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Cannongerbil said:
Grief follows Aristotelean physics, not Newtonian. Larger grief structures doesn't actually affect how fast we can make it move.
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You know, I was about to say that we would have trouble fighting things smaller than us like that, since we'd just be looking out a window, but then I realized: we should be able to make witch grief that we can sense things with. Hell, we should be able to make Sabrina grief clones within 100m like the Rosso Phantasma (with the added downside of the fakes being obvious to a magical girl).
 
What we haven't tested, iirc, is if someone we touch with our grief in the time stop comes out of time stop. If yes, then it should go both ways, and as long as Homura hangs onto one of our marbles and stays within 100m, we and everyone we tag automatically stay in time stop with her. If no, we can dissect witches while in the comfort of time stop, and Walrus Night can be dealt with while Homura sits back and drinks Piña Coladas.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
What we haven't tested, iirc, is if someone we touch with our grief in the time stop comes out of time stop. If yes, then it should go both ways, and as long as Homura hangs onto one of our marbles and stays within 100m, we automatically stay in time stop with her. If no, we can dissect witches while in the comfort of time stop, and Walrus Night can be dealt with while Homura sits back and drinks Piña Coladas.
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Or we can use Mami ribbons...but grief marbles alone are unlikely to mean infinite timestop :p
 
Redshirt Army said:
What we haven't tested, iirc, is if someone we touch with our grief in the time stop comes out of time stop. If yes, then it should go both ways, and as long as Homura hangs onto one of our marbles and stays within 100m, we automatically stay in time stop with her. If no, we can dissect witches while in the comfort of time stop, and Walrus Night can be dealt with while Homura sits back and drinks Piña Coladas.
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But she's underage! Momura would never break the law!
(remembers she's a prolific thief and in some timelines, a murderer)
...Well she would never stoop to the level of drinking alcohol illegally!
 
Also, thinking about ways to game Mami's power, she should be able to do the Hellsing razor floss thing- her ribbons can go fine enough to do it (they have to, to do the detailing on her muskets), they're strong enough to do it, and she can exert enough force to do it. I imagine that either it's a stylistic choice, or it's ineffective for whatever reason.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Also, thinking about ways to game Mami's power, she should be able to do the Hellsing razor floss thing- her ribbons can go fine enough to do it (they have to, to do the detailing on her muskets), they're strong enough to do it, and she can exert enough force to do it. I imagine that either it's a stylistic choice, or it's ineffective for whatever reason.
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She actually does that in TDS when she fights Kyoko. Kyoko implies it's pretty expensive though, and it's after Mami's gone off the deep end and is in a sort of drawn-out tetris, so she's explicitly gone lethal.
 
But fighting and powers are booorrriinnnnngggg

We should get Mami to teach Oriko to make better cakes, then we can watch with Kirika daw'ing at how cute our ojous are
 
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thagguy said:
But fighting and powers are booorrriinnnnngggg

We should get Mami to teach Oriko to make better cakes, then we can watch with OKirika daw'ing at how cute our ojous are
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Sabrina:"They really do get along better when they have something to work together at, don't they?"
Kirika:"Yeah, they really are adorable when they aren't fighting."
Sabrina:"...My Ojou's better than yours."
*Kirika eyes go wide for a moment, not expecting Sabrina to call her that out loud, then she grins*
Kirika:"Bullshit."
 
Gadjo said:
She actually does that in TDS when she fights Kyoko. Kyoko implies it's pretty expensive though, and it's after Mami's gone off the deep end and is in a sort of drawn-out tetris, so she's explicitly gone lethal.
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So, not a problem anymore? Against Witches, I mean.

thagguy said:
But fighting and powers are booorrriinnnnngggg

We should get Mami to teach Oriko to make better cakes, then we can watch with Kirika daw'ing at how cute our ojous are
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More reasons to get Mami Kirika-points.

More seriously, how the fudge are we supposed to get Mami to get along with Oriko. It'd be a real wonder if it comes up that Oriko's main meta-reason for being in the quest was to antagonize and likely kill us.
 
