few pages, I see two posts where you raised issues, one where you said that Mami needs reassurance and one where you said the first thing we say shouldn't be about her Soul Gem.

The latter was a misunderstanding on your part, as that was an if/then contingency rather than our opening line of dialogue; someone else had already corrected your misunderstanding, so there was nothing more to say.

The former was something that I actually agreed strongly with. So much so that I had already said it, like a day ago. It was already a key factor in the vote we were crafting. There really wasn't anything more to say in response to that, either. And when Kaizuki and you were arguing about it, I was too busy having a really fucking awful day to post anything.

So no, you are not being ignored. You just didn't say anything that I felt required me to respond to.
 
Only an event of this weight has pulled me out from over a year's worth of lurking on this thread, or actually just around the forum in general besides maybe half a dozen other posts on SV ever. Or something like that, anyway. I assumed that nobody would actually give weight to my sudden musings at such a crucial junction as I am a mostly unknown factor, so haven't tried to partake in scrutinizing suggested votes or refining existing ones. I at least wanted to try and help by sharing my own outlines for a vote, which I did in my previous post. Sorry if that was inadequate.

This post feels overly dramatic, but is genuinely my expectation. My past experiences online with questing/storytelling/writing have reinforced this belief. I'm partially bringing it up to see where I stand in the hopes of maybe becoming a more active part of the thread, and partially because I think some people might appreciate this perspective if my assumption is wrong. I would like to see if I can become a useful asset around here, as I quite like this quest. Of course, I'll just go back to lurking if that would be preferred.

That aside, I'm also posting to actually vote!~

The current supervotething held by Kaizuki contains almost the whole message I think should be conveyed, and with minimal bloat. The only criticisms I can think of are that first, perhaps reassuring Mami that Sabrina genuinely cares (in whatever indeterminable way) for her should be in the first sentence or two spoken.

And second, that for all this was meant to be about Sabrina's fore/metaknowledge, I don't think Sabrina's motives have been touched on, how this knowledge pushed her to rescue people from horrible things, rather than just providing a means to use them for some unknown scheme. Even a single sentence referencing the oncoming slew of disasters drops a lifeline, a glimmer of some redeeming quality to this deception. "I've seen so many terrible things that would happen if I didn't get involved," can be supported by other parts of the conversation/vote as an example, and now there is little question of why Sabrina initiately involved herself. She stayed because of well established innate desire to help, unstated but hopefully an observation Mami still considers accurate, coupled with powerful relationships that were and are desired but weren't assured to happen, as is being explained. Thus a nearly complete picture for Mami.

All that is pretty much all I've had to add since my last post.

... Anyway.

[x] Kaizuki
 
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Taji Kitsune said:
And second, that for all this was meant to be about Sabrina's fore/metaknowledge, I don't think Sabrina's motives have been touched on, how this knowledge pushed her to rescue people from horrible things, rather than just providing a means to use them for some unknown scheme.
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This conversation isn't even close to over. I think that there's definitely an intent that we will explain ourselves to Mami in detail in the votes to follow. But right now she's too upset to hear or accept anything of the sort. This vote is entirely about stabilizing Mami and calming her down enough that she's even capable of hearing us out.

I also have my doubts how well she'll respond to any claims that our actions were for "the greater good" in her current state. She's feeling personally betrayed, rather than ideologically betrayed. Again, I think that when she's more stable and calm she might be better able to accept such an explanation.
 
[Q] Once Mami's calmed down...
-[Q] RIP FREE FROM YOUR BINDINGS!
--[Q] MAKE GRIEF RIBBONS!
---[Q] RIBBON BOTH YOURSELF AND MAMI TOGETHER IN A NICE MEGUCA COCOON!
----[Q] MAKE SURE YOU'RE SNUGGLING COMFORTABLY.
-----[Q] Now shhh... go to sleep.
 
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I'm not even sure who to vote for here..
*Sigh* This situations just too delicate to take anything to chance. We don't even know what might set Mami off worse, what Sabrina should and shouldn't actually say, freakin phrasing...

Gah! Where's Team Social when you need them!?

Ugh, changing to

[X]Null

not till someone's vote(or someone else convinces me of someone's vote), could be the best option right now..
 
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