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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
But a good reason to shelve barrier tech without additional information? You can at least say that we're consistent about our approach to things that we're scared of....
Muramasa
Best Girl
The objection isn't about taking action but on the action being taken. There is a difference there. And the current bandwagon is asking about it. It's just not being willfully ignorant of the problems associated. It's a fair vote.
Barrier tech is likely to explode in our face, has in fact exploded in our faces, and doesn't directly add anything to our goals. None of this is at all true for putting Mami and Kyoko in the same room with plenty of other people and us around when we have a good excuse for it. It's apples and oranges to compare the two.
This is just objecting to trying to do social for no reason other than 'OH NO SOCIAL'.
It's trying to avoid doing something- ask Homura about the picnic idea- because it's allegedly too soon. Despite the vote not actually suggesting taking that action so much as trying to make it possible. No one wants to go push Mami and Kyoko together instantly so much as start talking to them about making it possible. And simply asking Homura about it directly rather than dancing around it in such a way that we're less likely to actually get a straight answer about the viability of the approach would be more likely to actually help with that.
No, I really don't see the objections to doing that as valid at all. It's stalling and making it less likely that we'll ever get things done, and squandering yet another opportunity for absolutely no reason at all in the process. Why not just vote to do nothing indefinitely if you don't want to even think/ask about taking risks? That's what this kind of 'but it's too dangerous!' mindset boils down to.
The vote works. The reason for the edit doesn't. At this point it's getting to be a running gag with how many chances to do something we're throwing away for no real reason.
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Muramasa
Best Girl
It's trying to come up with the best solution to mend the relationship between Mami and Kyouko rather then doing gymnastics and forcing a meet over an arbitrary deadline. In some way, you're almost missing the point.
We're asking about it. We're just not being stupid about it. We acknowledge there's problems with the plan. There's no reason not to admit as much to Homura.
I really wish you'd actually address Synch's points. Instead of rehashing the same argument that's failed to convince the last two times you made it. The problems Synch's brought up are reasonable, plausible and need to be addressed. If you can't do that, then you're not going to convince me that you're plan is the best course of action here.
Ugo. This is the last time I'm going to say it. Knock it off with the strawman.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
But this social is also likely to explode in our face and probably won't really further our goals either, assuming that we don't suddenly acquire good social skills.
Just like how we're probably never going to learn whether or not barriers actually do anything bad, or if that's just a feather, without proper research.
One day I will find the argument that will make everybody want to try barriers again, and on that day we shall have a dimension made entirely out of cake, because it won't be a lie!
Mister Bad Guy
Mr Mercury to friends
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"Well, that's the plan," Sabrina said, looking between the two girls. "It should be a lot of help in testing, and frankly, you two are some of the only megucas who'd trust each other enough to do it, so..."
The two girls looked at Sabrina, with a strange mixture of expressions.
"No."
"Yes."
"Kirika, no."
"Kirika yes."
"Why?"
"Because."
"It's useless. What would it tell us?"
"I wanna try it."
"No."
"Come onnn."
"Do you want to follow her ideas, of all things?"
"Well, I do, so I guess that means you do, too?"
"...Fine."
Sabrina watched Oriko's body twitch for a second, before slumping... then, just as suddenly, sit straight up again. "Woo, what a rush!" she said, in a voice that was curiously off. She raised the orange gem in her hand, and smiled. "So I guess it worked, huh?"
"How does it feel?" Sabrina said, cautious but nonetheless silently cheering in her head. Cheers. The Cheers theme. A picture of Madoka dressed as a penguin.
"It feels great!" said Oriko, as she stood from her chair... and promptly fell flat on her face. She quickly stood up, shaking her head. "Uh... sorry, sorry, I guess I'm not really used to this dress... or this weight in the front." She frowned. "It's kinda... I dunno, like wearing platform shoes and a backpack, I haven't really figured out where all my limbs should be yet."
"Well, I always was a bit clumsy."
