So, basically the question is whether to guard it behind a conditional or to have Firn give us a reaction vote?
Yeah, pretty much. I'm generally very risk adverse when it comes to social votes, and I'd rather we get the chance to assess the situation when it comes up to make sure that she's ready for it, and if not, to adjust our wording appropriately than leave it up to an if conditional set up three days in advance that might very well doom us the same way that dropping the secretsbomb did.
I don't much like the prospect of Asunaro myself, but it's unavoidable at this point CG.
I know. Doesn't mean I can't express my displeasure at it when it pops up.
 
Only issue with giving her a seed for that is that there's no practical reason we can't just cleanse her. It'll come off as odd, and might worry her.

Any ideas to get around that? Possibly:

"Hey Mami I'm testing this new grief seed invention thing that might last dozens of times longer than a normal seed, so could you use this to cleanse your gem and I'll empty it out when it gets full. That way you don't have to ask for cleanses."

We'll figure it out in the morning anyways.
 
It still comes over as keeping secrets when put like that. Better just to say that we think it for now.
Fair enough

[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x] I know this is a lot to hear right now, Mami. Do you want to hear some of the lighter stuff tonight, or do you want to just relax? For now, I'm okay with either.
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. Whatever Mami wants to bring up.

-[x]If she seems to be doing okay and wants to know...
--[X] I'm pretty sure I'm literally only 8 days old. I think that I was created by another magical girl's wish. I think she wanted me to fix the worst of these secrets.
--[X] I also know a lot of things, and not just the stuff that I need to tell you: languages, math, science, strategy, medicine, the magic system, and so much more, are all stuffed inside my head. That's what I meant by things that don't make sense.
 
Yeah, pretty much. I'm generally very risk adverse when it comes to social votes, and I'd rather we get the chance to assess the situation when it comes up to make sure that she's ready for it, and if not, to adjust our wording appropriately than leave it up to an if conditional set up three days in advance that might very well doom us the same way that dropping the secretsbomb did.
That didn't really doom us, though. This had to happen sometime, and her reaction tells me that the betrayal factor was definitely present, meaning that hiding it longer would have only caused more damage. The secretbomb wasn't a fuckup; we dropped it on purpose, and we knew that the reaction might be bad.
 
"I think she wanted me to fix the worst of these secrets."

This line sets off all of the alarm bells. :o
... Yeah. That could be bad.

[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x] I know this is a lot to hear right now, Mami. Do you want to hear some of the lighter stuff tonight, or do you want to just relax? For now, I'm okay with either.
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. Whatever Mami wants to bring up.
-[x]If she seems to be doing okay and wants to know...
--[X] I'm pretty sure I'm literally only 8 days old. I think that I was created by another magical girl's wish. I think she wanted me to make the life of a magical girl better. I wished to control grief after all.
--[X] I also know a lot of things, and not just the stuff that I need to tell you: languages, math, science, strategy, medicine, the magic system, and so much more, are all stuffed inside my head. That's what I meant by things that don't make sense.


EDIT:

Your reveal about our age is more ominous than I think we'd prefer, but this I like.


Can't take credit for that one. That's Gadjo's line.
 
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A while later, Mami stirs, turning her head so that she can speak. "I-I can't," Mami whispers so softly you can barely hear her. "I c-can't go back to b-being a-alone, S-Sabrina."

"And you won't, Mami," you say, maintaining your hug. "And... Mami, it's not just me. Madoka and Sayaka care about you too. Even Homura, in her own way." You smile into her hair, even if she can't see it. "I'm just the lucky girl who gets to live with you."

"N-" Mami shifts in your arms, looking up at you. "S-Sabrina, y-you're not just-"

You stroke her hair gently. "Mami, my point is that they're your friends, too. Just like me," you say, smiling at her.

Mami doesn't respond, simply returning to leaning her head against you.
I don't really follow the discussions so this might have been gone over earlier, but are we friend-zoning Mami on purpose? It looks like she was going to say something about us not being just a friend to her here and that even if she has other friends we're irreplaceable. That last line also makes her seem pretty dejected about our response.

