"So they agreed not to talk to Madoka, right?"
Think more "And you trusted them?"
I'm not sure what you think I'm proposing, but electromagnetic radiation is electromagnetic radiation, it's not going to vanish after 100 metres any more than the rosebushes repaired themselves after we left.
Um, so you're gonna have us lug around a giant source of radiation? Because low level radiation that doesn't kill people probably wouldn't be that great for energy generation.
Ours certainly hasn't. Actually understanding what's going on seems to help.
Yeah, notice how we had knowledge of every little piece of what our agreement with Kyubey would be like from OOC that we never would have known otherwise? We wouldn't have that with the proposed situation. I'm all against this plan, and I think it would be ruinous.
 
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Think more "And you trusted them?"
I'm pretty sure Homura knows what the Incubators think about lying, or she wouldn't have listened to it about Madoka's potential (or anything else).
Um, so you're gonna have us lug around a giant source of radiation? Because low level radiation that doesn't kill people probably wouldn't be that great for energy generation.
Electromagnetic radiation = light, the kind of radiation that causes radiation poisoning is ionising radiation.
Yeah, notice how we had knowledge of every little piece of what our agreement with Kyubey from OOC that we never would have known otherwise? We wouldn't have that with the proposed situation. I'm all against this plan, and I think it would be ruinous.
Contrary to what you might have experienced, it is possible to make deals in a different form than the boilerplate terms and conditions that magical girl contracts take. For example, we could negotiate and decide some of the terms ourselves.
 
Electromagnetic radiation = light, the kind of radiation that causes radiation poisoning is ionising radiation.

I'm pretty sure Homura knows what the Incubators think about lying, or she wouldn't have listened to it about Madoka's potential (or anything else).
The incubators don't lie. This does not make them trustworthy and she knows that more than anyone.
Contrary to what you might have experienced, it is possible to make deals in a different form than the boilerplate terms and conditions that magical girl contracts take. For example, we could negotiate and decide some of the terms ourselves.
And we would be negotiating with a diplomancing mass murderer. I am of the opinion that it's a terrible idea.
Very incomplete assertion. Light is a form of EM radiation, yes, but it is not the only kind.
Yeahhhhh Gamma rays are EM too. Which is why I thought you meant that.

Also, a solar generator skelm? Those... have never generated much energy in comparison to other fuels.
 
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Why do you think they don't currently just kidnap magical girls and lock them in boxes until they witch?

We literally spontaneously generate the stuff it uses for power. How are we not currently a power source? Why do you think it hasn't already kidnapped us?

Most people assume that they would find that ethically distasteful. I don't. They've said that they find emotional fluctuation more efficient than simple plummeting into despair. So, allowing their prey to have lives more complicated than simply locking them up would provide is more efficient to them. Anyway, we're currently an inconvenient powersource. Griefseeds can't die or decide to stop generating energy.




We don't need to be either. The Incubators explicitly lack magic, so there's nothing they can do to stop us from floating around in a 100 metre radius sphere of death. They can make us lose, but they can't win and frankly I'm not sure they can even do that much, our connection to Madoka isn't more tenuous than Homura's.

They explicitly found a much larger witch capable of destroying entire planets to be completely non-threatening. If he had a sense of humour, he'd laugh at that. They also have access to all the grief produced by every grief seed ever. He'd just zap us with a beam they use when they want to blow up a galactic supercluster. Or use their hax technology to turn us into a mindslave. Or build one of their hax walls that prevents us from affecting the world outside our soul gem. Or who knows what else. Don't underestimate the Incubators. their technology is ridiculous.

Remember that we're supposed to be able to beat Feathers.

You mean the thing probably far less powerful than the Incubators?


It cannot possibly take any significant amount of energy to stop humans from going extinct, especially when compared to the ridiculous numbers being thrown around as lower bounds. The only possible reason not to do that is because they don't need the grief.