Onmur said:
Poor Kirika looks like the only one can only jump good. We need to make her some witchy-grief-attachable-wings or something. And a jetpack for Oriko, I guess.
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We could probably figure out how to make a grief!flight system to give to Kirika. She'd have to stay within 100m until we figure out how to work around that limitation, but it's still pretty good. I wonder if we can make her grief wings that let her control her own flight (within the 100m radius, of course), rather than us having to control it for her?
 
Onmur said:
So, not a problem anymore? Against Witches, I mean.
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Not a huge problem, no. But we'd have to be careful not to walk into the trap ourselves. Against witches, though, I think we have better tools. I think they'd be at their most useful against small, mobile, targets, not the typically large witches. Still, it might have some use against witches.
 
Onmur said:
So, not a problem anymore? Against Witches, I mean.


More reasons to get Mami Kirika-points.

More seriously, how the fudge are we supposed to get Mami to get along with Oriko. It'd be a real wonder if it comes up that Oriko's main meta-reason for being in the quest was to antagonize and likely kill us.
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She was supposed to be be dead/still an enemy- but the best way is to have Mami exposed to Oriko in small doses and get to know her...and for Oriko to be helpful. That, and the "befriending via Kirika" approach.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
We could probably figure out how to make a grief!flight system to give to Kirika. She'd have to stay within 100m until we figure out how to work around that limitation, but it's still pretty good. I wonder if we can make her grief wings that let her control her own flight (within the 100m radius, of course), rather than us having to control it for her?
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I figure we could. If we can make sci-fi guns, we can make jetpacks. A jetpack would be a way for Kirika to fly on her own power inside our range. If we can make that, we likely can make other methods to grant flight without us being in control.
Ugolino said:
She was supposed to be be dead/still an enemy- but the best way is to have Mami exposed to Oriko in small doses and get to know her...and for Oriko to be helpful. That, and the "befriending via Kirika" approach.
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Oriko has been helpful... Mami knows it, too. I wonder if she really knows it, or she's trying her best to ignore it.
Torgamous said:
We should just directly ask for Kirika's help in helping our ojous to get along.
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I so want us to have a private chat with best buddy. Kind of wanted to tell her about threatening to witch her, but Oriko doesn't want her to know, it seems.
 
Krecart said:
Grief moves damned near as fast as we want it to. Physics be damned.
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Still a whole lot slower than the jet, likely slower than the MOF as well. If we're fighting meguca getting in range to gem yank is more important than the looks or strength a mech would provide. Also, we'd probably crush a few buildings and kill some bystanders.

Edit: against Walpurgis however a proper mech might be nice. Thematically appropriate as well.
 
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SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
By the way?

Pocky is a good sign, yes. But pocky offered and refuses to meet our eyes? That's an apology, isn't it?
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For what, exactly? Maybe she underestimated us internally, but she was the one who recognized and called out that we were holding back, and to stop doing so.

On the other hand, I'm guessing that Kyouko had assumed that Sabrina was actually pretty damn shitty at combat, beyond some simple (but effective) grief-bending techniques. It would make sense to her: brand new MG, seemingly naive idealist, someone Mami has recently taken in (and, perhaps in her mind, coddled), and someone who took her ability to obviate the need for Seeds (and inherent ability to counter Witches) as evidence that she thought herself to be more competent all-around than she actually was. Cue Sabrina actually matching Kyouko (who is almost going all out) when she is explicitly avoiding any lethal force, anything that feels Witchy, and her more 'cheap' tricks that would kind of avoid the need to even have a fight to begin with, and Kyouko is both pleasantly surprised that she's found a fellow badass (and sparring partner) and forced to seriously rethink her impression of Sabrina.

