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I shouldn't have to point this out (since it's kinda the whole point of the Witchbomb), but Witches are the symptom, not the problem. Killing all Witches will not stop new ones from appearing, or even reduce the rate at which new ones appear. It might even increase that rate.

Stop the problem at its source. Which, on the large-scale, means a systematic solution, not a one- (or two-) person crusade.

In other words, if you don't stop the whole issue of witch-outs first, then you will never actually solve the problem of Witches (and may, indeed, make it worse).
 
Muramasa said:
We generalized and didn't specify on a lot of things. We ended up with Mami apologizing for going against us anyway. Our actions and behavior is not acceptable and a proper apology is in order.
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You know, there's apologizing when you are actually in the wrong, and then there's apologizing because the person you are apologizing to didn't give you the reaction you were looking for. We did the first one. If we continue pushing this issue we will be doing the second. We need to properly apologize for our reckless behavior, but I cannot agree with continuing to apologize about something we've already apologized about until she gives us the "appropriate" response.
 
Kinematics said:
OK, thoughts on the secret reveal, and just how far we want to go with this, and how we want to spin it.

To reveal:
The fact that we're holding more secrets

To not reveal (explicit):
The witchbomb and associations (such as Madoka)

To not reveal (because reasons):
Homura's time loops (not our secret)

Indeterminate:
Magic system (far more detailed than we let on, but still incomplete)
Kyuubey, and the part he plays
Kyuubey's goals (known and speculated)
Some of the people we've met, some that we haven't met yet
Magical powers
Sayaka (wish, despair, death; not Oriko foreknowledge)
Madoka, Hitomi and Kyousuke's relation with Sayaka (blend Madoka in to avoid major Madoka-bombs)
Homura's goals (leave vague)
Mami's life
Kyouko's past (with uncertainties)
Yuma's past
Walpurgisnacht
Risks of the system
Potential solutions being considered
Other?
Skills without history (eg: languages)
Other? (can't think of anything offhand that doesn't tie in to either witchbomb or metaknowledge)



Additional: How much effort do we want to put into making sure Kyuubey can't overhear this?


The witchbomb is painful because there's so much that ties back to that. Metaknowledge is a bit trickier to detail without sounding arrogant and obnoxious. It'll take work to lay it out properly.


Yeah, that's a decent lead in. Emphasize that we're still very fallible, regardless of how much we're trying to do good. Might even try to turn that into how much we need Mami to be her old self, but that's a very awkward hill to climb; only get into that if it can be worked in naturally.

Ugo's vote seems... I dunno.. a poor approach. I don't disagree with any of the individual points, but the way they're collected just seems like it would go badly.
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Say there are secrets we haven't told her, and tell her about the only one that doesn't fit either critieria for us being unable to talk about it? Not seeing the issue.

@Cannongerbil
That seems like a proper apology for everything including the stuff we haven't really gotten around to doing it for...
 
Muramasa said:
Not that I can think of.
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...Then why haven't we already? Added part of Ugo's vote to the end.

[] Apologize to Mami over the things you've realized today about how you've been treating her.
-[] For taking her for granted
-[] For not giving sufficient thought to, asking for, or listening to her opinions
-[] For dragging her out on our personal crusade
-[] For scaring her with our emotional swings
-[] For worrying her, with respect to our dealings with Oriko
-[] For worrying her due to disregard for our personal safety
-[] For trying to do everything ourselves, even when someone else was clearly better suited (ie: diplomacy)
-[] For not trusting enough, and trying to control too much
-[]There are some things I haven't told you. I don't want to keep secrets from you. But some of them aren't mine to tell, and...I'm not sure how to talk about some of the others. And I'm sorry for keeping them from you so far.
-[]If she seems okay or if she asks...Tell her about the metaknowledge. We knew who she was when we met her, the same way we did about the system and Kyubey. We don't know how. We knew who Madoka and Sayaka were too, despite that being impossible...and Homura too. But we were scared to tell her, so we...pretended. We're sorry we kept the truth from her. We knew she was a good person, and we really did want to be her friend.
 
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For trying to control Mami? That, we can definitely do with less of.

