Lights... Camera... ACTION!!: A Hollywood Quest

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

So we have some bad news.

The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

I'll see you all around.

With so many regards, Duke William Of.
 
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Well, either that, or we can start using Chicago as another node to release some of the pressure of New York always having to be the center of the Marvel Universe. I'm thinking we could move some of the Defenders there, perhaps X-Force or some of the New Mutants given that the Bang Babies are still going to be a problem in Chicago, etc.

Just suggesting that while we could have Virgil go to New York and join the rest there, we could also make Chicago a new place with its own dynamics, which could certainly help for the creativity of many different writers or artists that want to do something new, yet can't because New York is just so crammed in with Superheroes in every corner. I know this has been tried before with West Coast Avengers, but in the end they never put many of the Heavy Hitters there to anchor it, and many just went back to New York leaving the dregs behind. This time, with Virgil serving as the Main Anchor, we could have a good enough roster of B-Listers (and perhaps another A-Lister) to settle in Chicago to then attracht and create another node.
I honestly really like the idea of Chicago as another node for the Marvel universe. It desperately needs it. For the Bang Babies, I assume they're just going to be people who had latent X-Genes activated through the event or something?
Unless Miles Morales gets a personality then I'll be against him. The guy just doesn't seem to have anything going for him save for Marvel always trying to make us think he's Spider-Man.

Personally, I'm all for Ben Reilly becoming the next Spider-Man with a better written Clone Sage, one that still keeps as Peter as the wise mentor, and Mayday as his daughter.
Preach! More than anything about Miles Morales, I just can't stand how boring he is. There's so little too him that I just can't stand it. There's also the fact that I hate him getting paired up with Gwen Stacy nowadays, but that's more of a beef I have with Gwen then I do with Miles. Like, seriously? Your Peter just died in your arms in an extremely traumatizing death in which you and the rest of your city blames you for, only to end up in parallel world and immediately try jumping some other dudes bones? I can't stand it, it's so unbelievable and degrading to her character and the trauma she'd be experiencing.

Hell yeah! I really miss Mayday and I always love seeing Ben Reilly getting some more love. Seriously, fuck that new evil Ben Reilly bullshit.
But yes, I can't wait to see how Static stacks up against Electro or Magneto.
Eh, fights between people with nearly identical powers are rarely interesting just because there's little that they can actually do that the other can't.
Same, I would like him to be properly recognized, and perhaps helping in guiding the next generation of heroes since while he does not have the full powers of Captain America, he's still the closest they got.
I've never been a fan of Isaiah Bradley, mostly because my first exposure to him was Falcon and the Winter Soldier(I'm a DC nerd, not a Marvel one), but if you can make him interesting, I say go for it.
...I suddenyl want some Omakes about Bruce's life and success in the 50s, perhaps going against McCarthy and accusing him of being a communist.
Why? It's already established fact that McCarthy was proven correct by things like the Venona Papers, declassified Soviet intelligence and more. Hell, one of the people who founded the committee that would eventually become the House Committee on Un-American Activities, tasked in part with going after Soviet agents and sympathizers, was literally a Soviet agent. Then of course there's stuff like Harry Dexter White, the Cambridge 5, Yuri Bezmenov, Frankfurt School, etc etc. Dude may not have been 100% on everything, but he was right on a lot more than people give him credit for. Frankly, McCarthyism is a misattributed concept. Honestly though, I think I mostly just don't like the fact that he wasn't fully wrong, but he was still systematically destroyed by his political enemies until he drank himself to death. Feels bad to see. Kind of like Randy Weaver of the Ruby Ridge siege. Dude wasn't a good man by any stretch, but knowing that he was dealt an injustice and learning about how much of a broken man he became after the whole thing and losing his wife and son... it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I don't know, maybe I shouldn't be discussing that here, but that's just how I feel about it all, I guess.
 
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Unless Miles Morales gets a personality then I'll be against him. The guy just doesn't seem to have anything going for him save for Marvel always trying to make us think he's Spider-Man.
Miles has been given the short-stick by recent comics recently enough, ironically because they keep trying to make him seem very special when he's really not. Y'know, I've got some ideas for Miles Morales. :)

For one, you know how Peter got the whole Spider-Totem thing and how that spiraled out of control? What if we gave the mystical powers to him instead, with him having gained his powers from touching a spider totem during a field trip gone wrong? It vould explain the stranger abilities he has from Peter, but he'd need some debuffs. Probably reduce the strength and spider-sense he has. He could also be called Anansi instead of Spider-Man, so that it's not him replacing Peter as Spider-Man while also not sticking him with a sidekick name like Kid Flash or Superboy.

