Releasing is long term- this is just healing them. Homu will likely be slightly annoyed, yes, but we're not pushing her too far by doing it and better than trying to hide it from her or not doing it.
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Oriko needs a hug.
Ugo's vote should cover the rest of our visit I think.
I still don't understand why we would even want or need a melee weapon anyway, aside from looking cool or something.
We can do everything a melee weapon can do faster and without moving by just using grief.
The only thing I can think of would be throwing our hammer outside our 100 m range as a projectile.
Ugo's vote should cover the rest of our visit I think.
I still don't understand why we would even want or need a melee weapon anyway, aside from looking cool or something.
We can do everything a melee weapon can do faster and without moving by just using grief.
The only thing I can think of would be throwing our hammer outside our 100 m range as a projectile.
I don't like this phrasing; not coming on the heels of our own apology. Even "apology accepted" is a bit much, depending on tone. Just accept it in good grace. Might be easier to make it point form to avoid foot-in-mouth. Something like "Be courteous in accepting her apology."
The rest of the plan feels a bit clunky, but nothing I actually object to.
theauthor
Birdie
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I'm sure homura tolerate us for just a little visit to oriko.
But your long term means 1 week? (About 9 months in real time)
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I don't feel quite comfortable accepting the apology for Sayaka and the others, land mine incident aside...but I'll agree that "apology accepted" has unintended connotations.
Rewording a bit.
[]Accept the apology courteously, but note we're not really the one she should be apologizing to.
[]We want to heal her up and eventually lift their house arrest. We'll try and persuade Homura and Mami.
[]If they want to keep working with us after that, we'd welcome their help. We'd continue to take Oriko's advice and opinions seriously. We want to try and avert her vision- and make sure she has a good end too.
[]Ask to cleanse their Grief Seed and gems if they need it.
[x]We have some questions, if the headaches aren't a problem and she doesn't mind.
-[]Has she seen anything important? Anything involving Witches?
-[]Will Asurano be a problem in the near future?
[]Plan "Try Grief healing item/regular healing". Give Homura and Mami a heads-up.
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Higure
Witch of Faith
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- The Golden Land
Well, sort of. It seems that grief weapons work exactly like one would expect them to. The hammer and blaster and phaser did exactly what they 'should' have done. Its impact power is a standard transmission of whatever physical power we can exert with our body.
The magic hammer, however, is something else entirely. It's lightweight without a specific need to 'remove' that weight. And from the crater hit, it's not just a physical object; it's raw power given a convenient form. It doesn't transmit the physical power exerted directly. It either amplifies that power tremendously, or it doesn't use that power at all, but instead expresses the 'intent' of the strike in some way that bypasses physical rules.
We could probably distinguish between the two by trying two separate hits on the ground — both with the same physical force, but one where we try to hold back as much as possible, to just 'tap' the ground, and another where we try to also push an intent to be as destructive as possible. If there's no difference in the final outcome, it's merely a power amplifier for our physical strength. If there is a difference, then physical strength is secondary to 'will', in terms of doing damage.
Depends on what might be shown by the above experiment. If magic is merely a power amplifier for physical strength, then the versatility of grief is more useful. However if magic is an expression of 'will', then it might be able to substantially exceed what could be done with grief, in certain instances.
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Actually, that reminds me a bit of Walpurgisnacht. It's generally considered to be highly resistant to physical damage, but weak to magical damage. Using the above concepts, we could instead look at it as simply being highly resistant to damage, period, but magic — 'will' — can substantially surpass the amount of force a physical object could produce.
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Crasian01
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Ugo, you're acting unilaterally without taking into account the opinions of your friends.
This is unrealistic. Sabrina might be okay with this, but Oriko and Kirika need to earn the respect and trust of the others before they'll be equals.
Higure
Witch of Faith
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- The Golden Land
I think we're misinterpreting this.
Sabrina made a Grief Warhammer. It worked properly.
She then made it lighter...which was wrong.
She's thinking like a human. Thing's like "weight" and "mass" are silly with Magic.
She just needs to alter its effect...tell it to hit twice as hard as it should, and it will.
Tell it to convert solids to plasma on impact, and it might do that too.
It might also smash a hole between points X and Y (creating a portal), if she tells it to.
Magic only acts like Science if you tell it to. Conceptual and abstract effects are likely possible too.
Again, you might just as well say that Sabrina really ought to be apologizing to Kirika, not Oriko. There's plenty of apologies owed by a bunch of people to a lot of others, across the board. Simply accept it in the manner it was offered, because it's meaningful in and of itself.
Okay, yeah- and that's true.
[x]Accept the apology.
[x]We want to heal her up and eventually lift their house arrest. We'll try and persuade Homura and Mami.