Kind of like she thought Sabrina was something like Sayaka but with some grief-bending powers that actually let her cheat the system, but just found out that she's just as badass as Kyouko is in a fight, even when holding back. It means that, even if Kyouko still thinks her naively idealistic, she can definitely respect when a naive idealist is actually a powerful badass. Telling her we dealt with Oriko probably helped in that regard, but telling her that we snuffed out the war before it could escalate out of control will force her to rethink the 'naive' aspect.
 
Jackercracks said:
Still a whole lot slower than the jet, likely slower than the MOF as well. If we're fighting meguca getting in range to gem yank is more important than the looks or strength a mech would provide. Also, we'd probably crush a few buildings and kill some bystanders.
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No, dude. It seriously goes as fast as we want it too. The problem is that squishy meat bodies can't handle the acceleration and associated forces.

Torgamous said:
We should just directly ask for Kirika's help in helping our ojous to get along.
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Yes. We should do this as well as discussing our Mumi relationship issues.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
How do we want to phrase that, anyway? "Oh, yeah, about the gang war, Mami and I (and Kirika) went and beat up everybody until they agreed to stop fighting, so that's dealt with."
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Well, we didn't beat up everybody. The University Group can attest to that. And Sendai attacked us (and everyone else), and refused to negotiate.

Should probably add in there that we also got everyone to stand down (after beating up the ones who refused) by offering our services for free cleansing on a regular basis.

Which we can do, we should also add, because we can easily make a flying grief jet plane that goes about as fast as we want it to, complete with seats and windshields and everything.
 
Redshirt Army said:
How do we want to phrase that, anyway? "Oh, yeah, about the gang war, Mami and I (and Kirika) went and beat up everybody until they agreed to stop fighting, so that's dealt with."
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Specify that we beat up Sendai, Fukushima, and Ishinomaki ('cause they attacked us first) as opposed to everybody? Other than that... I dunno.

edit: Pfft. We did beat up a lot of people. Might be easier to say that we hit everybody but the UG at some point.

Maybe we could ask if she knows anything about the North(?) Tokyo or Fukushima groups? We don't really know much about them. She might not either, but it couldn't hurt to ask.
 
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Krecart said:
No, dude. It seriously goes as fast as we want it too. The problem is that squishy meat bodies can't handle the acceleration and associated forces.
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I thought aerodynamics also came into play at least a bit so far as top speed is concerned? Regardless, with a mech we have additional constraints that stop us reaching full speed.

1. Trailing limbs can smash buildings into pieces (and kill the occupants)
2. Big bulky body makes it hard to maneuver around squishy human bystanders
3. Extremely un-aerodynamic.

Aside from that, meguca seeing a massive mech are naturally going to want to keep their distance, possibly keeping them out of gem yank range. The MOF is a far less intimidating shape, allowing us to get into range without them fully realising the danger. Being knocked into a building (and destroying it killing bystanders ect ect) is also fairly inevitable in mecha combat. Against meguca a mech is not a terribly efficient way to do things compared to our other options. It does, however, have other advantages:

1. Intimidating. We may not actually use it in a fight, but having a mech looming behind us can do wonders for ensuring smooth negotiations. As the saying goes, speak softly and carry a big stick.
2. Weighty. It's less likely to get batted about by large impacts, because we can brace the thing and it'll likely be larger than a MOF.

That's why I think having a mech would come in handy, but not in actual combat against meguca. We could possibly practice using one inside the next witches barrier.

Edit: Anywho, why don't we just say we went over and beat everyone up until they stopped fighting? I'm pretty sure Kyouko would only respect us more for it.

"Oh, yeah, about the gang war, Mami and I (and Kirika) went and beat up everybody until they agreed to stop fighting, so that's dealt with. Well, we tried to talk to them first, make them see there was no reason for them to fight each other but they were being unreasonable so we beat them into a pulp."

[jk] So yeah, we joined up with the losing side, captured all of the winning side and imposed our dominion upon the FOOLS WHO DARED TO DEFY OUR WILL! WE HAVE ACHIEVED PEACE THROUGH OVERWHELMING FIREPOWER!
 
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