Again, they get it from every previous grief seed. Also, humans only have to go extinct once, unexpectedly. With an infinite amount of time, that's guaranteed. Putting effort into stopping something that is likely to happen anyway isn't efficient. You're forgetting to acount for risk in your equations. Also, they have other species they collect from.

And again, even if that's not the case, it still means there's some amount of energy they would take to stop making trouble for us and we still have no reason to believe we can't make that much in laser beam form and shoot it into a portal.

No. You still don't get it. If we offered the Incubators two hundred octillion times (the amount of energy of their quota for Earth, plus all the energy they've ever previously collected in the Universe, plus all the energy in the Universe right now) every nanosecond, they would put all their effort into finding a way to screw us over to get two hundred octillion and one times. More is always better. No matter how much we give them, they'll put all their effort into getting a microscopic amount more.

I think this is relevant...

Also
[q]start swimming in wrong direction
-[q]flip off QB as you disintegrate

Thanks. I was actually thinking of that.

Electromagnetic radiation = light, the kind of radiation that causes radiation poisoning is ionising radiation.

UV, X-rays, gamma rays, microwaves and infrared are all electromagnetic radiation and dangerous in high quantities. In fact, ordinary visible light is dangerous in high quantities.

Contrary to what you might have experienced, it is possible to make deals in a different form than the boilerplate terms and conditions that magical girl contracts take. For example, we could negotiate and decide some of the terms ourselves.


He'll still work around them no matter what we say. He's very creative with interpretation. And he puts all his effort into getting around stuff like that. You can't trap him like that. He's too clever.
 
Isn't Rebellion basically proof that Kyubey is ethically okay with kidnapping?
Incubator ethics and morals pretty much amount to whatever gives them the most amount of energy.

It just so happens that magic and emotions and other bullshit makes it so what currently generates most amount of energy is giving little girls super powers and having them into trying to live a normal life intersped with deadly fighting.

When Incubators figured the chance at getting that sweet energy bonus was more important than the possibility Homura was delusional, kidnapping Homura suddenly became more profitable than making her generate Grief the normal way, and thus, morally correct.
 
Residue processing pt. 40
First things first, then, you need something disposable you can afford to break. Multiple somethings. Hmmm...

"Oriko? Can I grab some of the pebbles?" you indicate the polished rocks lining the rosebeds. "I'm... well, we're quite likely to break a fair number of them."

The silver haired girl indicates the rocks with a regal, 'go ahead' gesture, and a flick of attention and sliver of Grief scoops up a round dozen, dropping with a clatter to the table.

You grab one. It's cool and smooth to the touch, and you balance it on the flat of your palm, displaying it to Oriko and Kirika. "Alright," you say. "So enchantment. It's as... simple... as channeling magic into an object with the intent to do something. There's a... way of twisting the magic that Japanese isn't really adequate for explaining, or even any human language, and I haven't really mastered it yet."

"If it's simple, then how come you haven't mastered it yet?" Kirika asks. There's no malice in her tone. Just curiosity in the birdlike tilt of her head.

"Simple isn't the same as easy," you say with a shrug. "Lifting a car engine is simple. But it's not easy.' You pause for a moment. "For a non magical girl, I mean."

"OK, that makes sense," Kirika says, nodding rapidly and swiping a rock from the table to bounce in her hand. "So how do we do it?"

"Well... I was thinking that I'd show you how it works, first. And then we can all practice and try and get it?" you say, glancing at Oriko. "Just a general idea first, to see roughly which way to go?"

The seer looks dubious, but nods slowly.

"Alright, so... I'm going to try and put a barrier shield on the rock," you say.

You take a breath and reach for that feeling, that wellspring of power, and the memory of how Mami did it. You've practiced this. Not to any great success, but you have. Magic trickles up your fingers, the sensation almost like a warm blush rising underneath your skin, before it bubbles into the rock at your focus.

You try to shape the magic. You try to bring to mind how Mami did it, and you try to imitate it. The magic twists like this and then curls this wa-

Crack.

