Lights... Camera... ACTION!!: A Hollywood Quest

[Duke William of]

Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

So we have some bad news.

The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it

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TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands.

To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all.

I'll see you all around.

With so many regards, Duke William Of.

 

[Cyberphilosipher]

We still need the Yuuzhan Vong after all.

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Indeed, I'm starting to like it as a story, having read some of the books...but I'm thinking it could be executed better.

so I would like to see how Luke is rebuilding the Order, perhaps having to struggle whether to have them join the fight against the resurgent Empire or not.

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"Luke you have to fight the empire if you don't they won't stop bothering us."

"Ahh but I was going off to the Zeffo Ruins to pick up some ancient texts?!"

Perhaps even the Mandalorian at some point.

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Yes.

Hmm, do you want more quirky Charecters in Thrawn's fleet as sort of an Inverted Rebel Allaince?

 

[overmind]

Indeed, I'm starting to like it as a story, having read some of the books...but I'm thinking it could be executed better.

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Certainly. I mean, the idea of an entire race that is completely opposed to the Force, who would waste and destroy the entire galaxy in order to make it so that it cannot exist... well, that is certainly an escalation above what being ruled by a Sith or the Empire would be.

Not to mention a look into what would have happened if the Aztecs would have been able to take over the world (or invade Europe at some point).

I do wonder if we could get ome scenes with Jedi and Sith having to fight together there.

Yes.

Hmm, do you want more quirky Charecters in Thrawn's fleet as sort of an Inverted Rebel Allaince?

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Personally, I'm fine with showing them as still evil, with Pellaon and Thrawn being the ones that can see the big picture and are mostly using the Empire as a means to bring order.

 

[Cyberphilosipher]

Personally, I'm fine with showing them as still evil, with Pellaon and Thrawn being the ones that can see the big picture and are mostly using the Empire as a means to bring order.

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Yes but the phrase "Heroes on Both Sides" exist for a reason and is one of the more interesting parts of the Clone Wars meta narrative.

I just thought we could use it to give some needed depth to individual characters in Thrawn's fleet.

Basically make a lot of them Needa, true believers in the cause.

Not to mention a look into what would have happened if the Aztecs would have been able to take over the world (or invade Europe at some point).

I do wonder if we could get ome scenes with Jedi and Sith having to fight together there.

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"Never thought I'd be fighting besides a Jedi?"

"How about a guy that is defending the sanctity of the FOrce and life in general so we can get back to killing each other every century."

"Aye...when you put it like that, theres' no one i'd rather be beside."

 

[overmind]

Yes but the phrase "Heroes on Both Sides" exist for a reason and is one of the more interesting parts of the Clone Wars meta narrative.

I just thought we could use it to give some needed depth to individual characters in Thrawn's fleet.

Basically make a lot of them Needa, true believers in the cause.

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I remmeber I once saw an idea for an opening of a theoretical Star Wars movie, and it got me thinking that it could work very well to introduce some characters from both sides. It was supposed to be for "The Force Awakens", but it could work here, and we could re-imagine the characters of Poe, Kylo and Finn as well.

Basically, we could start with a climactic battle between the remnants and the Republic. The Remnants are clearly loosing, with Poe leading his own squadron in some daring maneuvers that have them near decimate the TIE Fighters, and have seriously damaged many of the capital ships. Then we turn to Kylo, who is looking this happen, as he hits a wall in anger and leave on his own ship to contest him, managing to make near as much damage himself since he has the Force on his side (we can have him be one of the surviving Emperor's Hands in thie version) which leads to a climactic fight between both; Poe's Skill and experience against Kylo's agressiveness and power of the Force.

All whichgets interrupted when Thrawn and his fleet arrives.

Finn could perhaps still be a Storm Trooper, one who really believes in the cause as well. It would be fun.

"Never thought I'd be fighting besides a Jedi?"

"How about a guy that is defending the sanctity of the FOrce and life in general so we can get back to killing each other every century."

"Aye...when you put it like that, theres' no one i'd rather be beside."

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Considering that the Sith are mostly using the angry, selfish side of them, I would see them fighting together more as Teeth grinding on his part, and calm acceptance on the Jedi's. Perhaps at the end the Jedi tries to offer him a hand, and we can see for a moment how the Dark Side weakens his hold on the Sith, with the golden eyes slowly turning back to their original color, before once more snapping into place, and rejecting them.

Shows that while there is still a man under it, the Dark Side has too much of a hold, and is too toxic and insidious when diving into it.

 

[Cyberphilosipher]

All whichgets interrupted when Thrawn and his fleet arrives.

Finn could perhaps still be a Storm Trooper, one who really believes in the cause as well. It would be fun.

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Ahh yes good writing on characters wasted by bad luck and poor writing.

Shows that while there is still a man under it, the Dark Side has too much of a hold, and is too toxic and insidious when diving into it.

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Indeed on all levels.

So any Star Wars video game ideas?