This could also extend to his rogues gallery, with them being more magical and esoteric in nature. Frost Pharoah(blegh), Ezekiel Simms(more of an antagonist than an actual villain), Shathra, etc.

He's also more artistically-minded than Peter, preferring art and music over chemistry and physics. He's not an idiot, of course, but he tends to space out when you start talking about sufficiently-advanced technology and what-not.
 
Big question here, @Magoose, did anything change in Marvel's treatment of these guys:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Pygh3A4bY

With the whole changes going on with the Noir line, then eventually us buying them, did anything change here? Wendy Pini is an amazing storyteller and artist, and with the changes we''ve made to the entire animation and comic book landscape (or will be making once our new comics are published) then perhaps they might be willing to give Marvel another chance, or perhaps try for DreamWorks for their pitch for Elfquest?

Edit: Also, Wendy was a huge fan of anime, one of the few who'd watched it by then in OTL, but now with its proliferation thanks to our alliance with Sunrise, I would think her idea would find more acceptance this time around.
 
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Well, either that, or we can start using Chicago as another node to release some of the pressure of New York always having to be the center of the Marvel Universe. I'm thinking we could move some of the Defenders there, perhaps X-Force or some of the New Mutants given that the Bang Babies are still going to be a problem in Chicago, etc.

Just suggesting that while we could have Virgil go to New York and join the rest there, we could also make Chicago a new place with its own dynamics, which could certainly help for the creativity of many different writers or artists that want to do something new, yet can't because New York is just so crammed in with Superheroes in every corner. I know this has been tried before with West Coast Avengers, but in the end they never put many of the Heavy Hitters there to anchor it, and many just went back to New York leaving the dregs behind. This time, with Virgil serving as the Main Anchor, we could have a good enough roster of B-Listers (and perhaps another A-Lister) to settle in Chicago to then attracht and create another node.

I think it would make sense for Chicago to be a place for some Mutant heroes to rise but be separate for the X-men, maybe have Chicago become a Liberal city in its treatment of Mutants in comparison to New York. Also, since Chicago is on the Great Lakes, I guess that would make Static eligible for the Great Lakes Avengers. I could see him either being the head of the team or an honorary member like Spider-Man and the fantastic four. Chicago would also be a decent place to dump some original or purchased characters.

Yeah it does get kind of stupid after a while how literally the entire universe revolves around New York and you can't move a block in Manhattan without running into a super hero. Really stretches your disbelief on why anyone would stay in the hellhole that is NYC with its daily supervillain battles and weekly apocalypses. What other cities do you think could work as great nodes?

I think the West Coast Avengers here have a shot at longevity if they're centered around Wonder Man. I think Wonder Man has a real shot at becoming a A-lister here thanks to Bruce and the idea of a actor super hero would be awesome for Bruce fans with Wonder Man comics essentially being Superhero Bruce. Also helps that Wonder Man looks like Bruce kinda. Add wacky Hollywood adventures with cool superhero stuff and the Wonder Man line could be great, and thus a staple for West Coast Avengers with Marvel putting in more effort thanks to them being a Lucasfilms company.

It'd also be cool to develop some of the international heroes. I do have an idea in the works for a Peni Parker comic which could exist thanks to Pacific Rim's success, with Peni being more like The Big O than Evangelion.

Unless Miles Morales gets a personality then I'll be against him. The guy just doesn't seem to have anything going for him save for Marvel always trying to make us think he's Spider-Man.

Personally, I'm all for Ben Reilly becoming the next Spider-Man with a better written Clone Sage, one that still keeps as Peter as the wise mentor, and Mayday as his daughter.

Literally just use Spiderverse Miles for 616 Miles character and personality. It's the perfect template and Spiderverse Miles is honestly one of the best Spider people period. Problem in OTL is that comic Miles is either a social prop or just bland and in the various shows he's been in, Miles has mainly been treated by the writers as "Oh my God, look it's Miles, he's so cool" without giving Miles flaws or making him have interesting traits, i.e he's fanservice for the Spiderverse fans. Insomniac does come close but Miles' standalone game was hampered by a boring overall plot. Spiderverse Miles would be pretty good template for a legacy comics character.