You scowl at the shattered rock in annoyance, and drop the shards to the table. "... well, yeah," you say. "That's what happens when you do it wrong. Haven't gotten it right yet, though." You dust your hands off, and pick up one of the three fragments instead.

"Cool! Lemme try," Kirika says, assuming an expression of great concentration as she stares down at the rock. "Hnnnnnngh."

Oriko's eyes widen a hair, and she smacks Kirika's hand lightly. "No."

Kirika makes a confused face. "No?"

"No," Oriko repeats.

"Oh," Kirika says sadly.

"Too much," the seer says tartly.

"Ohh," Kirika says, nodding. "What if-"

Oriko shakes her head.

Another pout.

You tilt your head, eyeing the pair. "Yeaaah," you say. "Control's the tricky part of this. Which is sadly my worst part."

Oriko nods, pushing through the pile of rocks and selecting one for herself. "Control," she murmurs to herself, frowning at the rock. She continues to frown at it for a minute, without actually doing anything - but you can feel her Soul Gem, now in Kirika's pocket, start to fill with Grief.

You take a moment to consider her Soul Gem - still the same, defitionally non-Euclidean inversion on itself. It's not... grinding on itself, per se, merely twisting itself into a tighter and tighter wound knot.

"Oriko?" you ask.

"I'm trying to determine the best way to do this," she says.

"Right," you say. "I'm just going to try, OK?"

Oriko shrugs. "Go ahead, Kirika."

The black haired girl, mouth half open to ask, blinks and grins, holding up her rock.

Magic flares, and the rock crumbles.

"... Oh," Kirika says, shoulders drooping and voice sounding utterly woebegone as she looks down at the sand sifting through her fingers. "Oh."

Oriko replaces her rock on the table with a quiet plunk and pats Kirika on the shoulder reassuringly.

"Sabrina?" Mami's voice intrudes on your head.

"Hey, Mami," you say as you refocus your attention on the shard of rock in your hand. "How are you?"

"Ah... I'm doing OK," Mami says. "I was wondering about you..."

You find yourself smiling, some of the pent up stress and tension relaxing from you. It's not a hug, but it's nice to hear Mami's voice. "I'm OK, Mami. I'm sorry for worrying you."

"Don't be silly," Mami says. You can hear the warm smile lighting up her face.

"Mmm," you say, not really agreeing or disagreeing.

"What are you doing?" she asks. "Um... If you're not too busy to tell me."

"No, I always have time for you," you say, smiling. You let magic seep gently into the stone fragment on your palm, trying to keep it slow and controlled. "I'm practising enchantment right now, trying to see if I can replicate the anti-pain ring."

"Ah, sorry," Mami says. "We never did find the time to practice it."

Crack. That would be your rock shattering. You grimace, and drop the fragments to the table.

"If anything, it's my fault," you say, poking the broken shards around. "I keep tripping over... well, everything."

"You wouldn't be you if you didn't, Sabrina," Mami says softly.

"That doesn't make it good," you counter, choosing the largest remaining shard and trying to channel magic into it again.

"I... Sabrina?" Mami says, voice worried. "I... don't want to argue with you."

You sigh. "OK." Magic ripples from your fingers, seeping slowly into the rock, and- crack. "Ugh," you grunt under your breath, dropping the splinters to the table.

You sift through the remains in annoyance for a moment. "Mami? I'm not mad at you or anything."

"A-alright," Mami says. "Um... How's the enchantment going?"

"Not terribly well," you admit, absently checking on Kirika and Oriko. The black haired girl has reduced another two stones to fragments, whereas... Oriko's still staring at her rock. You take a moment to cleanse all of your Soul Gems. "I do wish I could have gotten your help."

"I'd be glad to," Mami says. "When we can?"

"Yeah," you agree, smiling as you pick up yet another shard.

"Alright... I'll see you at lunch?" Mami asks. You can hear faint relief and warmth in her voice.