 

[McLuvin]

For all that pushing our ideas is cool, we have to remember.

Lucas had a plan for the sequels. One he worked on for a long time IOTL.

Essentially, Skywalker would have a protege, a young woman (Rey was based off of her) who he would be training decades after the New Republics foundation. There would be a thriving New Jedi Order, and one of the New Jedi would be Luke's nephew, Han and Leia's son. Leia meanwhile would be a leading force in the Republic, part of Lucas' initial draft was Solo being separated from her and drinking his woes away as a retired admiral.

The course of the movie trilogies plot was supposed to be if I remember the interviews and articles correctly:
Movie 1:
-Crime syndicates start enacting Terrorist activities across the galaxy
-Luke, his female protege and his nephew investigate
-His nephew comes into contact with Darth Talon (yes the Twi'lek Sith from Legacy)
-Luke and his apprentices would recruit Han to help them navigate the criminal underworld
-Eventually they'd discover that the criminal organisation's of the galaxy, empowered by the Rebellions chaos, had fallen under the control of a cult of Sith who once followed Palpatine
-Over the course of the movie, driven by resentment of his family and having to be near his father, Luke's nephew would fall for Talon and turn to the dark side, betraying Luke
-His nephew would find Vaders grave and loot it, becoming know as The Graverobber
-Out of shame Luke would retreat to Felucia, leaving the New Jedi Order leaderless as the criminal organisations started a shadow war across the galaxy
-Han may or may not have died.

Movie 2:
-Luke's female protégée would go to Felucia and spend much of the movie trying to convince him to return to fight his nephew
-Meanwhile the Nephew would fall deeper in love with Talon and the Dark Side and help bring about increasing chaos in the New Republic and defeat the New Jedi Order in the opening parts of the Shadow War, eventually becoming a proper Sith.
-Luke would return to face his nephew and may or may not die doing so.

Movie 3
-The female protege defeats or redeems Luke's nephew
-Talon is either redeemed or dies
-The leader of the Sith is possibly revealed to be a failed clone or apprentice of Sidious.




You can kinda see where Disney got its inspiration from…it's just they were so eager to make their own mark and replicate the original trilogy they abandoned what made the plot work.

 

[overmind]

You can kinda see where Disney got its inspiration from…it's just they were so eager to make their own mark and replicate the original trilogy they abandoned what made the plot work.

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Well, that was OTL Lucas' plan, and plans change with time and experiences lived. Personally, I see this, and perhaps its because Disney already soured me up on the concept, but the idea of Luke Skywalker, abandoning the Jedi Order on its most dire moment, sounds too awful.

Furthermore, I think that the Sequel trilogy should be one where the main characters of the Original should serve more as mentors and passing the torch to the future generation. So, while Han, Leia and Luke should definitely appear and have things to do, they should also be seen as having their own responsabilities and lives beyond heeding the call of adventure once more. They can still be badasses, but also serve as a safety net for the new generation.

Plus, I'm still rooting for the Yuushan Vong to be the enemies for said trilogy.

So any Star Wars video game ideas?

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I think we could also do the Trilogy of games that appeared in the SNES, but we'll have to wait for our console for it.

 

[HellOverHeaven98]

So any Star Wars video game ideas?

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Definitely Shadows of the Empire, but obviously we have to wait a bit.

 

[Kaiser Chris]

For all that pushing our ideas is cool, we have to remember.

Lucas had a plan for the sequels. One he worked on for a long time IOTL.

Essentially, Skywalker would have a protege, a young woman (Rey was based off of her) who he would be training decades after the New Republics foundation. There would be a thriving New Jedi Order, and one of the New Jedi would be Luke's nephew, Han and Leia's son. Leia meanwhile would be a leading force in the Republic, part of Lucas' initial draft was Solo being separated from her and drinking his woes away as a retired admiral.

The course of the movie trilogies plot was supposed to be if I remember the interviews and articles correctly:
Movie 1:
-Crime syndicates start enacting Terrorist activities across the galaxy
-Luke, his female protege and his nephew investigate
-His nephew comes into contact with Darth Talon (yes the Twi'lek Sith from Legacy)
-Luke and his apprentices would recruit Han to help them navigate the criminal underworld
-Eventually they'd discover that the criminal organisation's of the galaxy, empowered by the Rebellions chaos, had fallen under the control of a cult of Sith who once followed Palpatine
-Over the course of the movie, driven by resentment of his family and having to be near his father, Luke's nephew would fall for Talon and turn to the dark side, betraying Luke
-His nephew would find Vaders grave and loot it, becoming know as The Graverobber
-Out of shame Luke would retreat to Felucia, leaving the New Jedi Order leaderless as the criminal organisations started a shadow war across the galaxy
-Han may or may not have died.

Movie 2:
-Luke's female protégée would go to Felucia and spend much of the movie trying to convince him to return to fight his nephew
-Meanwhile the Nephew would fall deeper in love with Talon and the Dark Side and help bring about increasing chaos in the New Republic and defeat the New Jedi Order in the opening parts of the Shadow War, eventually becoming a proper Sith.
-Luke would return to face his nephew and may or may not die doing so.

