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How do you expect us to teach her anything if we're afraid of how she reacts to failure?
By handling teaching and cooperation in such a way as not to probably mash her trauma buttons while still making her feel included.
That means cooperating on enchantment later when we've built up her confidence more with witch hunts, playing meguca UN and stuff- and stressing that it's a thing lots of gucas- including us- struggle with.
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And bringing her to the enchantment lessons would be traumatic how...?
What better way to show her that "yes, this is hard, no, it's not just you" than by showing her that Sabrina and Homura, two very powerful, experienced meguca, suck at it too?
And in any case, we'd be facing these exact same problems during the planned training session tonight.
Perfectionist tendencies. Sayaka is going to get nowhere- and isn't going to take that well.
Because she's going to screw up too, and plenty? No one is going to benefit from her being there in timestop, let alone Sayaka herself.
Not really. We'd let her take the lead and basically make sure she feels like she's contributing. It's controlled circumstances doing something that she'd feel matters- and easier to make her feel like she's accomplishing something in training and a Witch hunt than blowing up rock after rock with nothing to show for it.
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"Wait a minute, you've only been a magical girl for like...a week! LESS!"
"OH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THE TIME YOU SHOULD REALLY BE GETTING HOME OK I'LL BE LEAVING NOW"
*Whistles innocently and flies off*
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And? Some things are hard, and require practice. That's a fact of life.
Yea, it's called learning.
She gets practice in an important area and gets to spend time with the other Mitikahara meguca.
Are you seriously suggesting we just humor her? Give her easy stuff on purpose to fake a sense of accomplishment? The point of training is to get better. You won't make any progress by avoiding hard things.
It's been more than a week, actually, but still. More experienced than Sayaka.
It's called not pressing Sayaka's trauma buttons and feeling of inadequacy. She's a rookie right now, and needs support, training, and to be built up emotionally, not to be tossed in the deep end. Especially because Sayaka tends to overreact and end up in a spiral of negativity.
Besides, enchantment? Is a sideshow for everyone but us. Giving her a cause she can get behind- fighting Witches and malicious magical girls, helping others- and teaching her how to do that will do far more for everyone including us than hitting her trauma buttons right off the bat by giving her a task even WE can't pull off.
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Gadjo
Doka
Cap, the point you appear to be missing is that she has a serious problem with failure. She feels useless. She does not need to try something that we can't even manage on day one. She will fail constantly and feel like shit. Let's build her up first. No enchantment for blueberry today.
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Enchanting isn't really the point. She's going to face the possibility of failure no matter what she does. Coddling her because we're too afraid to put her in a situation that she might not instantly succeed at will accomplish nothing. How is she going to learn to use her powers if we won't let her fail? How is she going to become a better fighter if we won't let her fail? I don't know about you, but I'm sure as hell not comfortable sending an untrained rookie into a combat situation against an eldritch horror, even with backup. And no, Sabrina doesn't count.
AuraTwilight
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She can atleast fail at things she's not BOUND to fail, Jesus Christ. She doesn't need to do enchanting right now, she needs to focus on figuring out what she can do at ALL, period, as a baseline. We don't even know how her wish has manifested yet.
Fucking chill.
Fucking chill.
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Again, enchanting isn't the point.
Again, how do you expect her to learn anything if you won't let her fail?
AuraTwilight
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It's called letting her fail in controlled conditions that aren't setting her up for failure as a given. Sabrina, of all people, is struggling with enchantment. Why would we force Sayaka into that situation on her first day?
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For the third time, enchanting isn't the point.
Muramasa
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More importantly why are you advocating throwing Sayaka into a situation that's guaranteed failure for her first time as a magical girl?
....Yeah, no, enchantment is irrelevant and is just going to tear her down. It's the definition of an unhelpful approach to a new meguca.
Building Sayaka up by teaching her how to fight and Meguca 101 is sensible, wheras that is not- and frankly after training a Witch or familiar fight at some point would be just fine and let her feel like she's making a difference.
Then you're doing the point wrong.
That's actually useful on two fronts- Mami's bound to have good ideas, and she gets to feel like she's helping Sayaka. A win-win.