"Yeah. Of course, Mami," you say. "See you soon."

"See you," Mami says, and ends the connection.

You exhale slowly, finding yourself still smiling. Kirika looks up to catch your eye and grin, the smirk threatening to split her face in two.

You raise your eyebrow at her, but the grin doesn't abate. If anything, it widens.

You shake your head, though the smile remains on your face. "Anyway... I'm going to try and make something else, OK?" you inform Oriko and Kirika. "Gonna be Witchy again."

Then again, the two of them are dealing with the rather Witchy pain blocking ring just fine, aren't they? Still best to warn them, you figure, reaching out and pulling with your mind.

Oriko nods, whereas Kirika gives you a thumbs up, dusting off the remains of try number... you're not even sure. You lost count somewhere. "Cool," she says. "Whatcha making?"

"An enhancer for control. I hope," you say, holding out your hand just in time for a Grief sphere to smack into it.

"Oooh," Kirika says brightly. "That sounds like a good idea."

"Well yes, I thought so too," you say, focusing on the Grief. Enhancement of enchantment control... Heh. Alliterative. Hm. You bear down on the Grief with your will, twisting and prodding and mouldin-

-and it's done. A gleaming steel bracelet sits innnocuously in your palm, humming faintly in your senses.

"Shiny," Kirika observes.

"Yep," you agree. It always feels so easy, you muse as you slip the bracelet on. "How long did that take me?"

"A few minutes," Oriko says.

"Hmm," you say, filing that thought away for later and flexing your fingers. It doesn't feel any different, so... Testing time! You snag a fresh rock from the table, holding it flat on your palm, and start to pour magic into it again.

Right away, you notice the Grief, tiny slivers of it wicking away and intermingling with the silvery fire of your magic. Nearly imperceptible, but... They're there. Your lips curl in annoyance, but you force yourself to stay the course.

"It doesn't hold," Oriko notes quietly, eyeing the rock in your hand.

"Hrrrm," you say, magic still seeping into the rock. Finally, you... stop. It feels like the right place to stop, as if you're tying off a knot in the magic.

You blink at the rock. It looks normal to your senses, but it... resonates in your senses, a miniature, crackling silver storm. Not too different from how it felt when Mami did it.

"Cooooool," Kirika says, ogling the rock. She reaches across the table and snags the rock, tossing it from hand to hand.

"... Huh," you say. "Smack it with a rock or something? It's supposed to be a defensive barrier."

"Sure," Kirika says cheerfully, grabbing another rock and bringing it down on the glowing barrier. It bounces off with a resounding chime and flash of light. "Cooooool."

"It doesn't hold, though," Oriko murmurs, watching as Kirika smacks the enchanted stone again with another rock - the black haired girl seems to take an extraordinary amount of delight in the chiming noise. "When you leave the area."

"Well, damn," you mutter. Just to confirm, you reach for the faint specks of Grief drifting within the enchantment, and extract those with a thought.

The magic collapses, and Kirika's next blow with the rock ends with a dismal, clacking noise of stone on stone. "Awww," she pouts.

"Hrrrm," you grumble. You'd... sort of expected this, to be honest. It's not like Science! isn't useful, but... it seems like effects touched by Grief remains touched by Grief. With one exception that you've found so far - moving that rosebush. Which is still uprooted. It's right over there, leaves slowly withering. "No shortcuts, it seems."

Oriko shrugs, looking faintly annoyed.

"Alright, then," you say with a sigh. "We do it the hard way, then."

The seer nods, starting to turn that rock over and over slowly in her hand, still eyeing it slowly. Tentatively, she channels a little magic into it, but pulls back quickly, shaking her head.

You sigh, returning your focus to a new rock. Your mind wanders as you work, vaguely wondering about setting up a website for meguca. You could probably make a server out of Grief, though goodness knows how that would work. And a magic wifi connection.

Hah. You could get Megane to be a moderator.