Movie 3
-The female protege defeats or redeems Luke's nephew
-Talon is either redeemed or dies
-The leader of the Sith is possibly revealed to be a failed clone or apprentice of Sidious.




You can kinda see where Disney got its inspiration from…it's just they were so eager to make their own mark and replicate the original trilogy they abandoned what made the plot work.

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Man that stuff sucks ass, especially since it eliminates the Wars from Star Wars and replaces it with family melodrama and galactic crime shenanigans. It's also crazy how this version of Kylo Ren is somehow lamer than his Canon one. Overall I think that we can safely say that all of that nonsense has been butterflied away, particuarly thanks to this:

There would be a thriving New Jedi Order, and one of the New Jedi would be Luke's nephew, Han and Leia's son. Leia meanwhile would be a leading force in the Republic, part of Lucas' initial draft was Solo being separated from her and drinking his woes away as a retired admiral.

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I feel like one of the biggest draws to Star Wars for general fans here is Han and Leia's relationship and Bruce and Carrie's marriage outside the films. While the relationship was beloved OTL, here Bruce and Carrie are undeniably doing it better with peak romance and chemistry plus all the changes Bruce did with Empire to build up the relationship. Plus you add that with Bruce and Carrie being dominant A-listers at the top of Hollywood and respected in many fields and being so clearly in love with each other and starring in multiple films together. I think as the 80s moves along that Bruce and Carrie would sort of be America's parents from their influence on the youth and how they are seen raising their family.

The point overall is that to have Han and Leia be divorced, Han being a depressed alcoholic and their son being a Sith SIMP and edgy dark Jedi would create huge amounts of backlash that make the Prequels and Sequels anger look like universal adoration. The films would flop badly and it woud lead to a major disillusionment with the franchise like how Star Wars is facing right now. No one would be happy with that and everyone is angry.

But most of all, I think with all the changes George is going through, especially having a happier family and still being to Marcia, he wouldn't be as jaded to produce a script like that, plus I think Wally would probably hate it. There's also his connections to Bruce and Carrie with them being the godparents of his kids and vice versa, and he wouldn't want to do either duty, nevermind how Kylo could be seen as a bad reflection of the O'Brian kids, especially Joseph and George.

I don't see how any of this would hold up with the butterflies. At most maybe George is really insistent on having Darth Talon as a villain.

 

[Cyberphilosipher]

At most maybe George is really insistent on having Darth Talon as a villain.

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"I'm just saying guy's having a Sith Dark Jedi Twi'lek is an awesome concept"- George throwing the idea of Talon out at one of the writers room meetings in the future.

 

[Schehera Zade]

Man that stuff sucks ass, especially since it eliminates the Wars from Star Wars and replaces it with family melodrama and galactic crime shenanigans. It's also crazy how this version of Kylo Ren is somehow lamer than his Canon one. Overall I think that we can safely say that all of that nonsense has been butterflied away, particuarly thanks to this:

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Glad I'm not the only who thought this. Everytime it gets brought up, everyone's always talking about how much better it would have been than the sequels, meanwhile I can't help but think it sounds incredibly lame.

 

[overmind]

Glad I'm not the only who thought this. Everytime it gets brought up, everyone's always talking about how much better it would have been than the sequels, meanwhile I can't help but think it sounds incredibly lame.

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I think it's the fact that the sequels suck so bad, and mangled canon so much, that they would have preferred to have this slog than what Disney gave.

And I don't blame them. Save for they treat Luke, Leia and Han, I'd also have taken it rather than having the Sequels become a reality.

 

[YAIR]

So I have a pair of ideas for Jedi survivors one would be a clone wars veteran that has a grudge against Anakin because while he was out there being a hero he and many other Jedi where trapped in what was basically a galactic equivalent to the western front of WW1, other who refuses to join the new republic because of memories of how the senate's interference resulted in the republic's bloodiest defeat and another who was in Palpatine's personal shitlist because he destroy many Sith relics that the Jedi had collected to negate it to him and ended being a paranoid disaster for having to hide for decades, so what do you think?

 

[Jaffa]

I'm just wondering if we are ever going to Introduce "The Ones" aka the Father, the Son, and the Daughter and maybe because she is intricately linked to them maybe Abeloth?

1.)

The Ones/Legends

The Ones were a family of exceptionally powerful Force wielders who lived in the ethereal realm of Mortis during the Clone Wars. They moved to Mortis after exiling the dark side entity Abeloth—known to the Thuruht Killiks, client species of the Celestials, as the "Bringer of Chaos"—on their home...

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Abeloth

Abeloth, self-styled as the Beloved Queen of the Stars and also known as the Bringer of Chaos and the Destructor, was an extremely powerful Force entity. Her dark side powers and immortality derived from her being corrupted by drinking from the Font of Power and bathing in the Pool of Knowledge...

