Lights... Camera... ACTION!!: A Hollywood Quest

[Duke William of]

Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

So we have some bad news.

The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it

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TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands.

To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all.

I'll see you all around.

With so many regards, Duke William Of.

 

[overmind]

Sure, but I know that I don't personally support it and it didn't seem that overmind favored that approach either, so I wasn't really going to present it as an option.

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Yeah, I just feel that it's better to collaborate rather than own when it comes to this. We have a good relationship with R. Talsorian Games, so I want us to keep it. Us buying the Forgotten Realms, and letting them do something with it is a good enough deal for both sides in my opinion.

 

[Fanhunter696]

Yeah, I just feel that it's better to collaborate rather than own when it comes to this. We have a good relationship with R. Talsorian Games, so I want us to keep it. Us buying the Forgotten Realms, and letting them do something with it is a good enough deal for both sides in my opinion.

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Three things...

We are not "collaborating" with Taslorian Games, we own them, and the company and their IPs are a part of Lucasfilms

After seeing how great things went with Toho I am against these kinds of collaborations with outsiders like TSR, especially when we can just buy them for a dime and we get all their talents and IPs.

From all the DnD settings you have picked the most generic one, I mean I like the setting, but if we want a new setting for a fantasy RPG we can just make one that is 95% the same and call it a day... There are many more unique and interesting settings in DnD like Planescape, Spelljammer, Dark Sun, etc...

 

[overmind]

Three things...

We are not "collaborating" with Taslorian Games, we own them, and the company and their IPs are a part of Lucasfilms

After seeing how great things went with Toho I am against these kinds of collaborations with outsiders like TSR, especially when we can just buy them for a dime and we get all their talents and IPs.

From all the DnD settings you have picked the most generic one, I mean I like the setting, but if we want a new setting for a fantasy RPG we can just make one that is 95% the same and call it a day... There are many more unique and interesting settings in DnD like Planescape, Spelljammer, Dark Sun, etc...

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Okay:

I was not aware of that, my bad.

We were bitten hard by Toho, but that has not stopped us from collaborating with Columbia for the DCU, or with Daiei with Gamera.

Yeah, I know it's generic, it's supposed to be so that it serves as a base to better expand it and then serve as competition to Dungeons and Dragons. I don't know if TSR already owns said properties, but if so perhaps we can buy it from them and use them, as i'd much rather not buy TSR at all.

 

[Fanhunter696]

We were bitten hard by Toho, but that has not stopped us from collaborating with Columbia for the DCU, or with Daiei with Gamera.

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And I am fine with collaborating with these studios, BUT for things like TSR that we can buy for a mere $10-20 million, I thing is better to just buy them straight up and save us any grief in the future.

Yeah, I know it's generic, it's supposed to be so that it serves as a base to better expand it and then serve as competition to Dungeons and Dragons. I don't know if TSR already owns said properties, but if so perhaps we can buy it from them and use them, as i'd much rather not buy TSR at all.

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I don´t understand why you are so against buying TSR and getting DnD under Lucasfilm... I prefer us to get them rather than Hasbro.

 

[overmind]

I don´t understand why you are so against buying TSR and getting DnD under Lucasfilm... I prefer us to get them rather than Hasbro.

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I guess that's where we disagree. I want TSR to remain to serve as competition, which is why I'd reather buy some properties to build our TTRPG portfolio and face against TSR's.

 

[Schehera Zade]

I guess that's where we disagree. I want TSR to remain to serve as competition, which is why I'd reather buy some properties to build our TTRPG portfolio and face against TSR's.

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Not to mention avoiding bloat. We'll have plenty of our own systems and modules with what Talsorian created, as well as what exists OTL for the IP we have or will own. We don't really need DnD on top of all that.

 

[Fanhunter696]

I guess that's where we disagree. I want TSR to remain to serve as competition, which is why I'd reather buy some properties to build our TTRPG portfolio and face against TSR's.

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Not to mention avoiding bloat. We'll have plenty of our own systems and modules with what Talsorian created, as well as what exists OTL for the IP we have or will own. We don't really need DnD on top of all that.

