TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands.
To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.
I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.
I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.
I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all.
Carrie, I love you just as much as everyone else, but I would feel much more comfortable if you were old enough to drink in California before talking about having children...
I mean hypothetically if Bruce and Carrie conceive now then she'll become a mother when she turns 21. Also the "Do super mature stuff after drinking age" argument falls flat when they married after Carrie turned 18 and the marriage has been going strong and more than five years prior you had 18 year olds fighting and dying in Vietnam. 21 was a common-ish time for parenthood at this time and both Bruce and Carrie have their work-life priorities straight and have absolutely zero financial worries.
In OTL, The Conan script was rather... not in keeping with the books, and followed a none book adventure of Conan, rather then try to follow Conans Journey from the beginning.
Okay how about this:
--[] Change the script to be a more faithful adaptation of the Conan books to have the movie be the first of a Saga and chronologically accurate to his character biography. Mix in Conan's earliest adventures in the first two acts to show his rise as a Warrior and the birth of his legend so that the audience sees Conan's growth and how he earns his victory against Doom. Change the framing device of the movie where a young Prince finds the tomb of Conan and is told of his exploits by his accompanying Vizier, mirroring Conan's call to greatness in finding the Atlantean tomb and thus beginning the cycle again.
I mean hypothetically if Bruce and Carrie conceive now then she'll become a mother when she turns 21. Also the "Do super mature stuff after drinking age" argument falls flat when they married after Carrie turned 18 and the marriage has been going strong and more than five years prior you had 18 year olds fighting and dying in Vietnam. 21 was a common-ish time for parenthood at this time and both Bruce and Carrie have their work-life priorities straight and have absolutely zero financial worries.
Change the framing device of the movie where a young Prince finds the tomb of Conan and is told of his exploits by his accompanying Vizier, mirroring Conan's call to greatness in finding the Atlantean tomb and thus beginning the cycle again.
Okay how about this:
--[] Change the script to be a more faithful adaptation of the Conan books to have the movie be the first of a Saga and chronologically accurate to his character biography. Mix in Conan's earliest adventures in the first two acts to show his rise as a Warrior and the birth of his legend so that the audience sees Conan's growth and how he earns his victory against Doom. Change the framing device of the movie where a young Prince finds the tomb of Conan and is told of his exploits by his accompanying Vizier, mirroring Conan's call to greatness in finding the Atlantean tomb and thus beginning the cycle again.
I like it, but can you also add my idea about it being Frame Story so that we it's narrated to a Prince instead of at the audience? We could make it so that it's being narrated long after the Hyborian Age has passed, that way everyone is spellbound by tales of a long forgotten era. We could show quick snapshots of different Kingdoms so as to make the audience curious for future installments.
@Kaiser Chris If I'm not mistaken, All the President's Men was released last year (1976) in April.
Instead of meeting Robert Redford this turn, could you be convinced to try and network with either Jim Henson or Donald Bren? Jim Henson if we want to work with Jim (perhaps purchase the Muppet Studio) before the Muppets Movie to try improve ILM's creatures.
Donald Bren is for Irvine Corporation (which will be bought by a consortium headed by him later this year). We want the massive amount of land because it opens a lot of options from building a studio to influencing the development of Irvine (and thus increasing politics) to building a theme park (Lucas Land) if we want. I would suggest him first because of timing. He would probably be interested in meeting us as we have quite a bit of acerage in Beverly Hills, own an Office Building (which we bought with our money and are letting LucasFilm use), an Aparment Complex, have political ties, and have invested in the Coney Island Restoration Project.
@Kaiser Christhe books had a pretty big emphasis on the cultural diversity there was during the Hyborian age so that might be worth altering about the film
Okay everyone I updated my plan with the script changes and replaced the Irish imports with it so feel free to take a look.
As for other films we can potentially make in the near future, if we get Dreamworks up and running I want their first film to be Treasure Planet so it can serve as a monumental debut in the same way Snow White was for Disney and Toy Story for Pixar. John Millius should be writing a film soon called Big Wednesday which he Directed OTL and it came out in 1978 so we can do that like the solid we did for Paul. There's Robert's first film about the Beatles which he might work on after writing 1941. A Hobbit or Dune movie. If Paul Schrader never made Yakuza we could do that as our first Japan film. Other potentiel Warner Bros films that were erased via butterflies are:
Oh God!
