Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
True enough. I concede the point and admit my error.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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True enough. I concede the point and admit my error.
Precisely so.
Magical girl animes always make it so that the trinket is, indeed, metaphysically and metaphorically linked to the girl in question.
And that's exactly what seems reasonable on first glance.
Metaphorically.
Coobs even admits to manipulating media - so that, among other things, this becomes the obvious thought. The name 'Soul Gem' is exactly in line with the kind of name you'd expect of generic magical girl transformation trinket, too.
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By "safety precautions" with respect to soul gems, I mean giving the thing to Yuma. That way it can't accidentally be hurt during the spar. Heck, this is the type of safety practice that would be great when hunting witches as well: hand all of the soul gems to one person and have them focus on defence while everyone else focuses on offence.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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Hmm. They are roughly egg-shaped. Maybe if we made some sort of basket to put them all in?
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
All eggs in one basket as the smell of a bad idea.
Jackercracks
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I don't know what kind of lessons you had, but back when I was learning spanish at their age we never went near anything like souls. It was all practical words like cerveza (beer), pie (foot) and useful phrases like tu madre es una putana y el burro sabe mas que tu padre. Spanish is a wonderful language for insults.
There's a couple problems with that for both sparring and hunting. For starters, if that one girl goes down we're boned. Also, if we split up while hunting we'll collapse into a coma. Also, if we knock kyouko out of the arena she'll go into a coma and vice versa, and I really don't feel like lich bombing Yuma today.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
She can put up bead walls ping-pong-jump between them, probably faster than we can react to her changes in movement.
We can? Aside from making grief platforms? I don't think we've ever tried.
Mami had to learn. And I think Kirika is leaving cracks when she jumps, too.
You'd have to make sure that the person entrusted with the gems actually does have the ability to protect them better than normal (they have superior dodging skill or shields, for instance). And it would be a dangerous strategy to use against an intelligent opponent who could detect that that person protecting the eggs was special and target them specifically. But against witches? It would be safer. It would allow all of the combatants to live even if some combatants are damaged enough that they would have been killed had they had their soul gems with them. In canon, for instance, Mami could have survived the fight against Charlotte if Madoka had been holding her soul gem.
Obviously, we're going to be careful not to knock Kyouko out of the arena or be knocked out ourselves. But even if it did happen, the negative results of lich bombing are not as bad as the negative results of soul gem damage.
Edit: fixed the last sentence (i.e. soul gem damage is worse than lich bombing)
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Torgamous
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But soul gem damage has a 0% chance of happening. We are as likely to summon Godzilla by handing our soul gem to Yuma as we are to suffer soul gem damage by not. If we were playing a character that didn't understand this I'd be happy to go along with it, but Sabrina's defining characteristic is metagaming.
Jackercracks
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We can do supersonic flight, she can't catch us if we go all out.
We have meta-knowledge that Firnagzen is not going to kill us in this spar. But he could still write us a bad-end omake which we have to revert by taking the correct precautions. Or he could cause the soul gem to be damaged without being destroyed. I don't want to have to rely on authorial fiat for safety precautions that can just as easily be implemented by a single line in the vote.
Gadjo
Doka
We've already established that we aren't going all out. Also, while we can manipulate the grief to move very finely at high speeds, we still have average (for a meguca) reflexes. Zipping around in different directions that fast could disorient us (also, chainwalls are a thing. She could box us in, and slow us down).
Gadjo
Doka
We aren't going to be killed in a sparring match for fun. We don't want to give lichbomb hints to Yuma. The risk of injury is really not high enough to warrant hinting at that right now.
It's simply unnecessary.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
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The relative probabilities of each are very much different though. Soul gem damage from sparring has essentially 0% chance of happening in this story. Accidental lichbombing I'd give maybe 15-20%.
The problem with putting all our eggs in one basket for witches -aside from the fact that a swing knocking Mami 50 feet away would put her in a coma instead of just being annoying- is that sometimes stuff comes along that no-sells a particular defensive ability and then we're extremely screwed instead of just being normally screwed. Greater defensive possibility, but great chance of catastrophic failure if something does go wrong, thus the metaphor putting all the eggs in one basket.
I know we're not going all out, I've been saying that the whole time eh. I just feel like noting that best girl can't catch us if we do. She slows us with chainwalls, we slow her with griefwalls, and griefcages. She ping-pongs off bead-walls, we zig-zag between grief platforms while also having wings. She throws a spear, we throw a swarm of spears that break into razors and then change course. Her only win condition is to jump on us in the first second of combat and never let go.
Best girl is good at her job, against a normal magical girl she'd do great. Against most magical girls really. Sabrina's an endgame bossfight though. You need a party or a sneak attack to take her down.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I don't think that can happen? Inivisitext: I haven't read it, but wasn't one of the points of Oriko Magica that a crack in a gem causes it to irreversibly break down?
While we're talking metagaming, while Sabrina's wondered about the 'Interloper' title, shouldn't we go ahead and tell Mami and Homura that we expect somebody's about to show up and possibly try to mess up our lives?
Gadjo
Doka
So you're saying our only weakness is hugs? Wait... so Mami's just been keeping us in line with a constant application of hugs to keep us complacent? She's trying to keep us in an eternity of Mami hugs? Eh, I suppose we can accept our fate.
Also, we've already established that we outclass pretty much anyone short of Homura or Mami (and Mami is conditional on us not just gem popping her the moment we're in range). So nothing new there. I just think we should be careful about going into more fights with that "we're so overpowered this isn't even going to be a challenge" mentality. It makes us do stupid things (not relevant now, since we don't care if Kyoko kicks our asses, but it's just something to keep in mind next time we seriously fight a meguca).
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Look, Sabrina has OOC knowledge - that's her defining character trait, insofar as it is the brain damage. Therefore, she knows, with the same OOC certainty that the witchbomb exists, that her soul gem will be fine. Actually, that's kind of interesting, she knows that she's fictional, a quest protagonist, and her authors username - some prime introspection material for later, when she's not about to be stabbed repeatedly.
EDIT: This is not actually the case. Whoops?
EDIT: This is not actually the case. Whoops?
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
MAMI usedMami hugs are a hard counter to Sabrina.
SABRINA is paralyzed! It can't move!
Gadjo
Doka
Now I'm imagining that Mami hugs are a secret technique passed along from master to student throughout generations:Mami hugs are a hard counter to Sabrina.
*Kyoko lies on the ground, breathing heavily*
Kyoko:"D-damn it. You really are powerful."
Sabrina:"Yeeeaaaah... I'm kinda broken."
Kyoko:"Well there's one last trick ol' Mami taught me before I left."
Sabrina:"I don't think there are many things that could beat me."
Kyoko:"Oh yeah? "
*Kyoko leaps from her sitting position, seemingly faster than should be possible for a normal human, and wraps her arms around Sabrina*
Sabrina:"Wha-what are you-"
Kyoko:"Sabrina, I- I can't. I can't lose you..."
Sabrina:"...Kyoko I don't know what you're trying to do, but it won't-"
Kyoko: *sobbing*
Sabrina:L-look, Kyoko, you're going to be okay. We won't leave you. You can come back to Mitakihara, live with Mami and I-"
Kyoko:"I knew it."
*Sabrina looks up and notices an enormous spear, inches from her forehead*
Sabrina:"Huh."
And that's how Kyoko won round 2.
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I did, and it was very confusing when they started freaking out over it later.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
So, the one that's even more broken that Sabrina is Mami. Makes sense.
I'm not sorry. Kinda.