Then again, maybe you could make moderators of your own out of Grief. But that'd require intelligence, probably maybe. Which... suggests that you'd need Familiars of some kind. Which is an old, old topic. You're not a Witch. Totally. You're pretty sure. You swear.

Which does rather lead you to the whole Grief problem, doesn't it? You kind of want to find a way to dispose of Grief without Kyuubey being involved. Cut it out of the loop entirely. On the other hand, it is harmless-ish, at least on that aspect - it wants Grief, pure and simple. And there are more important things to handle before you can get to it, like hopefully working out enchantment and de-Witching and spending time with your friends.

Time passes slowly, with another call from Mami but without much success - by the time it's eleven thirty, none of you have made much success at all.

Kirika's looking increasingly disappointed and bored, sorting through a large pile of rock flakes, whereas Oriko's still spending most of her time just staring at her own rock. She's still on her first one.

You've gone through a fair number yourself.

Tsk.

You tilt your head back, staring at a lone cloud drifting through the clear blue sky, musing. It's about time to go for lunch now, which means... you glance sidelong at Oriko.

"Yes?" the seer asks quietly.

[] Write-in

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Midterms are still ongoing, but have an update. Written entirely during my daily commutes. :V

Here ends Book 2, chapter 4: Residue Processing. The next update will be chapter 5: This Mortal Coil.
 
Sooo... "This Mortal Coil". Having not played Half Life 2, Google gives me "This Vortal Coil", which seemingly is a reference to Hamlet.

Which leads me to... Wikis.

Apparently, during "This Vortal Coil", Gordon and some others need to fend off some attackers from a place they're defending, then they need to go hunt for some stuff they need in order to cure somebody, so they do.

...

Not likely relevant, but I found two names we know in the Wikipedia page for Hamlet.
More recently, psychoanalytic critics have examined Hamlet's unconscious desires, and feminist critics have re-evaluated and rehabilitated the often maligned characters of Ophelia and Gertrude.
 
Well, either enchantment is a thing that just takes boat-loads of practice, or we are approaching our practice of this wrong, maybe some of both.

Well, on the upside, we at least got a "feel" of what a correct enchantment "feels" like, so we now sort of got an idea of the end goal. Just need to figure out how to replicate the parts our grief magic were "propping" up.
 
You know, it makes sense we lose time when making Grief stuff. It's Witch powers, and Witches are kind of very self absorbed.

... Well that's all kinds of ominous.

Somebody remind me, what's our schedule like at the moment?
Right now, might need to talk about rock with Oriko. Specifically, 'rocking' her.

Sabrina's Day Planner

Of note, we've postponed talking with Masami and Hiroko about Ono, which we need to prioritize in order for Ono to not kill herself.

And Kyouko might really really need cleansing at this point.
 
Couldn't we have tried using another magerial for practice? Maybe the rocks are just too brittle, and can't contain much enchantment before breaking. I mean it's obviously great for practicing control, but it doesnt really suit our needs right now.

Maybe get one of the gold bars, seperate it into nuggets, then try that as a medium?
 
"It doesn't hold, though," Oriko murmurs, watching as Kirika smacks the enchanted stone again with another rock - the black haired girl seems to take an extraordinary amount of delight in the chiming noise. "When you leave the area."

That's stupid. Why is reality so stupid? We should invent a grief device to make reality operate by rules that make sense. Or maybe just make our own realitybarrier that makes more sense.

You know, I don't think we ever did go back to check whether hitting the ground with a hammer made of grief / shooting with a grief-based laser even permanently leaves a mark. I think we just kind of assumed reality wouldn't be that ridiculous.
 
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No time right now, but maybe use the enchantment control booster to make another enchantment control booster with regular magic, and then use that to make stuff, like a third booster that might not be dependent on the grief version being around to function. Something to try and/or ask Oriko about later.
 
A thought, if we want to try one last time: This 'stuff breaking when enchanting wrong' is kind of similar to Fate: Stay Night 'reinforcing'.