We might want to clarify our relationship with her soonish. Either start dating her, tell her straight out that we are never being more than friends, or tell her that we like her romantically but aren't comfortable with dating her until she's better about standing up to us.
 
I don't really follow the discussions so this might have been gone over earlier, but are we friend-zoning Mami on purpose? It looks like she was going to say something about us not being just a friend to her here and that even if she has other friends we're irreplaceable. That last line also makes her seem pretty dejected about our response.

We might want to clarify our relationship with her soonish. Either start dating her, tell her straight out that we are never being more than friends, or tell her that we like her romantically but aren't comfortable with dating her until she's better about standing up to us.
We're not...though we may want to talk to her about it.

I prefer Option D: just tell her that she matters to us a lot too, since it's completely true and doesn't potentially run into any of the issues the others do.
 
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I don't really follow the discussions so this might have been gone over earlier, but are we friend-zoning Mami on purpose? It looks like she was going to say something about us not being just a friend to her here and that even if she has other friends we're irreplaceable. That last line also makes her seem pretty dejected about our response.

We might want to clarify our relationship with her soonish. Either start dating her, tell her straight out that we are never being more than friends, or tell her that we like her romantically but aren't comfortable with dating her until she's better about standing up to us.
Yeah. This is a good point. I noticed that and then got distracted.

Also, to try and up the caution of my vote and please those worried about revealing the self-bomb too early:

[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x] I know this is a lot to hear right now, Mami. Do you want to hear some of the lighter stuff tonight, or do you want to just relax? For now, I'm okay with either.
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. Whatever Mami wants to bring up.
-[x]If she seems to be doing okay and wants to know...
--[X] I know a lot of random things, and not just the stuff that I need to tell you: languages, math, science, strategy, medicine, the magic system, and so much more, are all stuffed inside my head. That's what I meant by things that don't make sense.
--[x] If she wants to know more
---[X] I'm also pretty sure I'm literally only 8 days old. I think that I was created by another magical girl's wish. I think she wanted me to make the life of magical girls better. I wished to control grief after all.

 
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Just grammar

--[X] I'm pretty sure I'm literally only 8 days old. I think that I was created by another magical girl's wish. I think she wanted me to make the life of magical girls better. I wished to control grief after all.

Did you guys happen to pick a sexuality for Sabrina at any point back before I joined in? Or should we have that discussion.
 
Just grammar

--[X] I'm pretty sure I'm literally only 8 days old. I think that I was created by another magical girl's wish. I think she wanted me to make the life of magical girls better. I wished to control grief after all.

Did you guys happen to pick a sexuality for Sabrina at any point back before I joined in? Or should we have that discussion.
Mami/Sabrina OTP.

More seriously, there are several different camps for shipping/no shipping, but that's the only real ship being seriously suggested...with the caveat that absolutely no one wants to rush into it with Mami in her current state.

That said, I ship it.
 
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I don't really follow the discussions so this might have been gone over earlier, but are we friend-zoning Mami on purpose? It looks like she was going to say something about us not being just a friend to her here and that even if she has other friends we're irreplaceable. That last line also makes her seem pretty dejected about our response.

We might want to clarify our relationship with her soonish. Either start dating her, tell her straight out that we are never being more than friends, or tell her that we like her romantically but aren't comfortable with dating her until she's better about standing up to us.
Problem with pursuing anything romantically at the moment is how much of a doormat she is right now; even if she's not actually comfortable with that, she'll pretty much do whatever she thinks we want. I'm not sure, but I was under the impression that we weren't going to bring it up until we felt she was more mentally healthy.
 
Problem with pursuing anything romantically at the moment is how much of a doormat she is right now; even if she's not actually comfortable with that, she'll pretty much do whatever she thinks we want. I'm not sure, but I was under the impression that we weren't going to bring it up until we felt she was more mentally healthy.
That's correct, and I still don't think we should bring it up now. Just reinforcing that we care about her is a neutral middle ground that avoids the potential problems either way.
 