The Gauntlet
The Goodbye Girl
Hooper
The In-Laws
Going in Style
Perhaps most importantly is that no Warner Bros means no Shining and Steven King has a bias towards Lucasfilms adapting his books so that can be another Brian De Palma classic.
@Kaiser Christhe books had a pretty big emphasis on the cultural diversity there was during the Hyborian age so that might be worth altering about the film
I kind of figured that would fall under the request to make it more faithful to the books. Plus, I feel like we're asking for a lot for changes to what is seemingly a perfect script, I don't want to push any buttons for John and sprinkle in more details to completely get rid of the previous draft.
You know just to say this on forum, if we ever start a tv channel, know that we will have to look for people to run it and shows to populate it.
And I will say this: Poor George, he has so many Star Wars ideas with Dave that he has no idea how to make it work, and realizes he might have to shelve them for awhile.
I kind of figured that would fall under the request to make it more faithful to the books. Plus, I feel like we're asking for a lot for changes to what is seemingly a perfect script, I don't want to push any buttons for John and sprinkle in more details to completely get rid of the previous draft.
As for other films we can potentially make in the near future, if we get Dreamworks up and running I want their first film to be Treasure Planet so it can serve as a monumental debut in the same way Snow White was for Disney and Toy Story for Pixar. John Millius should be writing a film soon called Big Wednesday which he Directed OTL and it came out in 1978 so we can do that like the solid we did for Paul. There's Robert's first film about the Beatles which he might work on after writing 1941. A Hobbit or Dune movie. If Paul Schrader never made Yakuza we could do that as our first Japan film. Other potentiel Warner Bros films that were erased via butterflies are:
Oh God!
The Gauntlet
The Goodbye Girl
Hooper
The In-Laws
Going in Style
Perhaps most importantly is that no Warner Bros means no Shining and Steven King has a bias towards Lucasfilms adapting his books so that can be another Brian De Palma classic.
I was thinking that for the Dune and Hobbit films we could wait a bit, perhaps till the beginning of the 80s to give time for the technology needed to mature and evolve a bit more.
As for the Shinning...I'm on the record saying how there is only one man that can make the perfect adaptation, and he's working with Universal. However, perfection is the enemy of Good Enough. Let's give Da Palma his shot at adapting!
I kind of figured that would fall under the request to make it more faithful to the books. Plus, I feel like we're asking for a lot for changes to what is seemingly a perfect script, I don't want to push any buttons for John and sprinkle in more details to completely get rid of the previous draft.
I hear you. But, andhear me out here, what if we add elements of "Tower of the Elephant" and "Rogues in the House" to serve as the basis for the adventure? I mean, we don't have to start with Conan's childhood, we could do an "In Medias Res" for all the movies, showing his adventures as an adult, with occasional mentions of his times in Cimmeria, then at some point in the future we do a movie showing his more humble beginnings.
Also, I'm thinking Christopher Reeves for Duke Leto and Gene Hackman for Baron Vladimir. What do you think?
As for the Shinning...I'm on the record saying how there is only one man that can make the perfect adaptation, and he's working with Universal. However, perfection is the enemy of Good Enough. Let's give Da Palma his shot at adapting!
Alternatively, we could let Kubrick adapt The Shining as OTL and Stephen King will likely dislike just as OTL and this pushes King further into our camp with him already favoring us for adaptations.
Alright so, we're planning on doing a Dune movie, and I think we should take the best from two adaptations of the material; The 200's Sci Fi Channel Mini Series, and the 2021 Dune adaptation. I loved the Mini Series as that was my introduction to the Dune series, the one that had me read the entire saga once I found it...and the one that then introduced me to the 1984 movie when I thought they were going to show the Mini Series instead (Curse you David Lynch! Curse yoooouuuuu!).
But I've also come to appreciate the recent adaptation, if anything because they really made the characters seem more sympathetic and human than how the previous Movie and Novel did. Leto being actually kind and courageous instead of it being a mask, less cynic perspective from the Atreides, an amazing performance by the cast. It all came together for a good enough adaptation, even when there's some parts that I felt were lacking.