Marvel definitely needs more Mayday and it's hillarious how Quesada was proven so wrong when Dad Peter and Mayday were some of the absolute highlights and fan favorites of Across the Spiderverse. I don't want Quesada to come anywhere close to Marvel, but it'd be hillarious for him with a straight face to try and tell Bruce "I love being a parent" O'Brian that Peter being a Dad sucks.

Are we still gonna have Annie Parker be born and be Peter's second child?
 
I think it would make sense for Chicago to be a place for some Mutant heroes to rise but be separate for the X-men, maybe have Chicago become a Liberal city in its treatment of Mutants in comparison to New York. Also, since Chicago is on the Great Lakes, I guess that would make Static eligible for the Great Lakes Avengers. I could see him either being the head of the team or an honorary member like Spider-Man and the fantastic four. Chicago would also be a decent place to dump some original or purchased characters.
I'm thinking that with the "Bang Babies" suddenly being a thing, Chicago had to make laws to deal with them, and since they're basically still human they all basically saying "If they attack, then criminials, if not then tolerate them". Thus they did not get to abuse them or put them in camps, but instead have them be in holding facilities that can better neutralize their powers. Then the mutants appear, and rather than create a whole new set of laws for them politicians just go "Fuck it, treat them like the Bang Babies."

I'm thinking of X-Factor using it as a base. At the moment it should include the entire original roster of the X-Men, so them using Chicago as their new base (and finding a place that is not going at their throats from the moment they see them) must be seen as validation that their efforts are bearing fruit.

Cloak and Dagger are another, they never got enough exposure in my opinion despite their powers being cool.

At the moment we have Hank Pym as Yellowjacket work with the Avengers (and God willing we'll avoid that disastrous page that ruined his reputation for the rest of time), but we can have Scott Lang become the second Ant Man in Chicago. He was just created a couple of years back, so him moving places is not out of the blue. Perhaps he wins the custody battle for his daughter, or loses it and has to leave. Either way, it's a new beginning.

And if we want an orgnization that sets up shop there, there's always the Agents of Atlas as well, with Jimmy Woo at their head.

Hmm, yeah I can see Static as an Honorary Member of them, but I think we should hold up on that until the foundations are set (I.E. have more heroes and B-Listers in the city).
Yeah it does get kind of stupid after a while how literally the entire universe revolves around New York and you can't move a block in Manhattan without running into a super hero. Really stretches your disbelief on why anyone would stay in the hellhole that is NYC with its daily supervillain battles and weekly apocalypses. What other cities do you think could work as great nodes?
I'm thinking New Orleans and Miami as two possible places where we could send and/or create new heroes. Mostly for the historical relevance and the gateway for immigration as well.
Literally just use Spiderverse Miles for 616 Miles character and personality. It's the perfect template and Spiderverse Miles is honestly one of the best Spider people period. Problem in OTL is that comic Miles is either a social prop or just bland and in the various shows he's been in, Miles has mainly been treated by the writers as "Oh my God, look it's Miles, he's so cool" without giving Miles flaws or making him have interesting traits, i.e he's fanservice for the Spiderverse fans. Insomniac does come close but Miles' standalone game was hampered by a boring overall plot. Spiderverse Miles would be pretty good template for a legacy comics character.
Alright, but he can't be Spider-Man. That spot should be reserved for Ben Reilly (and whoever comes after him, i don't know). Instead we can have him be called Anansi like Cyber suggested.
Are we still gonna have Annie Parker be born and be Peter's second child?
I would say, not for a while. Let's wait for May to grow up a bit first.
 
Alright, but he can't be Spider-Man. That spot should be reserved for Ben Reilly (and whoever comes after him, i don't know). Instead we can have him be called Anansi like Cyber suggested.
All around me are familiar faces...

:p

I'm thinking New Orleans and Miami as two possible places where we could send and/or create new heroes. Mostly for the historical relevance and the gateway for immigration as well.
For my own suggestions, we could have the Fantastic Four be based in Cape Canaveral, near NASA HQ, and have Iron Man based in San Jose, which is near Silicon Valley.
 
All around me are familiar faces...

:p
My bad, I meaant what you suggested.

Sorry:(
For my own suggestions, we could have the Fantastic Four be based in Cape Canaveral, near NASA HQ, and have Iron Man based in San Jose, which is near Silicon Valley.
I'm against it. I only think we should move some of the less popular characters, the rest remain in New York as they are iconic already there.
 