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[Magoose]

I don't see how any of this would hold up with the butterflies. At most maybe George is really insistent on having Darth Talon as a villain.

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All I would say on Darth Talon.

I'm sorry but considering Carrie is well Carrie here...

I would not be surprised if Darth Talon is just an evil, sexy mirror to Leia who is a Sith twielk, rather than the honorable diplomatic, badass princess that she was in the films in this timeline.

So... I also forgot, did we change it so that Leia isn't Lukes sister. I can't remember if we made that change?

 

[Kaiser Chris]

All I would say on Darth Talon.

I'm sorry but considering Carrie is well Carrie here...

I would not be surprised if Darth Talon is just an evil, sexy mirror to Leia who is a Sith twielk, rather than the honorable diplomatic, badass princess that she was in the films in this timeline.

So... I also forgot, did we change it so that Leia isn't Lukes sister. I can't remember if we made that change?

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I don't think we confirmed that through any of the actions and it didn't seem to be a suggested action. The closest thing I can think of was my omake where Mary was watching Star Wars for the first time with the Lucas' over, and she was heavily distraught to see Leia kiss Luke so Marcia jokingly suggested that Luke and Leia be siblings and George seemed a bit inspired. So they should still be twins.

 

[Magoose]

I don't think we confirmed that through any of the actions and it didn't seem to be a suggested action. The closest thing I can think of was my omake where Mary was watching Star Wars for the first time with the Lucas' over, and she was heavily distraught to see Leia kiss Luke so Marcia jokingly suggested that Luke and Leia be siblings and George seemed a bit inspired. So they should still be twins.

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Good because I am preparing...

For the future of Star Wars Post Jedi.

And oh Boy, the Shit George is about to allow, or not allow.

 

[Whenyouseeyou]

Say guys how would F for family portray us along with other comedy shows or family sitcoms

 

[overmind]

So... I also forgot, did we change it so that Leia isn't Lukes sister. I can't remember if we made that change?

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Well, you see-

I don't think we confirmed that through any of the actions and it didn't seem to be a suggested action. The closest thing I can think of was my omake where Mary was watching Star Wars for the first time with the Lucas' over, and she was heavily distraught to see Leia kiss Luke so Marcia jokingly suggested that Luke and Leia be siblings and George seemed a bit inspired. So they should still be twins.

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Good because I am preparing...

For the future of Star Wars Post Jedi.

And oh Boy, the Shit George is about to allow, or not allow.

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... Curse my lateness! Curse it I say!

What the heck, I'll make the argument anyways.

I've been arguing for a while now that they should not be made siblings, because frnakly it makes the entire kiss in the previous movie seem kinda gross, and also because it also removes some part of the growth in Luke and the choice in Leia in my opinion. Luke clearly had a crush on her in the first movie, but in the third one we could see him grown up, recognize it as the puppy love it was, and just move on and wish them the best when he's telling her how she also has the potential to be a Jedi if she wishes, and then leaving to face Vader.

And with Leia, it kinda makes her choosing Han moot, because making them siblings makes it a default that she was always going to pick Han in the end, when it wa up in the air at the beginning. I just feel that the movie benefits a lot with just the small change of them not being siblings at all.

 

[overmind]

I remember reading the book a long time ago, and loving every single moment of it. The entire novel and mystery was amazing, from beginning to end I had some suspicions of Jorge, but the book was so engrossing and giving so many hints for different characters that he actually managed to slip my mind, so that when he was revealed as the culprit it was like a full revelation. Not to mention how the book that was referenced ended up being a "lost" book of Aristotle that basically undid every single belief that Jorge held, which is why he was so determined to keep it hidden.

Brilliant.

Which is why I was, well, not so much as angry but disappointed at the movie adaptation. Sure, I understand that movies had difficulties adapting the written word (and this is Umberto Eco's work, so this is multiplied because of it), not to mention the limitations of the budget that affect the actors, sets and Special Effects.. but damn it, the movie just doesn't have the same punch when you remove half of what makes it interesting, and simplifies the entire murder/mystery to the point that I could see from the beginning that Jorge was clearly the culprit.

I've made this an Ardmore Pitch, since I do hope that making this film in Europe will help us with getting the rights for the books, and hopefully the entire idea will have more luck if it debuts in Europe rather than America.

Thus, I give you:

Ardmore Movie Pitch:
The Name of the Rose

GENRE: Mystery/Historical/Thriller

SUBGENRE: Drama/Suspense

FORMAT: Movie​

Set Up: Based on the Novel, The Name of the Rose, written by Umberto Eco in 1980. After a mysterious death in a Benedictine Abbey, the monks are convinced that the apocalypse is coming. With the Abbey to play host to a council on the Franciscan's Order's belief that the Church should rid itself of wealth, William von Baskerville, a respected Franciscan Friar, is surreptitiously sent to determine the cause of the untimely death. Alas, more deaths occur as the investigation draws closer to uncovering the secret the Abbey wants hidden, and there is finally no stopping the Holy Inquisition from taking an active hand in the process. William and his young novice must race against time to prove the innocence of the unjustly accused and avoid the wrath of Holy Inquisitor Bernardo Gui.