Standing outside the yard was Kirika, straight-backed, with an unfamiliar slight frown on her face. "It is nice to have a body like this."
Sabrina stood by, seemingly taking notes in her head. "Okay, looks like you got the hang of that body quickly." Quick. Chocolate milk. Buy Mami some chocolate milk. "So, uh... alright, why not just try doing stuff, see if anything happens?"
"Oh, doing stuff," Kirika said, the disdain clear in her voice. "Truly, you are a marvelous scientis- ow!" She flinched, visibly jumping. "I bit my tongue!" Oriko rushed to the other girl's side, stumbling over the dress, as she sputtered at the sudden pain. "I thought these teeth were adorable, but - ow."
"It's okay," Oriko said hastily, hugging the other girl. "You get used to it." She grinned a familiar grin, though the effect was somewhat lessened due to the lack of the snaggleteeth that currently occupied the other girl's mouth.
Sabrina just watched the brief silence, unsure of what to say. Idly, her grief orbs began to merge into a set of Legomen. Eventually, the two girls pulled away.
"Hugging feels weird now," Oriko said, a confused look on her face that had once been utterly unknown on it.
"Height," Kirika answered back, dusting herself off. "Ordinarily, I'm twenty-eight centimeters taller than you. You probably haven't gotten used to it yet."
"Neat!" Oriko said, looking around the yard. "Hey, uh... I gotta go to the bathroom. I mean, you gotta go to the bathroom. I mean, uh..."
"Kirika, I didn't have to go before -" But Oriko was already stumbling her way into the house. Sighing, Kirika looked back at Sabrina. "She's a lovely girl, but she can be such a fool."
"Huh?" Sabrina said, looking up from her currently-in-progress one-one-hundredth scale recreation of the opening scene of a monster movie that wouldn't exist for another two years. "Oh, yeah. But that's what makes her endearing, right? That she can be so silly but still know she cares about you?"
Kirika blushed slightly, before passing it off with a shrug. "I suppose so. If nothing else, it's a good change of pace to have a fool who I appreciate the presence of." Sabrina, paying more attention to getting the details on Knifehead's arms right, simply nodded, and Kirika seemed to surrender. "She's been in there for a while," she noted. "Shall we get her, for additional science?"
Sabrina's ears immediately perked up at the sound, and she smiled. "Sure!"
"Ooh, yes, Kirika, you're very smart."
Kirika peered at the current owner of her body through the crack in the door. Sabrina looked fit to burst with giggles. Kirika just sighed.
"You're such a cutie, and you've got great fashion sense, too!"
Oriko was standing in the bedroom, in front of a full-length mirror. She'd squeezed herself into an old school swimsuit, and was currently striking poses that looked somewhere between fashion magazine and shounen protagonist.
"You're the best girl ever! Now, let's go to America, and..." Abruptly, her head turned, noticing the crack in the door. She shrank back, a massive blush spreading across her face. "Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry!"
Kirika shrugged, and opened the door, walking into the room and putting her arm around the other girl. "Kirika, it's alright," she said. "I knew you were doing something like this. I just wish you would ask permission first."
Oriko looked up, still blushing heavily. "R-really?"
Kirika allowed a smile onto her face. "Goodness, Kirika, if you wanted to see me in swimwear so badly, you could have told me. At least then, I would have gotten myself a swimsuit that fits."
Oriko let out a bark of laughter, and hugged the smaller girl again. Sabrina, who had been watching the affair with some amusement, chose that moment to let out an ahem. "Okay, you two, it's nice to see you're taking this well, but... there's one more thing I wanna test."
"Say no more," said Kirika, lifting the light grey gem. In a flash, her black jacket and miniskirt were replaced by Oriko's enormous white dress and hat. She lifted her arms, stretching out in the new uniform. "It feels like it always does. Fits perfectly." She conjured up one of her spheres. "And there's the weapon."