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Gadjo
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The point is to start her off with stuff she should be able to do, rather than pretty much making sure she fails her first task. I see where you going with this training idea: knock her down a peg teach her humility etc
but she does not need those things right now. She needs to succeed at something and get confident again. If we throw her into a Kobayashi Maru situation right off the bat it'll just make her feel useless, which is why she knowingly sold her soul. It's a terrible idea to push on that and I can't support it.
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For the fourth time, enchanting isn't the point. But fine.
Firstly, enchanting practice is also magic control practice, which can only be useful.
Secondly, enchanting itself will almost certainly be useful for her.
Thirdly, what makes you think she'll have any more success at anything else?
Fourthly, not teaching her something just because it's hard is a horrible habit to start.
Fifthly, I'd rather her have a realistic opinion of her skills and live than be arrogant and dead.
Sixthly, we haven't even picked a time for the enchanting lesson anyway. Whether it comes before or after tonight's training makes little difference.
Also given Sayaka's insecure and uncertain and even when hyper is basically putting up a front- and her spirals are caused by regretting her wish and she has more than enough reasons to do that? You could argue that setting her up to fail is actively dangerous to her.
1. Enchantment is a sideshow as far as magic practice and control does. Completely different approach and skills.
2.Not especially. The only reason WE need it is we're routinely pushing the envelope for powers and have very specific magic in mind. Day to day, it's relatively useless.
3.Because the blueberry isn't incompetent, she just got screwed on potential and didn't have good teachers except in TDS.
4. Who said a habit or that we'd put it off forever? If we don't teach her relatively useless and esoteric skills right off the bat in favor of giving her a pep talk and meguca 101 while building her up and helping her be the hero she wants to be? I would be okay with that.
5. Her having a "realistic" view is her feeling useless and then dead because Sayaka has an inferiority complex, no real selfworth under the bluster, and already has plenty of reasons to worry and feel useless without us actively making things worse.
What you want would be a failure at our role as a mentor and guide for Sayaka and as her friend.
...No. Just...no.
1. Enchantment is a sideshow as far as magic practice and control does. Completely different approach and skills.
2.Not especially. The only reason WE need it is we're routinely pushing the envelope for powers and have very specific magic in mind. Day to day, it's relatively useless.
3.Because the blueberry isn't incompetent, she just got screwed on potential and didn't have good teachers except in TDS.
4. Who said a habit or that we'd put it off forever? If we don't teach her relatively useless and esoteric skills right off the bat in favor of giving her a pep talk and meguca 101 while building her up and helping her be the hero she wants to be? I would be okay with that.
5. Her having a "realistic" view is her feeling useless and then dead because Sayaka has an inferiority complex, no real selfworth under the bluster, and already has plenty of reasons to worry and feel useless without us actively making things worse.
What you want would be a failure at our role as a mentor and guide for Sayaka and as her friend.
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Gadjo
Doka
The fact that the rest seems to come fairly naturally like it did to us but enchanting takes loads of practice?
she won't have a realistic opinion of herself Cap. She has serious issues with being useful. If we set her first task as a failure she'll respond with despair and anger. She needs a boost right now. You're suggesting knocking her down a peg and that is frankly dumb when she's already almost on the floor.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Soonest begun, soonest done?
The thing that everybody is piling on now is that this guy wants to do this right now. Today. This is not the case. This is a hypothetical training time in Homura-stop to learn enchantment without paying for it time wise, because it's hard to be interrupted in the span between seconds.
There is no suggestion to grab Sayaka right this instant and do this thing, just that when we finally get around to it, maybe we can get her in on the lessons too because it's a useful thing to know for your average Meguca, which she is.
So you can all stop yelling at each other for misinterpreting when you each happen to be talking about?
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Or am I just assuming that the problem is the same as last argument because I want it to be that easy?
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Gadjo
Doka
Ehhh it's not "it's too much time" It's Sayaka won't be in a good place to handle us setting her up to fail on purpose for a few days at least. We teach her stuff like how to not die in a fight first, and how to use her magic. These things are instinctual to meguca and should come easily enough, acting as a confidence booster.