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I don´t mind competition but I want to buy TSR because I want to be able to use some of their DnD settings for movies, series, cartoons and/or video games.

 

[Schehera Zade]

I don´t mind competition but I want to buy TSR because I want to be able to use some of their DnD settings for movies, series, cartoons and/or video games.

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Which is why overmind brought up just buying Forgotten Realms instead of DnD/TSR as a whole. To get what y'all want while preserving the competition.

 

[overmind]

I don´t mind competition but I want to buy TSR because I want to be able to use some of their DnD settings for movies, series, cartoons and/or video games.

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Well, for Spelljammers, we have the worldseting of Treasure Plannet which we can turn into a TV animated series and TTRPG, I know it's not completely similar, but it's something I guess. For Dungeons and Dragons we can use Forgotten Realms, and Planescape was not created until 1994, so with the right Pitch we can have it be part of our TTRPG's.

 

[Schehera Zade]

On a separate note, @overmind, when do you think we'd release Final Fantasy? What's your preferred time table?

 

[Fanhunter696]

Well, for Spelljammers, we have the worldseting of Treasure Plannet which we can turn into a TV animated series and TTRPG, I know it's not completely similar, but it's something I guess. For Dungeons and Dragons we can use Forgotten Realms, and Planescape was not created until 1994, so with the right Pitch we can have it be part of our TTRPG's. The same with other modules created afterward.

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The thing is that by buying TSR at this point we automatically get all the settings (which is the exact same reason I also want to buy GW once Warhammer is released)... So I would rather buy them now and make sure we get those settings for our future use, we can always let Chaosium (Runequest) and White Wolf (World of Darkness) be our rivals in the TTRPG scene...

 

[Schehera Zade]

The thing is that by buying TSR at this point we automatically get all the settings (which is the exact same reason I also want to buy GW once Warhammer is released)... So I would rather buy them now and make sure we get those settings for our future use, we can always let Runequest and White Wolf be our rivals in the TTRPG scene...

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I've never heard of Runequest, but if you think that White Wolf can somehow keep up with us when we have all of the Talsorian stuff, the Star Wars TTRPGs, the Marvel TTRPGs, the TTRPGs for all our other current and future IP, all of DnD, and Warhammer, then pardon my French, but you're fucking high.

 

[Fanhunter696]

???
I've never heard of Runequest, but if you think that White Wolf can somehow keep up with us when we have all of the Talsorian stuff, the Star Wars TTRPGs, the Marvel TTRPGs, the TTRPGs for all our other current and future IP, all of DnD, and Warhammer, then you're fucking high.

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Runequest was the second most popular TTRPG system in the UK and USA in the 80s and most of the 90s after DnD, it is not precisely an obscure IP...

And you are the ones who want extra competition, I am perfectly happy to get as many interesting IPs and studios under out control as we can... I don´t feel any need to have our rivals "Keep up with us"

Thing is, TSR seems to be one of the biggest competitors there is, and if we take them then we become the Big Cheese. I could be wrong, I'm not as versed in the TTRPG sphere as I'd like, but I do know that when someone thinks of RPG's they immediatelly think of Dungeons and Dragons. I don't think there would be much competition (or a bigger one) if we absorb them.

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As I said before, I had absolutely 0 problems with becoming the Big Cheese in the entertainment industry...

 

[overmind]

On a separate note, @overmind, when do you think we'd release Final Fantasy? What's your preferred time table?

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Well, Final Fantasy is supposed to be played with an analogue to the NES, so technically we could release it around 1985-86 (if we can make use of the technology we have to make a good enough console).

Then again, we could also try and make a TTRPG version of the game in order to create hype for when the veideogame is released, though that idea is a bit iffy in my opinion.

The thing is that by buying TSR at this point we automatically get all the settings (which is the exact same reason I also want to buy GW once Warhammer is released)... So I would rather buy them now and make sure we get those settings for our future use, we can always let Chaosium (Runequest) and White Wolf (World of Darkness) be our rivals in the TTRPG scene...