It'd also be cool to develop some of the international heroes. I do have an idea in the works for a Peni Parker comic which could exist thanks to Pacific Rim's success, with Peni being more like The Big O than Evangelion.
Lol, I just gathered some images for a Peni Parker pitch that was going to be leaning into the Evangelion influence. I don't mind dropping it though, better to leave it in the hands of someone who's no doubt more familiar(I've only watched a few episodes of EVA and didn't like it. I'm kind of passed the point of it being relatable and instead they're all just annoying). I do really like Peni Parker though, so I'll just ask if you could make more use of their Venom as a virus concept? I feel like it was very underutilized overall and didn't actually contribute much.

I'll also put up the images if you'd like, if you can find any use for them.
 
Lol, I just gathered some images for a Peni Parker pitch that was going to be leaning into the Evangelion influence. I don't mind dropping it though, better to leave it in the hands of someone who's no doubt more familiar(I've only watched a few episodes of EVA and didn't like it. I'm kind of passed the point of it being relatable and instead they're all just annoying). I do really like Peni Parker though, so I'll just ask if you could make more use of their Venom as a virus concept? I feel like it was very underutilized overall and didn't actually contribute much.

I'll also put up the images if you'd like, if you can find any use for them.

Well tbf it's not like I read the Peni comics either. I was gonna read the comics over the course of the next month and if I really vibed with the character I was gonna make something of a pitch. I don't mind you writing the pitch instead though or it having some Evangelion vibes.

To explain my statement on comics Peni likely not being from Evangelion, our Peni being born from Evangelion makes sense cause Eva is one of the top tier anime and it's a good spot for a teenage superhero with deconstruction aspects. However here, there is no Eva and like I pointed out before, more mecha anime would take influence and inspiration from Pacific Rim so I think comic Peni's story would be more optimistic and hopeful, maybe with some Gurren Lagan coolness than the angst train from what I've read and watched.

I do think though that it would be natural for Peni to be born in 80s Marvel and that she'll most likely make a big debut soon. Here, Noir already proved the success of the Spiderverse concept. Spider-Man Japan was a big hit and Lucasfilms as a whole has a lot of Japanese employment and influence. Stan is taking inspiration from manga. A lot of Marvel writers and editors are probably big fans of Dreamworks and Sunrise. Mecha and robots are the hot new genre. Miraculous has proven the vitality of female teenage superheroes. Add all of this together and Peni Parker would be the perfect character to fit audience demand and be a reflection of 80s Marvel and the Quest butterflies.
 
Well tbf it's not like I read the Peni comics either. I was gonna read the comics over the course of the next month and if I really vibed with the character I was gonna make something of a pitch. I don't mind you writing the pitch instead though or it having some Evangelion vibes.
I meant someone familiar with Eva, not with Peni Parker, since like I've said, I've only seen a few episodes of Eva and have some knowledge through pop culture osmosis, but that's about it. I've read some of the Peni Parker comics, which is why I'm familiar with what they did with Venom, but I'm not overly familiar with it. Honestly though, probably for the best that I don't do it. I've been extremely burnt out recently and I still have a ton that I need to put out. I don't think if I did it that it'd come out any good. I will still try and help you if I can though with whatever I do know about it. I'd hate to be a layabout.

Although, on top of the Peni Parker retro anime-style images that I have, I also have some for Spy X Family and Cyberpunk Edgerunners if you'd like those? I'm sure someone's gonna want to make pitches for them.
To explain my statement on comics Peni likely not being from Evangelion, our Peni being born from Evangelion makes sense cause Eva is one of the top tier anime and it's a good spot for a teenage superhero with deconstruction aspects. However here, there is no Eva and like I pointed out before, more mecha anime would take influence and inspiration from Pacific Rim so I think comic Peni's story would be more optimistic and hopeful, maybe with some Gurren Lagan coolness than the angst train from what I've read and watched.
No need to explain lol, I knew what you meant. I was referring to the Eva influence in a more meta sense, as in, still influenced by Eva even though it doesn't exist yet. Ironically, even further cutting any reason for Eva to exist than just Pacific Rim lol, but I wanted to do that because with the diminished significance of Eva and with Disney shopping around for "serious anime with robots and/or aliens," I thought "why not give Disney Eva?" Full disclosure though, I was only keeping to the Eva influence because I only have 3 of those fake anime pictures for Peni and 2 of them were Spiderverse related stills and the third was more in line with the Eva influence, so I thought why not keep to it. Especially since I really wanted to emphasize virus Venom more. I do agree though that it would probably moreso resemble Gurren Lagan than anything else, but I honestly feel like any of the influences that have been discussed could work.