Director: Ron Howard
Composer: John Morris

Spoiler: Changes to OTL Movie

- Frame the story as Adso, who is already old, telling his apprentice in the new Monastery about his previous adventure with his mentor, William of Baskerville, explaining why they take good care of their current library and Monastery. Thus, allowing for some third person narration during the story, and perhaps some instances of unreliable narration when it comes to describing the monastery and people in it.

- Have William of Baskerville be more faithful to the book, where he is a former Inquisitor, and was sent to uncover the reason for the murders under the guise of being there for a philosophical debate, having to keep his cover.

- Keep some of the theological debate scenes from the book, not fully, but to show how it's also hindering him in the investigation.

- Replace the scene where William finds out where the bathroom is for the scene from the book where, as William and Adso approach the Monastery, William is able to deduce where the Abbot's favorite horse escaped to by using his wits and logic.

- Keep the scene where William in order to keep his cover, has to go for a debate instead of following a chance to get the book, thus leading to more victims later on.

- Follow more closely the characterizations and plots from the book. Don't change the personalities of the characters as much as the movie did, following the pace on which they were introduced and met.

- Like in the book, have Inquisitor Bernardo Gui be a part of a delegation for the debates, who takes over the investigation when William has not found out the culprit, instead of being called in to solve the murders outright.

- Make sure to have William and Adso meet the victims before they are killed, even if only briefly to get a chance to know about them and have some hints as to why they were killed. Keep the discussions that foreshadowed the deaths and hinted at the theological and personal reasons why things are happening.

- Make the ending not as happy, but a bittersweet one; William is able to save some of the books from the library, but dies years later from complications from the wounds taken. The Inquisitor faces no consequences for his actions. And the girl dies being burned as a witch. Adso however, inherited the books from William, and used them as a basis to rebuild the burnt Monastery, as well as the beginnings of a new library.

Spoiler: Main Characters

William of Baskerville: A former inquisitor who is being sent to the Benedictine Abbey in Northern Italy, one that boasts having one of the largest and best-preserved libraries in Europe, with all kinds of esoteric texts. He is to participate in a theological disputation between Pope John XXII and the Franciscans over Apostolic Poverty, however, the death of one of the monks has the Abbot to ask him to investigate the cause of death, under which he begins to discover a conspiracy that may very well shake the foundations of the Abbey.

Played By: David Warner
Alternate: Michael Gambon

Adso of Melk: He is a young monk and assistant to William of Baskerville. He is recently beginning his monastic life and as such is more nervous and less certain than other members of the church. He is also led by the pleasures of the flesh, though he regrets it afterwards. Through the story, he aids William through the investigation, serving as the audience surrogate to receive explanations and exposition, but also aiding whenever he can. His older self is the narrator of the story.

Played By: Peter Hanly
Alternate: Christian Slater

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Jorge of Burgos: A resident of a Benedictine abbey situated in the mountains of Northern Italy, Jorge is one of the oldest and most learned monks in the monastery and is accorded a great deal of respect as a result. A dedicated follower of Saint Benedict's 56th rule, he is strictly opposed to the use of comedy in the scholarly works of the abbey, demonizing laughter as contrary not only to the spirit of the Order's rules but to God himself. Unknown to all, he has full control of the Abbey, holding influence over the Abbot, the librarian and the scribes and library.

Played By: Feodor Chaliapin Jr.
Alternate: Burt Lancaster

Inquisitor Bernard Gui: He is The Grand Inquisitor of the Roman Catholic Church who secretly serves as a torturer and interrogator. He arrives leading the Papal delegation, and when he finds about the current situation with the mysterious murders (and how William has yet to find the culprit) he takes over the investigation himself. He discovers how both Salvatore and Remigio were former "Dulcinians" (a heretical denomination), and tortures them till they confess, before burning them at the stake.

Played By: Alan Rickman
Alternate: F. Murray Abraham

Abbot Abo of Fossanova: He is the Abbot of the unnamed Benedictine abbey in northern Italy. He asks William to discreetly investigate the murders before the arrival of the envoys from the pope and the emperor, since he worries that the recent mysterious events will foster suspicion and undermine negotiations. Above all, he is obsessed with protecting the reputation of the abbey. William observes cynically that Abo would commit murder to ensure that the abbey remained respectable.

Played By: John Mahoney
Alternate: Michael Lonsdale

Spoiler: Victims

Venantius of Salvemec: He is a translator who worked in the scriptorium with Adelmo. He is found dead in a barrel of pig's blood the day after William and Adso arrive at the abbey. He was intellectually curious, ambitious, and frequently argued with Jorge. He had also been pursuing the forbidden book. William finds notes on his desk in Greek and a zodiacal language relating to his attempt to break into the Finis Africae. He died from the poison Jorge had used to contaminate the pages of the manuscript, after frantically reading through it.