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Thing is, TSR seems to be one of the biggest competitors there is, and if we take them then we become the Big Cheese. I could be wrong, I'm not as versed in the TTRPG sphere as I'd like, but I do know that when someone thinks of RPG's they immediatelly think of Dungeons and Dragons. I don't think there would be much competition (or a bigger one) if we absorb them.

...But we are buying GW no matter what. I'm not letting them ruin the setting as they so gleefully do at the moment.

Runequest was the second most popular TTRPG system in the UK and USA in the 80s and 90s after DnD, it is not precisely an obscure IP...

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Never heard of it. Sorry.

And you are the ones who want extra competition, I am perfectly happy to get as many interesting IPs and studios under out control as we can... I don´t feel any need to have our rivals "Keep up with us"

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I don't mind getting IP's, I just told you we can buy or get others. I just don't want us to buy the entire company as well.

 

[Schehera Zade]

Well, Final Fantasy is supposed to be played with an analogue to the NES, so technically we could release it around 1985-86 (if we can make use of the technology we have to make a good enough console).

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I was just asking so that I know when to shoot the Undertale pitch for. I was aiming for late 80s-early 90s because of the voice actors, particularly the child voice actors, but also because of the video game concepts present in Undertale like SAVES and LOADS. Makes things easier if video games, and specifically RPGs, are a bit more of a known quantity.

 

[Fanhunter696]

Then again, we could also try and make a TTRPG version of the game in order to create hype for when the veideogame is released, though that idea is a bit iffy in my opinion.

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TBH, the problem with Final Fantasy for a TTRPG system is that the setting completely changes from game to game...

I don't mind getting IP's, I just told you we can buy or get others. I just don't want us to buy the entire company as well.

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I see it the other way... Why bother to negotiate for IPs and risk the Maggose Dice again and against when we can just buy the owners of the IP and get every IP past, present, and future that they have...

As I said before, I have absolutely 0 problem with becoming the Big Cheese in many aspects of the entertainment industry by buying our competitors...

 

[overmind]

I was just asking so that I know when to shoot the Undertale pitch for. I was aiming for late 80s-early 90s because of the voice actors, particularly the child voice actors, but also because of the video game concepts present in Undertale like SAVES and LOADS. Makes things easier if video games, and specifically RPGs, are a bit more of a known quantity.

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Well, if we make a deal with Nintendo like they once tried to do with Atari, then we could make games for the NES and release it earlier.

I see it the other way... Why bother to negotiate for IPs and risk the Maggose Dice again and against when we can just buy the owners of the IP and get every IP past, present, and future that they have...

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But that's part of the fun; knowing that you may fail and then try to find a way to overcome the losses, or make a different path. I know that I would not have made those Gamera Pitches or the idea to revive the franchise if the Toho relationship had not soured. It's always fun to win, but it's also interesting to lose and find different paths.

As I said before, I have absolutely 0 problem with becoming the Big Cheese in many aspects of the entertainment industry by buying our competitors...

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...Iger, is that you?!?

 

[Fanhunter696]

...Iger, is that you?!?

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Dude, that was a low blow...

Besides that @overmind What you do think about trying to buy the Alien IP from Fox? We can work with Cameron in Alien and prevent the embarrassment that has been the Alien franchise from Alien 3 onwards...

We can save the Teeminator and Predator franchises by doing it ourselves first, but for Alien we need to sit with Fox...

 

[overmind]

Dude, that was a low blow...

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Sorry, sorry. Couldn't resist ...

Besides that @overmind What you do think about trying to buy the Alien IP from Fox? We can work with Cameron in Alien and prevent the embarrassment that has been the Alien franchise from Alien 3 onwards...

We can save the Teeminator and Predator franchises by doing it ourselves first, but for Alien we need to sit with Fox...

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I made a Pitch for The Predator so that we could do it, so if the Pitch manages to be written then we're golden. Otherwise, we could always try and contact the writer to produce the film. As for the Alien Franchise, I don't hold that much hope, considering that it's what's basically saved Fox. not to mention Murdoch is in charge and we've burned all our bridges with him.