Well, Here I give the suggested cast for the movie, please keep in mind that I've done so with the idea that the movie would be done in 1981 at the earliest, following mostly the script from the 2021 adaptation, with bits and pieces from the 2000's miniseries (among those is how I feel that Liet Kynes should die, but we can discuss it later if you want).
As such, I give you:
Movie Pitch: Dune (Part 1)
GENRE: Drama/Science Fiction
SUBGENRE: Action/Adventure/Fantasy
FORMAT: Movie (Part 1 of 2)
Set Up: The first of a two-part adaptation of the 1965 novel of the same name by Frank Herbert. Set in the distant future, the film follows Paul Atreides as his family, the noble House Atreides, is thrust into a war for the deadly and inhospitable desert planet Arrakis. The movie covers the events from the beginning of the book; when Paul's father, the Duke Leto, is granted Arrakis by order of the Padishah Emperor, all the way until both Paul Atreides and his mother, the Lady Jessica, are forced to take asylum with the Fremen Tribes after House Harkonnen kills Leto and takes control of Arrakis.
Director: Francis Ford Coppola Executive Producer: Bruce O'Brian Composer: Hans Zimmer
Paul Atreides: The son of Leto and royal heir to the noble House Atreides, Paul has spent his entire life being prepared for the responsibility that comes with his family's name. Haunted by visions of a mysterious girl and an inevitable future, he is called to leave his childhood home world behind for a new life on the most dangerous planet in the Known Universe, where he must confront his innermost fears.
Played by: Keanu Reeves Alternate: Johnny Depp
Duke Leto Atreides: He is a noble leader guided by duty to his people and love for his family. As head of House Atreides, he has built a reputation for mercy over malice, principle over power, and courage over fear. When called to bring peace to the endangered planet of Arrakis, he must prepare his only son Paul for the dangers that lie ahead.
Played by: Christopher Reeves Alternate: Liam Neeson
Lady Jessica: The concubine of Duke Leto and mother to Paul. As a member of the mysterious Sisterhood known as the Bene Gesserit, she is a master of body and mind, able to weaponize her words through a power known as 'the Voice' to bend the will of those who dare to threaten her family. She is burdened by the knowledge of what Paul must become to survive his destiny, and must prepare and help him.
Played by: Jane Seymour Alternate: Isabella Rossellini
Gurney Halleck: He's a defiant warrior with the soul of a poet, he's watched over Paul since he was born. Although he would never say it aloud, he loves Paul as though he were his own son. As the Duke's Warmaster, Gurney Halleck has been forged in battle, and will do whatever it takes to protect House Atreides — a people as dear to him as the family he lost to the Harkonnens.
Played by: Nick Nolte Alternate: Sam Neill Alternate 2: Christopher Lee
Duncan Idaho: He's a legendary Swordmaster, warrior, and House Atreides' deadliest weapon. A fearless pilot and expert in stealth reconnaissance, he is the eyes and ears of Duke Leto, and the first of House Atreides to leave footprints on the desert sands of Dune. A man of loyalty and lethality, his guiding principle is to fight for the Atreides as though they were his own, and to defend Paul with his life.
Played by: Bruce O'Brian Alternate: Sylvester Stallone
Thufir Hawat: He's a master of psychological warfare and head of House Atreides' security division. Thufir Hawat is a Mentat (a highly-trained strategist whose mind has the infinite processing power of a supercomputer), a grandmaster of cause and effect capable of seeing all possible outcomes to unravel plans within plans, and to protect Paul from threats seen and unseen.
Played by: Ian McShane Alternate: Richard Jordan
Dr. Wellington Yueh: A trusted House physician for the Atreides family. Dr. Yueh uses intricate pressure point manipulation to detect injuries, sense sickness, and even intuit the psychological state of his patients simply by touching them. More than just a doctor, he values human life above all things and is part of the Atreides closest inner circle.
Played by: Pat Morita Alternate: George Takei
Baron Vladimir Harkonnen: He's Greed and tyranny personified; a force of malevolence determined to feed his addiction to brutality. A gravity-defying monster of a man, gliding through the air like a phantom, the imposing figurehead of House Harkonnen ensures his family stands in stark opposition to House Atreides, ruling through fear, and determined to exploit the natural resources of Dune no matter the cost to its people.