[x]We'd like to keep working with them after that if possible and if they'd still want to. We'd continue to take Oriko's advice and opinions seriously. We want to try and avert her vision- and make sure she has a good end too.
[x]Ask to cleanse their Grief Seed and gems if they need it.
[x]We have some questions, if the headaches aren't a problem and she doesn't mind.
-[x]Has she seen anything important? Anything involving Witches?
-[x]Will Asurano be a problem in the near future?
[x]Plan "Try Grief healing item/regular healing". Give Homura and Mami a heads-up.
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EtchedSteel
*mumble mumble*
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- Lima. Peru
Ugolino said:
Ugo, we kinda can't make that promise. Imply it, maybe, but I don't think is a good idea to be forced to be in the middle of Oriko and Homura because we said it.
This may backfire in the future.
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
- Location
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Yeah, true, but it pays to have something on hand to fence with should the need arises. Also, plasma sword.
What exactly are we giving them a heads up over?
I disagree. This is a statement of intent, not a promise, and we do intend to break Oriko's house arrest eventually, and in fact we did broach upon this matter with Homura earlier, even if we didn't push it.
Crasian01
Insane Incubator
Statements of intent are still things you don't want to say unless you have the whole group in consensus. I don't think it's a good plan to speak for other people and force a situation where you have issues with people being socially culpable to certain actions in order to have sufficient Social Capital to get things done.
Gadjo
Doka
Look, we're just saying that we'll be working to convince our friends to let her go. There's really nothing wrong with that, and we do intend to push for it more the longer we're put off.
Jonen C
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FlatlineAskari
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Regrettably, radiant heat is a thing. Barring exotic mechanisms or flat-out Magical Bullshit, a plasma sword would be very very unhealthy to actually wield.
There are workarounds for that, though-
- Protective gear - somewhere between 'mirror-finished, well insulated armour' and 'battlefield robot with us hiding inside the torso' should do the trick.
- Use 'em as standoff weapons - as projectiles, give them to expendable mooks, familiars, grief drones,
- Make sure your gem's elsewhere and well protected and use them anyway, be a charred skeleton wielding a weapon human eyes can't look at directly, give zero fucks.
We are promising to try.
EtchedSteel
*mumble mumble*
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CannonGerbil said:
I know. Maybe is me reading between the lines, but it sounds like promising for me :\
And well, as Crasian says, is speaking while we're the minority.
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Crasian01
Insane Incubator
This creates expectations. Expectations limit your ability to take actions as you see fit. Operational flexibility demands that you minimize expectations for the sake of accomplishing your goal in the most effective manner possible.
Gadjo
Doka
Regrettably, radiant heat is a thing. Barring exotic mechanisms or flat-out Magical Bullshit, a plasma sword would be very very unhealthy to actually wield.
There are workarounds for that, though-
- Protective gear - somewhere between 'mirror-finished, well insulated armour' and 'battlefield robot with us hiding inside the torso' should do the trick.
- Use 'em as standoff weapons - as projectiles, give them to expendable mooks, familiars, grief drones,friends we aren't particularly attached to, whatever.
- Make sure your gem's elsewhere and well protected and use them anyway, be a charred skeleton wielding a weapon human eyes can't look at directly, give zero fucks.
We are promising to try.
Magic is bullshit. We'll just tell it not to radiate heat.
Yes, it creates the expectation that we will treat her more like an ally and less like a prisoner from now on. We aren't speaking for our whole group, just for ourselves. There's nothing wrong with expressing our personal intent.
Are there any plans on teaching Mami her Rebellion tricks, like the rapid-fire musket array?
She's still firing her rifles one by one in the Sendai conflict/debacle/SNAFU. Maybe in exchange for enchantment or dodge training? We can definitely cover the costs in experimenting with new tricks and techniques.
She's still firing her rifles one by one in the Sendai conflict/debacle/SNAFU. Maybe in exchange for enchantment or dodge training? We can definitely cover the costs in experimenting with new tricks and techniques.
EtchedSteel
*mumble mumble*
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Gadjo said:
Nothing wrong with the personal intent, that's a given. But the point is that we're implying we will try to make it happen.
You don't... dissapoint your allies. Well, at least you try not to.
CompassJimbo
Where’s Your North?
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That definately sounds like something we'll have to do at some point.
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
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...Are we not going to try and release Oriko from house arrest?
Because, as far as I'm aware, getting Oriko released from House arrest is one of the things on our to do list, and has been since the Sendai situation got resolved.
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Gadjo
Doka
But we will try to make it happen. I could understand your trepidation if we honestly didn't want to let her go, but we do personally want to work towards letting her go. Telling her that could make her feel like she's got someone other than Kirika in her corner. I understand that failure is possible, but that's always the case. We're just telling her that we'd rather she wasn't under house arrest, and so we'll work towards convincing the others of the same.