I do think though that it would be natural for Peni to be born in 80s Marvel and that she'll most likely make a big debut soon. Here, Noir already proved the success of the Spiderverse concept. Spider-Man Japan was a big hit and Lucasfilms as a whole has a lot of Japanese employment and influence. Stan is taking inspiration from manga. A lot of Marvel writers and editors are probably big fans of Dreamworks and Sunrise. Mecha and robots are the hot new genre. Miraculous has proven the vitality of female teenage superheroes. Add all of this together and Peni Parker would be the perfect character to fit audience demand and be a reflection of 80s Marvel and the Quest butterflies.
Oh , for sure. 100% not even a question.

EDIT: I just realized that I misremembered and that Venom is actually just another mech in the Peni Parker universe and that the virus idea was actually something that I came up with myself that I thought would have been better and I apparently deluded myself into thinking that's what actually happened and that in actuality, it only kind of does that. 😅
 
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I'm thinking that with the "Bang Babies" suddenly being a thing, Chicago had to make laws to deal with them, and since they're basically still human they all basically saying "If they attack, then criminials, if not then tolerate them".
I really liked what they did with the worldbiilding of Code 8 [and sequel], where folks with powers tended to have a greater than normal chance to get hired in factory and manufacturing jobs [prior to a "Supes backlash" ala Watchmen and Incredibles], so I can see a more liberal city be willing to hire a down on his luck pyro getting a welding job and the like, especially with its history as a manufacturing city.
Alright, but he can't be Spider-Man. That spot should be reserved for Ben Reilly (and whoever comes after him, i don't know). Instead we can have him be called Anansi like Cyber suggested.
For the MCAU, I had a vague plan to have Miles (based on Spiderverse) be a Spider-Man for a number of years, between Spider-Gwen's turn at the mantle as the primary Spider and the rise of Ben Reilly (and other clone co).

[EDIT: Pretty sure I posted an outline about this earlier in thread too, now that I think about it.]
Wait since we own Hanabarbara does that mean we have pink panther too
Yes, but no. The rights to the cartoon maybe, but not the rights to the films the cartoon is based on.
 
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Wise Guys: by Dave Alistair and Bruce O'Brian [ Comedy (Parody) / Slice of Life ]
+15 to SP.
TV Show Pitch:
Psych
Can be produced.
Marval can now potentially create Static, as long as it is set in Chicago, or the midwest.
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Big question here, @Magoose, did anything change in Marvel's treatment of these guys:
They were unfortunately sent packing before Stan and Company were basically saving everything. So no.
 
Static would be awesome for marvel and DreamWorks just really loved that show ~

Hmm though if use same origins wonder how Magneto and brotherhood would feel about bang babies.
 
They were unfortunately sent packing before Stan and Company were basically saving everything. So no.
Well shite.

Truth be told I don't know if we should get involved with them or not. on the one hand, they are the kind of people that Bruce would get along perfectly well and become friends with. On the other hand, the video makes it clear that all they had to go through taught them some valuable lessons in life and in making the entire Elfquest story from beginning to end.

I'm stumped as to whether to offer them to make an animated version of their movie or not.
 
