Costs a permanent qi investment and we need to be stronger then him to do that.
Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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I mean, they still could still tell Ling Qi about this though? Even saying something like 'yeah this is some gooood shit thanks' rather than simply acting like it never happened would be appreciated.
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This is what is needed according to Elder Jiao.
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Nah, that's a different directional beast's schtick...I'd expect to find that sort of thing among the relatives of the Purifying Sun, not the Living Isle. Xuanwu grow from the discarded organs of ascended gods/spirits, not their own ashes.
I mean, assuming that Zhengui's abilities will take cue purely from mythology, anyway.
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Which is actually not *that* different from how he was born, come to think of it. Granted, they weren't ascended spirits, and it was less "discarded organs" and more "decaying corpse", but...
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The irony is that his most malicious act came before Ling Qi had done anything in particular to provoke him back when he made the puppet mimic. The problem is that the subsequent annoyances could indicate that he's given up on doing anything but annoying Ling Qi, or they could be meant as cost-effective means of causing Ling Qi hassles while he builds up an alpha strike. His arts kind of lend themselves to a long charge period for a big burst of power.
To stave off an alpha strike we would need to either (1) make sure he can't alpha strike us; or (2) make sure he doesn't want to alpha strike us. Trying to achieve either objective by grinding down his resources in weekly slapfights is not sustainable. Hitting him once for massive damage might not be able to accomplish point (1) while remaining within what Meizhen thinks she can get away with, but don't discount (2). At some point the feelings inspired by a beating transition from "I will have my revenge!" to "oh god I will never even think about making her angry again please stop."
On the other other hand, the status quo isn't intolerable, and action implies risks. I trust Meizhen to have a better grasp on the situation than Ling Qi, though.
To be honest I am not sure Yan Renshu was targeting Ling Qi with that little stunt.
Ling Qi stopped that puppet a week before Thunderdome Redux and afterwards Yan Renshu made no motions to sabotage Ling Qi until she stole his book. It strikes me more as an attempt to undermine the Cai-Bai alliance by framing Ling Qi and making Cai look like a tyrant. So that when Sun starts throwing down, Meizhen (and possibly Jian) would stand aside rather than side with Cai. It seems like an attempt to hurt Cai with Ling Qi being a collateral and forgotten afterwards because she isn't important enough (and fair enough, Ling Qi wouldn't have tracked Yan Renshu if the Moon Goddess wouldn't have enticed Ling Qi to steal from him).
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Either that or attempting to position himself as a friendly helper to poach a rising star from the Cai faction. But yeah, it's quite possible it wasn't about Ling Qi at all.
That said (and this is assuming he was indeed the one, which seems pretty reasonable at this point), Ling Qi definitely paid him back for that (with interest) with her little visit. And, like his other attempts, she didn't actually lose much - it took an action to clear up (for which she got paid and looked good for potential future boss). Likewise the Sun Liling ambush 'cost' a major and minor (the favor stuff) and some tension with snow-mom, but Ling Qi got a bit of a wake-up call on the need to be habitually stealthy and got some good ideas on where she stands in combat with the biggest of the year. He swiped a job from her - and she still got a pretty nice cultivation location out of it. Grabbing an escape talisman was something that she should've done ages ago, so she even came away with some useful lessons there.
Motile Mollusc
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So, what you're saying is Ling Qi should pop up in front of him, thank Renshu-sempai for exchanging pointers with her, apologise for causing him such trouble, then leave while he's still too stunned to react*?
*or notice that all his stuff is missing.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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There is still no real reason to think YR was the one behind the puppet frame job.
Not only is he far from the only one using puppets, the particular puppet used is very far from his usual (it was a origami one?), but there are other, more likely people who might have done it. We know Sun Liling was hoping someone else went to war with CRX after all.
Not only is he far from the only one using puppets, the particular puppet used is very far from his usual (it was a origami one?), but there are other, more likely people who might have done it. We know Sun Liling was hoping someone else went to war with CRX after all.
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So, what you're saying is Ling Qi should pop up in front of him, thank Renshu-sempai for exchanging pointers with her, apologise for causing him such trouble, then leave while he's still too stunned to react*?
*or notice that all his stuff is missing.
And it'll be at least ten minutes before he notices he's feeling awful cold...
IIRC he said that they can't learn normal arts, only develop their own arts. Though the process can be expedited by being helped by other older/more experienced spirit beasts.
EDIT: Found the quotes:
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Motile Mollusc
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China, not origami.
People think it's him because we don't know of anyone else using puppets (as far as I can recall?), even if it is certainly plausible that someone else could potentially have learnt such a technique.
The puppet used probably-Darkness mist, an electrical attack and maybe an Earth technique for hiding (and was made of earth).
Yan-chan is known to use Darkness, electricity and Earth techniques.
