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If you're looking for solutions, look at Sayaka. Rather, work out how burning her house down saved her from Feathers.

And like I'm pretty sure I've said before, it's not the change of location or whether or not she made a wish(and what that wish was) that's important, but rather how she's changed as a person.

Homura also commented that she's no longer a threat, which might be important :V

Anyways, I'm of the opinion that it's not buried suicidal tendencies or depression or whatever causing her to see her death, but rather that who she is right now won't survive. She very obviously wants to live, it's just that, if I'm right, her visions have a serious flaw in them she either doesn't know about or has failed to take into account. I still believe that if it's pointed out (and maybe verified, a bit more on that later), it'd give her something concrete to go off of and progress could be made.


Needs to be cleaned up, etc.

[] Oriko, remember when we were working on enchantment, and you kept trying to foresee how to do it and getting nowhere, and how you only started making progress when you actively started working on it? I'm willing to bet that, if you tried to use your foresight now, you'd get up to however far you'd gotten before you started seeing nothing but failures again.
-[] My hypothesis is that your visions only show you the future relative to "you" at the point in time where you have them(alt wording: Your visions cannot account for how you might change in the future, and can only show your future relative to the current you). When you see nothing but death in your future, regardless of external actions on your part, it means that the change has to come from within.

Can probably branch off into an actual experiment (done on her time, entirely off camera!) to test the veracity of the hypothesis, even just having her continue her work on enchantment would work if something faster isn't thought up.



Feel free to disregard the next one entirely, it's awful and off topic but I feel like flinging it out on a whim~

[] Oh, and by the way? "I want to be someone useful to Oriko! I want to help her whenever I can, and I don't want to ever have to stop!" is a much better wish than "I want to be someone Oriko would like", which is what I'd initially assumed was the wish you'd made.
-[] Hmm? Oh, that's the wish Kirika made in previous loops. Different power set and left her seriously unstable at times. Kyubey usually goes for her before giving you your wish, you see; this time was different because it got distracted by a badly mangled white-haired girl with absurd potential popping up in an alleyway. Funny how these things work out, isn't it? When I said you can be even better than you were in previous loops, I wasn't talking about just you.
 
Honestly, maybe we should think outside the box?

What we've been doing so far is obviously not working. She's bull headedly convinced she's doomed regardless of what we do.

Maybe we can just give her happy drugs and try talking to her again? Just talking on its own doesn't work and it feels like we've used like a fourth of this quest/story on talking to her. You guys don't want to give up on her. So maybe give her some anti-depressants to get her in a better mood and try talking again? Or grab a psychologist, explain the full situation and point him or her at Oriko?
 
Several days of figuring things out waiting, and that is what is happens. Wonderful.:V

Should have known that speech and so many words wouldn't have worked.

I think we should just shut for a bit and listen. Or try an entirely different approach, because this isn't really working.
 
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So, how about we go with that?

Oriko's meaning has changed. Her Wish was for her to find her meaning, but it was made under duress.

I don't believe she'll find her current meaning to her life through her powers. It might very well be impossible to do so that way.

[X] If Oriko really wants us to go, we'll leave, but not before saying one more thing:
-[X] People change. Oriko's changed. There is no one meaning to her. Not one single meaning for her whole life. She conceded she might be wrong about the answer she found; so will we concede we might be wrong in denying she had found her meaning. But Oriko has been trying to do better, she's changing and thus, she's gaining new meaning, new value to her own life.
-[X] Her Wish shows her a way. Not the way, just one way amongst thousands of branching paths for the Oriko of eleven days ago to travel.
-[X] The Oriko of back then and right now are different. If Oriko wants to find her own meaning, she should do it with her own mind and thoughts. Trying to do it through her Wish might very well set her back.
[X] Now, we'll be leaving if she so desires.
 
Onmur said:
So, how about we go with that?

Oriko's meaning has changed. Her Wish was for her to find her meaning, but it was made under duress.

I don't believe she'll find her current meaning to her life through her powers. It might very well be impossible to do so that way.

[X] If Oriko really wants us to go, we'll leave, but not before saying one more thing:
-[X] People change. Oriko's changed. There is no one meaning to her. Not one single meaning for her whole life. She conceded she might be wrong about the answer she found; so will we concede we might be wrong in denying she had found her meaning. But Oriko has been trying to do better, she's changing and thus, she's gaining new meaning, new value to her own life.
-[X] Her Wish shows her a way. Not the way, just one way amongst thousands of branching paths for the Oriko of eleven days ago to travel.
-[X] The Oriko of back then and right now are different. If Oriko wants to find her own meaning, she should do it with her own mind and thoughts. Trying to do it through her Wish might very well set her back.
[X] Now, we'll be leaving if she so desires.
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So, more lecturing and meaningless platitudes? And leaving... feels like mistake. I don't know what to do.
 
Take a break. Reassure Kirika. Cleanse. Check the time. Do away with the maid outfit as that didn't really work out. Have a chat with Mumi.

...And Oriko pretty much said we don't have a solution to feathers.

Maybe we should concentrate on that?
 
Muramasa said:
:confused: Drugs is not the answer.
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Actually why the hell not? Get a fucking doctor involved to get a proper prescription. It's certainly better than allowing her to suicide.

Talking doesn't work. She doesn't want or can't see alternatives with her current mentality. Her current mentality doesn't allow us to alter her mentality by talking to her.
 
Beyogi said:
Actually why the hell not? Get a fucking doctor involved to get a proper prescription. It's certainly better than allowing her to suicide.

Talking doesn't work. She doesn't want or can't see alternatives with her current mentality. Her current mentality doesn't allow us to alter her mentality by talking to her.
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Her current mentality isn't a result of a chemical imbalance in her brain, it's a result of reality being what it is. You might as well prescribe drugs to someone on the Titanic for thinking the boat is sinking.
 
OK, OK, something more like...?

[X] Apologize. You've been stepping out of line.
-[X] Dismiss the Maid Outfit.
[X] You'd rather not leave on this note. If you could stay a while, just to hang out? You'd like to chat with Kirika at least.
-[X] If yes: You don't actually know each other very well, so... what's Kirika's favourite food? Movie? Book? Chat about inane stuff like that.
-[X] If no: Say one more thing before leaving: Oriko is changing, for the better. You believe her Wish might have helped her get this far, but no further; the meaning her Wish gave her was for the Oriko of eleven days ago, not the one of today, the one who's trying to do things the right way.

It's trying that matters...
 
[X] Cleanse their soul gems.
[X] Just sit there and stew for a bit. Telepath Kirika. If there's anything that she needs to say, this would be a very good time.
[X] When she's done and if there is nothing else to talk about...
-[X] She had once said that it had felt "right". Like almost as if this needs to happen. Why?
--[X] It can't be just because of the visions. Because those have been fallible multiple times.
---[X] So, why? Why does she feel that way?

I'm sick of talking. But if we don't say or ask something, Oriko will probably just sit there and glare silently.:V
 
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Cue the Kirikas arguing over having Oriko for themselves, complete with tug-of-war on Oriko. :V
 
Agent Whiskers said:
[X] Cleanse their soul gems.
[X] Just sit there and stew for a bit.
[X] She had once said that it had felt "right". Like almost as if this needs to happen. Why?
-[X] It can't be just because of the visions. Because those have been fallible multiple times.
[X] So, why? Why does she feel that way?

I'm sick of talking. But if we don't say or ask something, Oriko will probably just sit there and glare silently.:V
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Supposedly, its because all the other times she had a way of getting out. This time, she can't see one. Then again, she has a bit of an issue with blind faith in her visions.
 
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