DC Comics+Charlton Comics Collaboration Pitch: The Watchmen
Alright, so I'm making an executive decision. I've decided to simply release the Watchmen pitch as is because the accompanying omake is simply taking too long. I've been sitting on this for a while, intending to release it alongside the omake, but there's a lot of bloat that I've had to cut in the omake and it's been really demotivating me about working on it, but now that a lot of it's been finally cut, it should hopefully not take much longer(I wouldn't hold my breath though). I wanted to make a couple of changes, like making the original team be called the Minutemen in order to play with the time and clock theme, or making Ozymandias' plan the one from the film to use nukes instead of the giant squid since I like the framing of this mad man, driven by his ego and self delusions, nuking the world in order to stop the world from nuking itself. It's poetic in a way that I really like and it actually makes use of the fear being generated about Dr Manhattan. Ultimately though, I'm just deciding to leave it as OTL so as to not give myself more work right now since I want to work on other shit right now. As you can tell, this is intended to be a collaboration between DC Comics and Charlton Comics. The general idea is that instead of buying up Charlton like they did in OTL and ordering a story to be made with the characters as a gift to Giordano, DC instead simply chooses to reach out for a collaboration on this story as a gift dedicated to Giordano. The deal would generally follow along the lines of split profits, shared recognition, DC owning the rights but selling them back to Charlton, etc etc. Along with that, I had one artist and one writer from both companies each working on this project. For DC, I obviously chose the original creators, Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons. For the Charlton line up, I picked out some interesting ones. Noelle Meinhardt(Yes, like the character from Worm. No, that's not indicative of anything else, I just like the sound of the name) as the writer is literally just an OC I'm using to help justify some of the transplants/new stuff/pitches for Charlton. I'm trying to focus more on horror/darker, more gritty content with her, but that's not guaranteed and it could certainly branch out as needs arise. I may or may not decide to flesh her out more at some later date, but not for some time, I think. For the artist, I chose Denys Cowan. Cowan is one of the people I scouted for a spot as a consistent Charlton talent because of his history working on the Question with Dennis O'Neil, as well as things like his talent(I really like his art) and his availability. His wikipedia page says that his first published work was in the 80s, and given that Charlton has the reputation of being a place you can break into the industry, as well as it's resurgence and the fact that Cowan didn't actually do all that much during the 80s until he ended up co-founding Milestone, I felt that he'd be perfect as a staple talent of 80s Charlton. There's also the fact that I simply think that his art style lends itself well to the look and feel of the Watchmen comics. Anyways, apologies @Fanhunter696 for taking so long to get this out for you and that it's missing the omake, but I hope you enjoy it nonetheless. The same for everyone else. So without further ado...I hope ya'll enjoy!

DC Comics+Charlton Comics Collaboration Pitch:
The Watchmen

Writer: Alan Moore and Noelle Meinhardt
Artist: Dave Gibbons and Denys Cowan
SET UP: In an alternate 1985 America, costumed vigilante Rorschach uncovers a plot to kill and discredit all past and present superheroes after the murder of one of his former comrades, the government sanctioned hero, The Comedian. As he reconnects with his retired associates, only one of which has true powers, Rorschach glimpses a far-reaching conspiracy involving their shared past and catastrophic consequences for the world's future.
In October 1985, New York City detectives are investigating the murder of Edward Blake. With the police having no leads, costumed vigilante Rorschach decides to probe further. Rorschach deduces Blake to have been the true identity of The Comedian, a costumed hero employed by the U.S. government, after finding his costume and signature smiley-face pin badge. Rorschach believes he has discovered a plot to terminate costumed adventurers and sets about warning four of his retired comrades: Daniel Dreiberg (an inventor and formerly the second Nite Owl), the superpowered and emotionally detached Jon Osterman (codenamed Doctor Manhattan), his lover Laurie Juspeczyk (the second Silk Spectre), and Adrian Veidt (once the hero Ozymandias, and now a successful businessman).

Dreiberg, Veidt, and Manhattan attend Blake's funeral, where Dreiberg tosses Blake's pin badge in his coffin before he is buried. Manhattan is later accused on national television of being the cause of cancer in friends and former colleagues. When the government takes the accusations seriously, Manhattan exiles himself to Mars. As the U.S. depends on Manhattan as a strategic military asset, his departure throws humanity into political turmoil, with the Soviets invading Afghanistan to capitalize on the perceived American weakness. Rorschach's concerns appear validated when Veidt narrowly survives an assassination attempt. Rorschach himself is framed for murdering a former supervillain named Moloch. Though he attempted to flee from the authorities, Rorschach is ultimately captured and unmasked as Walter Kovacs.

Neglected in her relationship with the once-human Manhattan, whose now-godlike powers and transformation have removed him completely from the everyday concerns of living beings, and no longer kept on retainer by the government, Juspeczyk stays with Dreiberg. They begin a romance, don their costumes, and resume vigilante work as they grow closer together. With Dreiberg starting to believe some aspects of Rorschach's conspiracy theory, the pair take it upon themselves to break him out of prison. After looking back on his own personal history, Manhattan places the fate of his involvement with human affairs in Juspeczyk's hands. He teleports her to Mars to make the case for emotional investment. During the course of the argument, Juspeczyk is forced to come to terms with the fact that Blake, who once attempted to rape her mother (the original Silk Spectre), was, in fact, her biological father following a second, consensual relationship. This discovery, reflecting the complexity of human emotions and relationships, reignites Manhattan's interest in humanity.