Played By: Kelsey Grammer

Berengar: He is the assistant librarian, described by Adso as "vain" and "lustful". His sexual desires and intellectual ambition both have tragic consequences. He is consumed with guilt after the death of Adelmo, whom he persuaded to have sex with him in return for access to a mysterious book. He stole William's glasses from the Scriptorium to prevent him from reading some notes left by Venantius who had already died. William and Adso find him drowned in a tub in the infirmary, his tongue blackened with poison after trying to read said book.

Played By: Alfred Molina

Severinus: He is in charge of the infirmary, where he works as the abbey's herbalist and doctor, ministering to the sick and dispensing medicine. He quickly strikes up a friendship with William, with whom he shares a passionate intellectual curiosity. When he finds a mysterious Arabic manuscript in the infirmary's library, he immediately informs William, but by the time William arrives at the infirmary to see the book, it is too late: Severinus is found dead and the forbidden book is stolen shortly afterwards.

Played By: Jeremy Irons

Malachi: He is the abbey's librarian. He is suspicious of outsiders and jealously guards the secrecy of the library, which he alone is allowed to enter. Adso observes that Malachi has a face that looks as if he has once felt deep passions, but has suppressed them. William and Adso later discover that Malachi does not read Greek or Arabic and thus has been doing the bidding of Jorge of Burgos for decades, since he lacks the learning to understand many of the books in the library. He murdered Severinus in a jealous rage, and died by poison, tongue blackened.

Played By: Ian McKellen

Spoiler: Minor Characters

Adelmo of Otranto: He is an illuminator known for the beauty and ingenuity of his illustrations. He was very intellectually curious and lively, having engaged in a spirited debate with Jorge on the permissibility of laughter before his death. His dead body is found at the base of the library tower

Remigio: He is the abbey's cellarer, a former Franciscan who joined the Benedictines to escape religious persecution. Remigio admits that he was the first to find Venantius' dead body in the abbey's kitchen, but wasn't sure what to do with it that wouldn't incriminate himself, so decided to leave it until the morning.

Alinardo: He is the oldest monk at the abbey, and is thus a useful source of information, showing William and Adso how to enter the labyrinth. He believes that he should have been appointed as librarian many years ago, and bears a grudge against Malachi as a result. Throughout the novel he maintains that the Last Judgement is at hand.

Salvatore: He was a follower of Fra Dolcino and has taken sanctuary in the abbey. He speaks a strange combination of multiple languages, including Latin, an Italian dialect, and Provençale. Adso describes his face and body as "bestial." His bad Latin accidentally gives William and Adso the key to opening the Finis Africae.

Older Adso: He is the narrator telling the story to his apprentice. He is also the Abbot of the new Abbey which was created after the previous one was burned, using the remaining books that his late mentor, William of Baskerville, managed to save from the library as the basis for a new, if smaller, library.

Peasant Girl: She is brought to the abbey by Salvatore to have sex with Remigio in exchange for food for her family. Instead, however, she meets Adso in the kitchens. They have a sexual encounter, but she runs away in the morning without telling him her name. Salvatore brings her to the abbey again to cast a love spell on her in a ritual involving a black cat, but when discovered, she is accused of witchcraft.

A.N.: I'm hoping we can get the right for the book before Jean-Jacques Annaud convinces Eco that he is the one man for the job. He might have a fascination with medieval churches, and knowledge of Greek and Latin, but I was not that impressed with the final product. Then again, if he's that interested, then he might try to make his case to us in order to direct it.

 

[Kaiser Chris]

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... Curse my lateness! Curse it I say!

What the heck, I'll make the argument anyways.

I've been arguing for a while now that they should not be made siblings, because frnakly it makes the entire kiss in the previous movie seem kinda gross, and also because it also removes some part of the growth in Luke and the choice in Leia in my opinion. Luke clearly had a crush on her in the first movie, but in the third one we could see him grown up, recognize it as the puppy love it was, and just move on and wish them the best when he's telling her how she also has the potential to be a Jedi if she wishes, and then leaving to face Vader.

And with Leia, it kinda makes her choosing Han moot, because making them siblings makes it a default that she was always going to pick Han in the end, when it wa up in the air at the beginning. I just feel that the movie benefits a lot with just the small change of them not being siblings at all.

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Eh, I really like the family dynamics they displayed in Legends with Han and Luke being brother-in-laws and Luke being the Uncle to Jaina, Jacen and Anakin. Plus there were several neat plot lines of the Solo kids dealing with the legacy of being Darth Vader's grandfather along with Leia's own struggles in her fear of falling to the Dark Side and her hesitations on becoming a Jedi and what that ultimately paid off with in the Swarm War and Legacy. There's a lot of neat character moments that go away with the bond, and I like how Luke and Leia embodied different aspects of both Padme and Anakin, with Luke being more like Padme and Leia Anakin. It also kind of helps Leia be Luke's equal in that she could have become the chosen one whereas no siblings I feel like Luke is the only New Hope.