He has motive in the form of either doing it to assist Sun Liling, or of isolating a talented cultivator so as to get them to accept a contract (or a more mundane arrangement).
It might not be him, but he fits all criteria, and we don't know of anyone else who does, so by conservation of narrative detail, people default to assuming he is guilty.
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We also have seen some evidence that a connection to a cultivator will grant a spirit beast some different techniques. With the Stone in Soil technique.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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- France
That doesn't look like any of his type of puppets, though... YR is also known to use Wood/Water as his primaries (which, yes, contradicts him using AE). It's certainly possible he sold a puppet to Sun Liling back then (like he probably sold a stealth charm to Chu Song) but this puppet seems different enough to probably not be him. As for puppet use, we know of Li Suyin at least
. They just aren't very rare, though they tend to have specific styles, and this doesn't fit his.Certainly, we can go "Well, conservation of detail means it should be him", but Yrsillar hasn't really worked like that so far, and Fu Xiang hasn't told us who did it... and probably would have told us if he had found out it was Yan Renshu.
My guess is he found who did it, then blackmailed that person with "I will tell Ling Qi you did it".
Motile Mollusc
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Discounting him based on style is somewhat unreliable. People are permitted to have more than one design available to them, and if he specialises in the use of puppets, I would fully expect him to have access to more, even if he didn't use them much.That doesn't look like any of his type of puppets, though... YR is also known to use Wood/Water as his primaries (which, yes, contradicts him using AE). It's certainly possible he sold a puppet to Sun Liling back then (like he probably sold a stealth charm to Chu Song) but this puppet seems different enough to probably not be him. As for puppet use, we know of Li Suyin at least
Certainly, we can go "Well, conservation of detail means it should be him", but Yrsillar hasn't really worked like that so far, and Fu Xiang hasn't told us who did it... and probably would have told us if he had found out it was Yan Renshu.
My guess is he found who did it, then blackmailed that person with "I will tell Ling Qi you did it".
Even if we assume his standard puppets have the same appearance-changing capabilities, when doing a false-flag operation it would actually benefit him to use a design that isn't normal for him.
As for the elements thing, I'll point out that although we were told he uses Wood/Water, we've never seen him do so, whereas we have personally seen him use the same elements as the puppet.
Yes, it could be someone else. Easily.
It's just that of the puppet users we know of (one third of whom are us, and can hopefully be discounted), we happen to have one who fits neatly in terms of methodology, elemental preference and faction alignment.
Of course, I could also take a third option and claim that someone was pretending to be Yan Renshu pretending to be us...
Hmm.
*rolls dice*
It was Elder Jiao all along! Wake up, sheeple!
That doesn't look like any of his type of puppets, though... YR is also known to use Wood/Water as his primaries (which, yes, contradicts him using AE). It's certainly possible he sold a puppet to Sun Liling back then (like he probably sold a stealth charm to Chu Song) but this puppet seems different enough to probably not be him. As for puppet use, we know of Li Suyin at least
Certainly, we can go "Well, conservation of detail means it should be him", but Yrsillar hasn't really worked like that so far, and Fu Xiang hasn't told us who did it... and probably would have told us if he had found out it was Yan Renshu.
My guess is he found who did it, then blackmailed that person with "I will tell Ling Qi you did it".
That's a narrative bait and switch and not a good kind. Giving clues that match up to the only person described that way in the story than going "nope it was some OTHER person who we have spent no time on and know nothing about who has the exact same skill set as the person you thought!"
We had the option to investigate the puppet maker. We didn't take it. A third person wouldn't be a bait and switch at all. It just means we didn't pick up the side quest to find said person.
@Arkeus we still don't know what that hei boqin guy does. And he's been name dropped already. We can infer he got blackmailed by Fu xiang given Chu songs comments and our involvement in wen ai's case. Strangely Fu xiang has never said anything re puppeteer again after that.
@Arkeus we still don't know what that hei boqin guy does. And he's been name dropped already. We can infer he got blackmailed by Fu xiang given Chu songs comments and our involvement in wen ai's case. Strangely Fu xiang has never said anything re puppeteer again after that.
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This insistence that there's no way the puppet framejob was Yan Renshu is, full stop, coming across like mental gymnastics of the absolute worst kind
Like, I'm getting "kill yourself for power" flashbacks here in terms of reaching to justify a conclusion which only the absence of evidence allows for.
Like, I'm getting "kill yourself for power" flashbacks here in terms of reaching to justify a conclusion which only the absence of evidence allows for.
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Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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No, it's the insistance that assuming he is the one when nothing points to him being the one that's kind of weird. He could easily be the one... but there is no reason he should be.
The clues don't match up though: different puppet style, different element styles, we have clues about other people, and we have no reason to think it was him.
This just seem like some weird mental gymnastic to blame him for all our woes.