Oriko, eagerly, pulled out the yellow gem and twirled it between her fingers. The swimsuit was quickly hidden under Kirika's white stockings and black long-sleeved coat, with the claws protruding from the cuffs and the eyepatch pulled jauntily over her face. She looked rather comical, but seemed much more comfortable in the old outfit than she had since the switch. She looked at Kirika with a frown. "Aww... I don't look good in your clothes." She glanced at the mirror. "Oooh, but you look great in mine!"
"Likewise," Kirika nodded back, before turning her gaze to Sabrina. "In any case, I suppose the experiment is over?"
"Huh?" Sabrina said, her eyes refocusing. "Oh! Oh, we're still on this. Yeah, we're all good. You can go back to your bodies now. Just switch Soul Gems, then start running."
The taller girl seemed to pout. "But Orikoooo..."
"Kirika, it's fine," the shorter girl said, plucking the grey gem from her collar and handing it over, before reaching around the back of the other girl and pulling the yellow diamond. "In any case, what does this change?"
"Huh?" Sabrina and Oriko spoke at the same time. Kirika shrugged, walking to the windowsill and wrenching it open.
"We are together, are we not? My body is already yours." With those words, she promptly vaulted out the window.
"Wow," Sabrina said. "How sappy can you get, huh, best buddy?" She turned, to see Oriko standing stock still with a massive gleaming smile on her face, looking as if she had just won the lottery.
Sabrina shrugged, and muttered "Weirdos," before jumping out the window to land on a pillow of Grief.
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Then you'll be quiet about it from now on?
What strawman? Not being willing to take risks is exactly the mindset that'll killing off any chance of us taking action. And, no, 'it's too soon' doesn't hold water when this is trying to lay groundwork, and neither does fearmongering over it blowing up in our faces when I've already explained that the picnic makes it less awkward, the presence of the other characters lets us defuse things if they do go wrong, us being right there limits the likelihood of Kyokoplomacy/Mami limpet ruining things, and the idea that somehow this is hijacking Mami's party makes no goddamn sense when the whole point of this thing is to help her and we'd be running it by her.
Nothing SWB's objected to is all that useful as commentary. The best solution to having a reconciliation is to take steps to actually make that happen. And that means making use of opportunities rather than just shrugging, sitting back, and putting it off indefinitely. And intentionally or otherwise, that is exactly what ignoring opportunities does.
It's stalling and I don't see any reason to call it anything else.
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This strawman.
Muramasa
Best Girl
I'll talk as I feel the need to talk.
Risks that make sense can be considered. Doing the equivalent of taking a sledge hammer to Mami's issues is something that's not going to be looked at even remotely favorably.
fearmongering?
What the fuck Ugo
No I don't think you did. In either case I disagree.
The presence of others with the proper context perhaps. Madoka, Sayaka and Hitomi wouldn't have the context for any of it, they'd be spectators onlooking a shitstorm.
We're likely to be there regardless of plan picnic.
The party was intended to be enjoyed by everyone, not a meeting to showcase baggage. If the whole purpose of the picnic was to put Mami's trauma on full display of everyone, I'd never go for it. That's not helping her. That's a sick joke.
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Gadjo
Doka
Annyway, we can all agree that having Kyoko and Mami at the picnic would be great, but that they have some issues to be worked out over a few lunches and such before we can attempt to bring them face to face again, yes? Soon seems like a good time to begin working on their issues, but if we can't make enough progress in the next few days, we don't invite Kyoko, fair nuff?
{Must not fight! etc, etc}
{Must not fight! etc, etc}
Mister Bad Guy
Mr Mercury to friends
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Changing gears, thankfully, I think I've found Sabrina's true origins! Vast, ambiguous power? Knows everything? Not trusted by other people? Wants to help everybody? White hair? Wears a blue flowing garment over a grey suit? Something like six or seven different backstories?
Wait a minute, nobody reading this knows who the Phantom Stranger is.