On Earth, Nite Owl and Rorschach continue to uncover the conspiracy and find evidence that Veidt may be behind the plan. Rorschach writes his suspicions about Veidt in his journal, in which he has been recording his entire investigation, and mails it to New Frontiersman, a local right-wing newspaper. The pair then confront Veidt at his Antarctic retreat. Veidt explains his underlying plan is to save humanity from impending nuclear war by faking an alien invasion in New York, which will annihilate half the city's population. He hopes this will unite the superpowers against a perceived common enemy. He also reveals that he had murdered The Comedian when he discovered his plan, arranged for Manhattan's past associates to contract cancer, staged the attempt on his own life in order to place himself above suspicion, and killed Moloch in order to frame Rorschach. This was all done in an attempt to prevent his plan from being exposed. Nite Owl and Rorschach find Veidt's logic callous and abhorrent. They say that they will stop him, but Veidt reveals that he already enacted his plan before they arrived.

When Manhattan and Juspeczyk arrive back on Earth, they are confronted by mass destruction and death in New York, with a gigantic squid-like creature, created by Veidt's laboratories, dead in the middle of the city. Manhattan notices his prescient abilities are limited by tachyons emanating from the Antarctic and the pair teleport there. They discover Veidt's involvement and confront him. Veidt shows everyone news broadcasts confirming that the emergence of a new threat has indeed prompted peaceful co-operation between the superpowers; this leads almost all present to agree that concealing the truth is in the best interests of world peace. Rorschach refuses to compromise and leaves, intent on revealing the truth. As he is making his way back, he is confronted by Manhattan who argues that at this point, the truth can only hurt. Rorschach declares that Manhattan will have to kill him to stop him from exposing Veidt, which Manhattan duly does. Manhattan then wanders through the base and finds Veidt, who asks him if he did the right thing in the end. Manhattan cryptically responds that "nothing ever ends" before leaving Earth. Dreiberg and Juspeczyk go into hiding under new identities and continue their romance.

Back in New York, the editor at New Frontiersman asks his assistant to find some filler material from the "crank file", a collection of rejected submissions to the paper, many of which have not yet been reviewed. The series ends with the young man reaching toward the pile of discarded submissions, near the top of which is Rorschach's journal.
 
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Alright, so I'm making an executive decision. I've decided to simply release the Watchmen pitch as is because the accompanying omake is simply taking too long. I've been sitting on this for a while, intending to release it alongside the omake, but there's a lot of bloat that I've had to cut in the omake and it's been really demotivating me about working on it, but now that a lot of it's been finally cut, it should hopefully not take much longer(I wouldn't hold my breath though). I wanted to make a couple of changes, like making the original team be called the Minutemen in order to play with the time and clock theme, or making Ozymandias' plan the one from the film to use nukes instead of the giant squid since I like the framing of this mad man, driven by his ego and self delusions, nuking the world in order to stop the world from nuking itself. It's poetic in a way that I really like and it actually makes use of the fear being generated about Dr Manhattan. Ultimately though, I'm just deciding to leave it as OTL so as to not give myself more work right now since I want to work on other shit right now.
Bother. For all that the movie followed the comic (frame by frame on occasions) the one thing I think they did better in my opinion was removing the squid monster and make it so that anyone and everyone thought it had been Dr. Manhattan the one who had attacked everyone. The fight scene between Manhattan and Ozymandias (if that could even be called a fight) was also one of the highlights in the film, if only because of the badass monologue Ozymandias received. The smartest man in the world being shown to be utterly useless when facing a god.

Well, this works as well nonetheless. Does this mean that DC still buys the characters?
 