 

[overmind]

Eh, I really like the family dynamics they displayed in Legends with Han and Luke being brother-in-laws and Luke being the Uncle to Jaina, Jacen and Anakin. Plus there were several neat plot lines of the Solo kids dealing with the legacy of being Darth Vader's grandfather along with Leia's own struggles in her fear of falling to the Dark Side and her hesitations on becoming a Jedi and what that ultimately paid off with in the Swarm War and Legacy. There's a lot of neat character moments that go away with the bond, and I like how Luke and Leia embodied different aspects of both Padme and Anakin, with Luke being more like Padme and Leia Anakin. It also kind of helps Leia be Luke's equal in that she could have become the chosen one whereas no siblings I feel like Luke is the only New Hope.

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I believe that the same family dynamics could be shown, in the way that they are "Chosen family" rather than by blood. Luke can still be the "Honorary Uncle" to Jaice, Jaina and Anakin, while the moments about Darth Vader could easily eb reworked as a foreboding example that not only them, but everyone could fall into and needs to be guarded against.

Leia's struggles do not need her to be Luke's sibling, and new character moments can be re-worked to fit this new dynamic as well.

I don't see how this makes Leia less of an equal to Luke as well. Leia managed to become the leader of the republic, and as Yoda mentioned in Empire, if Luke failed there was another, meaning that, sibing or not, Leia would have picked up the torch (or lightsaber in this case) should Luke had failed. Heck, I still recall a "What if?" comic years ago that showed Luke dying in Hoth and Leia becoming a Jedi, and in no point, save for the end, did it mention that she being Luke's sister had anything to do with it. Remove it, and hardly anything changes.

 

[Qudrim8054]

You know, for years I actually had an idea for a movie that, even now, goes through constant changes in my head. It's a crime film that took inspirations from Scorcese movies, so I decided what the hell, why not write it down as a pitch?

So while it's mostly bare bones, it's just the current version of what I had in my head... or just some of the basic plot points.

Movie Pitch: Richie Santoro
Genre: Crime Drama
Sub-Genre: Thriller/Suspense
Format: Movie​

General Idea: The movie follow small-time criminal Richard "Richie" Santoro as he becomes a member of the New Orleans crime family and works his way up, all the while a young and ambitious FBI agent goes on an operation to find evidence to put him behind bars.

Spoiler: Summary

Richard Santoro as a pre-teen lived an unfulfiling, boring life in a poorer neighborhood in New Orleans. He would skip school many times and would go watching from afar, looking at wealthier people spending their time at a fancy restaurant several blocks away from his school. His eyes were always filled with envy.

One day he runs into an older man, a local crime boss by the name of Albert Blando, who impresses the young Richie.
A few years later, he helps his older brother Patrick rob a local community. The two manage to get away and they decide that they want to work under Blando.

By his adult years, the two brothers manage to form a crew of robbers and hijackers. The other members are Eddie "Mads" Wilkins, Kevin Drake and Roberto Alanni, each serving a specific niche in their operations. The group pulls off several successful heights that impress Blando, who has a good working relationship with them.
In one of the robberies, the group steals from a large bank a total of 4 million dollars, which gets plenty of attention on them, particularly because of their efficiency and the fact that they left little to no incriminating evidence behind.

Not long after the heist, Blando requests to meet with Richie. He request him to work as a bodyguard for his daughter Jocelyn, who he wishes to keep out of the family bussiness, until the heat dies down. Richie meets Jocelyn and they form a friendship as he starts acting as her bodyguard.

In the FBI, a newly promoted agent Caroline Smith takes interest in the robbery and the crew the performed it and convinces her superior to go undercover and try to get close to Santoro's group of friends. She is told by her reluctant superior that all she needs to do is find enough evidence to make sure that they will be convicted.

Caroline goes in civilian clothing to a bar where the group hangs out in, where she catches Richie's attention. They start spending time together and quickly begin a relationship, which Caroline uses as a means to easily find more evidence, but she fails to find any in his apartment.

During one of his nights acting as a bodyguard for Jocelyn, she becomes increasingly flirtatious and mischievuos with him. Eventually she admits that she's attracted to Richie, but knows that they can't really act on it because her father is his boss. However, Richie decides to recipricate her feelings and the two start an affair, knowing it could get him killed.

Caroline, in an attempt to get evidence, taps the phones in Richie's apartment and meets with Wilkins. They have a friendly conversation at the bar and she gradually get him drunk in an attempt to make him slip and reveal something, but he attempts to come onto her. While she manages to gain the upper hand on him, Patrick arrives and inquires what happened. Despite Caroline managing to put up a decent front and come up with a good lie, Patrick starts suspecting her.