Played by: Gene Hackman Alternate: Joss Ackland
Glossu Raban Harkonnen: As animalistic and savage as his given name implies, the "Beast" Rabban is the towering enforcer and nephew of the sadistic Baron Harkonnen. Tasked with securing the Baron's empire by any means necessary, he is a brutal force of nature, prone to explosive and petulant bouts of rage. Of those that cross him, few live.
Played by: Willem Dafoe Alternate: Jack Nickolson
Piter De Vries: He's a Mentat under the service of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen. Piter De Vries uses the cunning and venom of his poisoned mind to carry out Baron Harkonnen's malevolence, while staying one step ahead of his fierce rival Thufir Hawat in the ever-turning game of psychic warfare between the Houses of power.
Played by: Christopher Walken Alternate: John Turturro
Stilgar: The leader of the Fremen, he's a man who will do anything to protect the life and culture of his people—guardians of the Arrakis deserts. He is revered as a man of great wisdom, born of a deep symbiotic relationship with the wilds of Dune; a primal survivor who has made the most dangerous planet in the universe his home.
Played by: Raul Julia Alternate: Omar Sharif
Jamis: He's a Fremen best known as the man who was bested by Paul Atreides when he and his mother Jessica were first given sanctuary by Stilgar. Also known to be adept in playing the nine-stringed baliset. Paul sees in one of his visions a future where they could have been friends and allies, a future that did not come to pass.
Played by: James Remar Alternate: Victor Argo
Dr. Liet Kynes: As foremost expert on the planet Dune and the ways of its people, Dr. Liet Kynes' relationship to Dune goes beyond mere duty. An Imperial outsider tasked with overseeing the transfer of power on the planet, his service to House Atreides is complicated by a spiritual connection to both the population and the wild beauty of the planet itself.
Played by: Omar Sharif Alternate: Franco Nero
Chani Kynes: She was born on Dune, raised in the ways of its free people the Fremen, and shaped by its wilds to be a confident and dangerous warrior. A relentless defender of the people she loves, she will rise defiant against any outsider seeking to endanger the natural beauty of her world. Though not a full believer of Paul at the beginning, her opinion of him changes after his induction into the Fremen.
Played by: Michelle Pfeiffer Alternate: Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio
Shadout Mapes: The head housekeeper in the Imperial Residence in the city of Arrakeen on the planet Arrakis when the Atreides took control of that planet. Mapes was one of the first Fremen that many of the Atreides encountered on a personal basis when they arrived on Arrakis. And approached the Lady Jessica in the hopes of determining if she was the one the Fremen prophecies spoke of.
Played by: Catherine Scorsese Alternate: Shelagh Fraser
Shaddam Corrino IV: The eighty-first Padishah Emperor of the Corrino Empire, and thus the Known Universe. His feelings of inadequacy, and jealousy, towards his cousin, Duke Leto Atreides, caused him to give Leto the administration of Arrakis in a secret plot with the Harkonnens to reduce their power and influence.
Played by: Brian Blessed Alternate: Laurence Olivier
Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam: She's a wise Truthsayer who sees all-too clearly what humanity is capable of. A member of the mysterious Bene Gesserit Sisterhood directs her stern gaze of judgement towards the young Paul Atreides. Using prophecy and superstition to manipulate human history from the shadows, the Bene Gesserit play a long game across the generations, course-correcting humanity's journey on the path to the light as they believe it to be.
Played by: Eva Marie Saint Alternate: Faye Dunaway
A.N: So, what do you think? Please tell me if you think of another actor that can play the parts mentioned.
Well, the main problem I ser with many these actors is that they are too young... I mean if the movie was on the 90s it would work, but not so in the 80s
My main suggestion would be to use Christopher Lee as Gurney Halleck... Lee, being the Reinassance Man that he was would do a great job both as a musician and as a fencer...
Well, the main problem I ser with many these actors is that they are too young... I mean if the movie was on the 90s it would work, but not so in the 80s
My main suggestion would be to use Christopher Lee as Gurney Halleck... Lee, being the Reinassance Man that he was would do a great job both as a musician and as a fencer...
Christopher Lee as Gurney Halleck? Well, the fight scene from Dune 2021 is still in my mind, and while I do not doubt he is a good fencer, I don't think he has the mastery over knives, or more than likely the chance to learn the choreography to make it look fast and impressive as that.
I will add it as Alternate #2 just in case though.