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That's correct, and I still don't think we should. Just reinforcing that we care about her is a neutral middle ground that avoids the potential problems either way.
Yeah, should be fine until quest end, at least.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

"Yes, Mami?" you say. "I can tell you... some of it, if you want to hear. I'm sorry, I. Some of it, I can't tell."

"N-n-" Mami shakes her head. "N-no. I j-just. How b-bad is it, S-Sabrina?"
[q] "Let's just say Kyubey could kill all my friends in a matter of minutes."

...

Considering we just offered some reveals, I don't think Mami actually wants to know what the secrets are, now. Letting her ask for secrets whenever she thinks she's ready for it could work.
 
I don't really follow the discussions so this might have been gone over earlier, but are we friend-zoning Mami on purpose? It looks like she was going to say something about us not being just a friend to her here and that even if she has other friends we're irreplaceable. That last line also makes her seem pretty dejected about our response.

We might want to clarify our relationship with her soonish. Either start dating her, tell her straight out that we are never being more than friends, or tell her that we like her romantically but aren't comfortable with dating her until she's better about standing up to us.

RE: Mami-Sabrina shipping: Unless certain things happen, Mami'll be happy to continue at roughly this level for the rest of the Quest.

Edit: Ninja'd by the GM.
 
That's... well, it doesn't seem to be true in what you've actually written, though,and if it is it's starting to look like Mami's thinking "if I try to move too fast I'll chase her away, too."
 
The ultimate paradox!

Sabrina: Mami, we can't date until you stand up for yourself and stop doing everything I tell you.

Mami: O-okay Sabrina, I-i'll just do what you told me and stand up for myself.

Sabrina: But you're still doing what I told you!

Mami: Please don't leave me!

Sabrina: Homumon, Madomum! Heeeelp!

Homumom: You see Sabrina, when two girls love each other very much sometimes one of them just has to kill everything that could possibly ever threaten the other. It's a part of growing up.

Sabrina: :facepalm:

Madomum: Don't listen to her Mami! The secret is to do absolutely nothing and have a strange person with massive power who knows way more about you then they should appear out of nowhere and suddenly dedicate their life to you. You're doing great so far!

Mami: :D:)
 
Problem with pursuing anything romantically at the moment is how much of a doormat she is right now; even if she's not actually comfortable with that, she'll pretty much do whatever she thinks we want. I'm not sure, but I was under the impression that we weren't going to bring it up until we felt she was more mentally healthy.

I can see that, but on the other hand, leaving whether we like her or not in limbo is just another added stress on top of everything else. I'm not suggesting we go all "Mami we are dating now!" on her, but removing ambiguity from the relationship might be a good idea. Like just telling her that we do like her as more than friends and we aren't just accidentally flirting with her would make a lot of our interactions more comfortable. It doesn't need to change our current level of relationship, just clarify what our relationship is.

Edit: It could be as simple as saying "Mami, I'm not friend-zoning you." That doesn't really change anything and shows that we are open to being more than friends.
 
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The ultimate paradox!

Sabrina: Mami, we can't date until you stand up for yourself and stop doing everything I tell you.

Mami: O-okay Sabrina, I-i'll just do what you told me and stand up for myself.

Sabrina: But you're still doing what I told you!

Mami: Please don't leave me!

Sabrina: Homumon, Madomum! Heeeelp!

Homumom: You see Sabrina, when two girls love each other very much sometimes one of them just has to kill everything that could possibly ever threaten the other. It's a part of growing up.

Sabrina: :facepalm:

Madomum: Don't listen to her Mami! The secret is to do absolutely nothing and have a strange person with massive power who knows way more about you then they should appear out of nowhere and suddenly dedicate their life to you. You're doing great so far!

Mami: :D:)
I think Madomum's advice would be more about waiting however long it takes until you get the chance to sacrifice everything for the sake of others, and jump on it.
 
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