A few months later, Richie's group prepare for another job: robbing armored trucks. When they speak over the phone, they don't specify too much information, but Caroline manages to piece enough information to figure out their target. After the group successfully rob the armored trucks, the police arrives and a chase ensues, which ends in a firefight that results in a cop and Wilkins shot dead.

As the group escape, they lie low. However, they start falling apart and accuse the other in causing everything to go wrong. While Patrick tries to calm everyone down and keep things together, they all go their seperate ways, with only the two brother sticking together.

Not long after, a slightly drunken Richie manages to sneak to Jocelyn's apartment, where she comforts him over the the death of his friend and reveals that she's pregnant with his child. Angry, he requests that she gets rid of the child so Blando won't find out about their affair, but she refuses. An argument breaks which ends with him hitting her, ending their affair and leaving as she curses him.

At the same time, as Patrick tries to steal some essentials for him and Richie, spots Caroline meeting with her operator and discovers that she's an FBI agent and her being the one who tipped off the cops about the armored trucks robbery. He calls Richie through a pay phone and tells him about Smith.

Caroline drives to her apartment, but on her way a drunken and enrage Richie drives his car right into hers, mortally wounding her. She manages to get out of the car, but Richie kills her by emptying an entire sub-machine gun magazine on her. After killing her, he is picked up by Patrick and go into hiding.

As the news of Richie killing a federal agent spreads, Jocelyn informs her father of her pregnancy, lying that Richie forced himself on her multiple times. Enraged by this betrayal, he orders the members of the Santoro group to kill the brothers.
The others manage to find where the brothers are hiding and pretend to reconsile, only to betray the brother as Alanni tries to shoot Richie, but is spotted and stopped by Patrick. A fight ensues which ends with the two brothers knocked out, with their former friends puting them in car trunks and drive away.

They reach the docks at night, where they plan to execute the brothers. When Patrick asks for the reason they betrayed them, Drake and Alanni tell him about Richie and Jocelyn's affair, which causes Patrick to resign to his fate.
Richie, knowing he's going to die, insults and mocks his former friends in a long-winded speech about how they were envious of him. Afterwards, Alanni curses Richie one last time before the brothers are killed, their bodies falling into the water.

Spoiler: Important Characters

Richard "Richie" Santoro: A small-time criminal who has a crew of robbers. He believes in efficiency and that's how one gets money without ever getting caught. He serves as the mastermind of the crew.

Caroline Smith: An FBI agent who becomes Richie's girlfriend in an attempt to find evidence to arrest him and his gang as a stepping stone in her career. She is ambitious, stubborn and very determined.

Patrick Santoro: Richie's older brother, he serves as a cool head who is good at keeping the crew together and composed. He loves his brother and is absolutely loyal to him. He serves as a smooth operator for the team.

Albert Blando: A crime boss of the New Orleans crime family and the boss of Santoro's gang. He is patient and fatherly to those he works with unless he is angry, which brings out his cruelty and sadism.

Jocelyn Blando: Albert's daughter who Richie stands working as a bodyguard for before they start having an affair. She is shrewd, sarcastic and likes to push the boundries of the people who work under her father, knowing she can get away with it.

Eddie "Mads" Wilkins: A close friend of Richie, known for his manic attitude, as if he had too much coffee. He serves as the crew's driver.

Kevin Drake: A good friend of Patrick and is a member of the Santoro crew. He's rather shy around people but is friendly with those he knows. He serves as the cat burglar and safe cracker of the crew.

Roberto Alanni: The brute of the Santoro crew, he is a quiet and stern man who likes Richie the least among the crew.

Author's note: So yeah, here is my pitch. Not the best in the world, but as I said it was mostly a jambled mess of ideas for a plot that came to my mind years ago and slightly developed during that time.

 

[Magoose]

Video Game Pitch: Tron 1.5

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Lucasarts Game rolls will gain a bonus.

Videogame Pitch:
Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker

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Star Wars Games Post Jedi will get a bonus.

Animated TV Show Pitch:
Arcane

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... Arcane i'm going to be honest, is far to modern for this, as much as I want to say, lets make it...

fuck it... It can be made

...It's Just A Giant Turtle!

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[]The Monsters Are Here (Oh my god, They finally did it. They made a good monster film)
[]The Code has been cracked (It seems that the other monster franchises of Japan realized something, and they are jumping on it)
[]Its a Monster Mash (Unknown Effect)

Ardmore Movie Pitch:
The Name of the Rose

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Can be made.

Movie Pitch: Richie Santoro

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+15 to SP.

 

[overmind]

[]The Monsters Are Here (Oh my god, They finally did it. They made a good monster film)
[]The Code has been cracked (It seems that the other monster franchises of Japan realized something, and they are jumping on it)
[]Its a Monster Mash (Unknown Effect)

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Thanks Man! I think I'll go with this:

[X]The Monsters Are Here (Oh my god, They finally did it. They made a good monster film)

I just really want this movie to beat Godzilla for once.