It works by 'filling the empty spots in an object' with magic, making it sturdier, or at least that's at the basic level. Objects break when a spot is filled with more magic than it can hold.

Maybe we can Grief up a way to 'see' what we're doing with magic more clearly? Maybe we're making this same mistake, putting too much magic where there's not enough 'space' for it, so breaking the rocks by pulling them apart from the inside.

Or maybe we can tell Oriko we're gonna attempt this and ask her to stop us if she sees us fail.

At least, this way the Grief Object we use shouldn't interfere with the final product, since it's only made to enhance our senses, no Grief put into the magic pebble.
 
At least, this way the Grief Object we use shouldn't interfere with the final product, since it's only made to enhance our senses, no Grief put into the magic pebble.
Yeah, the thing we did do was only supposed to enhance our skill and not put any grief in it either. Clearly that just doesn't work for some insane reason. Maybe it's Homucifer's fault.
 
A thought, if we want to try one last time: This 'stuff breaking when enchanting wrong' is kind of similar to Fate: Stay Night 'reinforcing'.

It works by 'filling the empty spots in an object' with magic, making it sturdier, or at least that's at the basic level. Objects break when a spot is filled with more magic than it can hold.

Maybe we can Grief up a way to 'see' what we're doing with magic more clearly? Maybe we're making this same mistake, putting too much magic where there's not enough 'space' for it, so breaking the rocks by pulling them apart from the inside.

Or maybe we can tell Oriko we're gonna attempt this and ask her to stop us if she sees us fail.

At least, this way the Grief Object we use shouldn't interfere with the final product, since it's only made to enhance our senses, no Grief put into the magic pebble.
Yeah, some enhancement to our magical sense (or maybe something that adds visual aspect to it) would remove a lot of guesswork on enchanting.

Also, what about trying to use a different material as the medium? Like gold or metal?
 
Hmm...

[] I have to go. I can disconnect you, if you wish, and leave your gem in Kirika's care until I can return and we can pick this up again. You can also try to continue practicing enchantment like Kirika probably will, but I don't know if you'll make much progress through the pain. Or... you can think more on what I said earlier. As long as you see yourself as expendable, the problem will only get worse.

Eh, might as well.

[] What would happen if I used that control booster to make another control booster via enchantment, and then then used that second one to make a third? Would the third still be reliant on the first to function?
 
Also, damn you Oriko, you didn't even try.

Yeah, the thing we did do was only supposed to enhance our skill and not put any grief in it either. Clearly that just doesn't work for some insane reason. Maybe it's Homucifer's fault.
But the way Grief does stuff, is by 'entering' what we want to change with it, so if we use it to enhance something, that some now is Grief, and Grief works by propagating.

We can use Grief as an enabler of sorts, I think. If we, as I proposed, enhance our senses, something that's useful, but doesn't actually interact with what we we're seeing, in order to make things easier, we could maybe get somewhere, and Grief shouldn't enter the enchantment itself.

The rosebush is still there, because while we used Grief to move it, the Grief was an outside force on the bush, the Grief was made into a solid object, then used to move the bush in a completely mundane fashion, no Grief 'enchanting' the bush into 'being somewhere else', though I reckon enchanting the rosebush to walk somewhere else would've been a partial success, at least.
 

About that timetable start 8 am to 10 pm is it fixed awake time or can Sabrina get more time to use by waking at 7am and finishing at midnight or later?
Considering that human in general can go by less sleep for work. I would think a lot of magical girls would hunt overnight so It can be easier to talk or work in that period of course she do need to get the okay from the magical girls she contact in day first.

She can rest when she's dead.
 
The rosebush is still there, because while we used Grief to move it, the Grief was an outside force on the bush, the Grief was made into a solid object, then used to move the bush in a completely mundane fashion

But by that logic this should have worked. This is like saying that if we used a grief device to enhance our muscles, then the bush no longer counts as being moved in a completely mundane fashion.
 
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