Maybe spell out that the line means Mami there?

[]For not trusting her enough.
 
Yup. Thay meguca chick sure witched.
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Given the dust, this happened a long time ago. Before our time.
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"Before our time" isn't saying much.
TheSlayers said:
I don't know if I should keep talking about this since I don't think it CAN be acted on no matter how true I believe it is-
But here's the thing. We are saving the world, or trying at least. Good. But we could do a better job if we just entered Timestop. However, I'm talking about going EVERYWHERE in the world, killing EVERY Witch. Recruiting EVERY Meguca. Stoping mundane problems, too. That's like, a lifetime of work. Or ten. But we could do it.
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That'a asuming we can use timestop that long. We can't. Timestop fatigue is a real thing we've gone through.
Swimmingly said:
Have we tried manipulating a barrier from the outside? Like, forcing the grief matrix into different configurations and such?
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Something for next time we try science.
 
Cannongerbil said:
You know, there's apologizing when you are actually in the wrong, and then there's apologizing because the person you are apologizing to didn't give you the reaction you were looking for. We did the first one. If we continue pushing this issue we will be doing the second. We need to properly apologize for our reckless behavior, but I cannot agree with continuing to apologize about something we've already apologized about until she gives us the "appropriate" response.
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If not to Apologize then to at least address the damage we've done with reducing her to limpet mode.

Mami shouldn't have to feel terrified of disagreeing with us or worried that we'll disappear the moment she isn't looking.
 
Ugolino said:
Hey, we're a whole week old!

[X] Gadjo
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It's like saying: "What? That's impossible, I couldn't have possibly have anything to do with that, it was like, two weeks ago!"

TheSlayers said:
Wasn't that more the players fault? Anyway, the human mind can adapt to nearly anything. I'm sure that done carefully, it would be possible.
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But this is something we do for fun. Same as we dropped everything Sendai related fot today, we're not gonna enter timestop for long periods of time. It just destroys us, the players.
 
TheSlayers said:
Wasn't that more the players fault? Anyway, the human mind can adapt to nearly anything. I'm sure that done carefully, it would be possible.
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You know, while I applaud this general mindset and approach to the problems of being alive, it's really, really, really a bitch to do in actuality. You're not wrong, but I feel like staying away from this particular level of suffering is a good plan.
 
FlatlineAskari said:
An apology's an acknowledgement of fault; it implies that we were doing it wrong and that we're going to change.
We aren't. Quite the opposite. With excellent reason, I might add.
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I don't know, I think you can apologize for something you know you're not going to change; you apologize not for your action, but for a side effect of that action.
 
Gadjo said:
Agreed. You know why we don't time-stop nuke all the witches? Because this isn't MMO Grind Quest: The Search for Phat Loot.
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It's ALSO worth noting that Firn bases Sabrina's Morale off of Player Morale. If we all hate our lives, Sabrina will also hate her life. If we're all just like "FUCK THIS TABLEFLIP", guess what Sabrina's probably gunna do?
 
Crasian01 said:
It's ALSO worth noting that Firn bases Sabrina's Morale off of Player Morale. If we all hate our lives, Sabrina will also hate her life. If we're all just like "FUCK THIS TABLEFLIP", guess what Sabrina's probably gunna do?
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And unfortunately, our morale took a turn for the worse after our failed !!SCIENCE!! experement, and the trouble it caused for Mami and Homura.
 
MissingJimbo said:
And unfortunately, our morale took a turn for the worse after our failed !!SCIENCE!! experement, and the trouble it caused for Mami and Homura.
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Well personally I'm rather indifferent. Shit goes badly all the time in my lab here at Uni, so it's like:

"What did you do Crasian."
"It exploded sir."
"Yes I can see that, HOW did it explode? It was baking soda and vinegar!"
"Well sir, you see, when we <insert long explanation here>."
"<sigh from supervisor> Alright well, clean up and write it down. After all, it's not science if it's not on paper...."

Edit: And that's basically the way I reacted to the update. "Eh, well, write it down and figure out where we went wrong. Somethingsomething more data points."
 
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