Wait a minute, nobody reading this knows who the Phantom Stranger is.
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Muramasa
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Judas, as of the Nu52. How that fits into the Madokami/Homucifer cosmology is left as an exercise for the reader.
Edit: Actually, let me elaborate on that. He's never actually stated to be Judas, there's just a lot of "BETRAYER" and "THIRTY PIECES OF SILVER" and "I WAS BUDS WITH THIS REALLY SUPER TERRIFIC AND FORGIVING GUY WHO GOT NAILED TO A CROSS AND WORE A CROWN OF THORNS BUT I'M NOT GONNA SAY HIS NAME" while he runs around dealing with heaven and hell and the spear of destiny and so forth. It reads like they wanted to use Judas but ran into licensing issues.
Mysterious magic dude from DC.
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I don't mind your sentiment,
but we'd still have to test
if grief chocolate is safe to eat first ~
Mister Bad Guy
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An excellent point. However, you made one mistake in the presenting of your evidence.
Now, am I talking about the classic supporting character with the ambiguous origin who showed up in comics for decades and was written by Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman, or that guy with the boring origin who got canceled after twenty-four issues?
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Ah, missed that line earlier.
Are you planning on bringing Mami to this dimension? Because I remember the last time Mami was in a barrier composed of sweets.
Probably the one that doesn't give me an easy Madokami crack, and shame on you for it.
Mister Bad Guy
Mr Mercury to friends
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If it's any consolation, there was like a 75% chance his origin was somehow Biblical anyway.
Much like how there's a 75% chance that Sabrina isn't a witch.
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And the odd origin out has him coming from another universe, which is also very Madokami.
Also, mentioning Gaiman in this context sent me free-associating in strange directions.
"Oh, there you are!" said Sabrina, hurrying over with the red-and-yellow-haired girl in tow. "Been looking all over. Del, these are Mami and Homura. Mami, Homura, this is Delirium."
"A pleasure to meet you," said the newcomer, whose hair was now green and pink.
"I was expecting her to sound a lot weirder, actually," said Sabrina. "Both in what she said and how she said it, although I really have no idea what that voice would sound like. But she turned out to be very helpful and easy to understand, and she's offered to bring us by Destruction's place to talk shop."
"You don't have to pretend to like his art or composing or anything," said Delirium. "Just don't be mean about it."
Homura and Mami exchanged a glance that contained a full argument on the theme of, "I'm not saying it, you say it."
Mami, evidently the loser, hesitantly said, "Y-you think that was easy to understand?"
"Yeah, it was clear as day," Sabrina said. "Wait, didn't it sound like that to you? Why would you have trouble understanding Deliriii...oh no."
Delirium patted her sympathetically on the shoulder. "There's no shame in being one of mine, you know. Give my love to Kirika, will you?"
"A pleasure to meet you," said the newcomer, whose hair was now green and pink.
"I was expecting her to sound a lot weirder, actually," said Sabrina. "Both in what she said and how she said it, although I really have no idea what that voice would sound like. But she turned out to be very helpful and easy to understand, and she's offered to bring us by Destruction's place to talk shop."
"You don't have to pretend to like his art or composing or anything," said Delirium. "Just don't be mean about it."
Homura and Mami exchanged a glance that contained a full argument on the theme of, "I'm not saying it, you say it."
Mami, evidently the loser, hesitantly said, "Y-you think that was easy to understand?"
"Yeah, it was clear as day," Sabrina said. "Wait, didn't it sound like that to you? Why would you have trouble understanding Deliriii...oh no."
Delirium patted her sympathetically on the shoulder. "There's no shame in being one of mine, you know. Give my love to Kirika, will you?"
I would like to research barriers again some day because I think that they're awesome: the amount of control we demonstrated while in the barrier indicates that just about anything (including cake) is possible. However, we made a promise to Mami and Homura. So right now the more important question is not whether barriers are safe or useful but rather the question is whether we're going to keep our word.
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