Terminator might still be on the table though. If we can get in contact with Cameron before he moves to Fox...then again I've heard horror stories about Cameron's directing that make him seem, if not like Kubrick, then at least like a very remote cousin to him.

 

[Fanhunter696]

As for the Alien Franchise, I don't hold that much hope, considering that it's what's basically saved Fox. not to mention Murdoch is in charge and we've burned all our bridges with him.

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Well, we can always buy for a dime it after they butcher Alien 3..

 

[Schehera Zade]

Just stating for the record: I oppose trying to take either Alien or Terminator, as well as the Predator pitch that's already been made.

Well, we can always buy for a dime it after they butcher Alien 3..

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I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to this though. Although I kind of doubt that they'd sell it to us, even if it started failing, but that's up to the rolls ultimately.

 

[overmind]

Well, we can always buy for a dime it after they butcher Alien 3..

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I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to this though. Although I kind of doubt that they'd sell it to us, even if it started failing, but that's up to the rolls ultimately.

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Wish you luck there, but then again, if they did not sell it after Alien 3 or Resurrection, then i don't see it happening.

Just stating for the record: I oppose trying to take either Alien or Terminator, as well as the Predator pitch that's already been made.

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I agree with you on Alien and Terminator, but disagree on The Predator. I think that Franchise has potential, and we can realize it.

 

[Schehera Zade]

I agree with you on Alien and Terminator, but disagree on The Predator. I think that Franchise has potential, and we can realize it.

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It's not a matter of potential, of course it has potential. My problem was that you took away one of Fox's few major franchises. I'll probably just bring some of their later franchises earlier into the timeline as pitches to replace Predator, but it's annoying to see such major IP be swiped from a company that frankly doesn't have much of it that's worth a damn at this point in time in the first place. This problem is compounded because of Carcer's low effort pitch streak(not intended as an insult, but I think we can all agree, and I'm sure he would as well, that he didn't spend much time on them) that ended up taking Home Alone and you previously making an Independence Day pitch. Ice Age is with Universal, and they also definitely aren't going to be able to get X-Men or Fantastic 4. I'm also pretty sure we already have a Percy Jackson pitch.

 

[wabbitking]

I'd really like to own TSR. I'd like to think we can collaborate with them but from what I've read things are a bit volatile over there and if Lorane Williams takes over like OTL then we'd be in trouble because frankly from what I've read of about her I wouldn't trust her not to stab us in the back.

 

[overmind]

It's not a matter of potential, of course it has potential. My problem was that you took away one of Fox's few major franchises. I'll probably just bring some of their later franchises earlier into the timeline as pitches to replace Predator, but it's annoying to see such major IP be swiped from a company that frankly doesn't have much of it that's worth a damn at this point in time in the first place. This problem is compounded because of Carcer's low effort pitch streak(not intended as an insult, but I think we can all agree, and I'm sure he would as well, that he didn't spend much time on them) that ended up taking Home Alone and you previously making an Independence Day pitch. Ice Age is with Universal, and they also definitely aren't going to be able to get X-Men or Fantastic 4. I'm also pretty sure we already have a Percy Jackson pitch.

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...I'm not apologizing for Percy Jackson. I saw the musical and I want an animated adaptation.

Ok, I can see why, but Predator will have a better home with us. Now, if your reason is because Fox has no franchises to speak of, well, there is a studio who just died (*Cough*Warner*Cough*) who just so happens to have had the rights for James Bond, Lethal Weapon, Police Academy, etc. and who might be looking for a new distributor.

Of course, I could probably make a Pitch about them, but I'm kind of busy at the moment. So, there is a chance there for Fox. If you want to give it to them that is...

I'd really like to own TSR. I'd like to think we can collaborate with them but from what I've read things are a bit volatile over there and if Lorane Williams takes over like OTL then we'd be in trouble because frankly from what I've read of about her I wouldn't trust her not to stab us in the back.

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I don't want to collaborate with them, I don't want to buy them. I want to compete with them, that's the difference that seems irreconciliable between us.