Bother. For all that the movie followed the comic (frame by frame on occasions) the one thing I think they did better in my opinion was removing the squid monster and make it so that anyone and everyone thought it had been Dr. Manhattan the one who had attacked everyone. The fight scene between Manhattan and Ozymandias (if that could even be called a fight) was also one of the highlights in the film, if only because of the badass monologue Ozymandias received. The smartest man in the world being shown to be utterly useless when facing a god.
Agreed. For all that I typically despise Snyder's work, he did really well on Watchmen and I think he honestly understood the material better than Moore did. Alas, I had to leave it as is because otherwise I'd be a much bigger workload than I'm looking for right now, and the only alternative would have been to delete the summary and explain changes through it's own little spoiler box, but that would mean the pitch is drastically smaller and I didn't want to do that.
Well, this works as well nonetheless. Does this mean that DC still buys the characters?
No, they're essentially being leased over to DC for a single story(this one) on certain conditions like the team of 2 Charlton and 2 DC people, divvying up profits, DC owning the rights to the story and characters but Charlton essentially being contractually(not literally, but you get my drift) obligated to purchase it from them, etc. When I say that they're collaborating, think of it like the Just Imagine Stan Lee Creating the DC Universe books or like Amalgam. It's specifically being marketed as a collaborative project between Charlton and DC.
 
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No, they're essentially being leased over to DC for a single story(this one) on certain conditions like the team of 2 Charlton and 2 DC people, divvying up profits, DC owning the rights to the story and characters but Charlton essentially being contractually(not literally, but you get my drift) obligated to purchase it from them, etc. When I say that they're collaborating, think of it like the Just Imagine Stan Lee Creating the DC Universe books or like Amalgam.
Wait, why would DC accept this kind of deal? I mean, yeah they get some collaboration and income, but even so they are still the greater company even with the recent upturn in fortunes of Charlston, they could easily buy the characters to make the comic on their own.

If anything, since this was Moore's idea, I could see him going to Charlston temporarily to work on this before goiung back to DC. It's not like this hasn't happened before; both Marvel and DC have had their own artists/writers/inkers/etc, work on both sides occasionally (though I think this was done under the table as it were).
 
Wait, why would DC accept this kind of deal? I mean, yeah they get some collaboration and income, but even so they are still the greater company even with the recent upturn in fortunes of Charlston, they could easily buy the characters to make the comic on their own.

If anything, since this was Moore's idea, I could see him going to Charlston temporarily to work on this before goiung back to DC. It's not like this hasn't happened before; both Marvel and DC have had their own artists/writers/inkers/etc, work on both sides occasionally (though I think this was done under the table as it were).
Believe me, I hear you, but there is a method to the madness(I hope😅). First, they can't buy the characters because Jeff Rovin, who has been placed as head of Charlton, is very specifically not selling. This was supposed to be explained in the omake(particularly in more depth, but I've had to trim a lot of it), but Rovin is basically refusing to sell to anyone, even when that seemed to be the conventional wisdom of what was going to happen. Rovin was initially placed in charge with the intention to make Charlton a more attractive purchase as well as maybe earn them a bit more money on the way out, since it was pretty much an unspoken truth that Charlton was going to be sold off. To accomplish this, he was given basically carte blanche to do whatever it took to make the company look more attractive to a potential buyer. Instead of just rolling over and prepping Charlton to be sold to the likes of DC or Marvel though, he instead cancelled a lot of the other titles being put out by Charlton, did some basic reforming and restructuring of the company, and then banked everything on putting out a couple of successful series that would revitalize their fortunes, and this started with Doomsday Clock. Given Rovin's history of having been psuedo-blacklisted from the comics industry after his involvement with Atlas Seaboard, I felt like he wouldn't want to give up this opportunity so easily, and so he instead sought to do his own thing and turn Charlton around. He still intends to get the company sold, since they realistically simply can't continue to operate fully independently and is part of the reason why the guys above him aren't wringing his neck, but he's aiming for a purchase by someone from outside the comics industry that would keep Charlton around instead of them simply getting absorbed. If you remember, I talked about how I wanted to position Charlton Comics to be purchased by Rupert Murdoch as part of his push to exert his beliefs and influence through media, which has been established previously, and essentially shift Charlton into the "Fox News of Comics."
The secondary reason, and what is honestly the primary reason, is simply because this was the compromise that I came to with Fanhunter. Fanhunter was very upset about my moves with Charlton, specifically because of how it would deprive DC of The Watchmen, which he described as being something that was beloved to him, as well as being something that was apparently rather pivotal in changes made with DC internal management. I came to this compromise with him that Charlton and DC would instead collaborate on making the Watchmen, thereby allowing Watchmen to exist, as well as allowing them to reap the OTL rewards of having produced it, but Charlton stays unabsorbed. I get that it doesn't make the most sense, but this is what I have to work with.
 
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