Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

It'll probably need a (very) good selling pinch...

Do they need to know?

I think that if Bai Meizhen is appointed as the ambassador to CRX she'll have enough latitude to justify a project like this on her own recognizance. It's not like she's giving something away for free, she's getting knowledge of a strong, specialized foundational level Art herself, one that's in the same elements that the Bai clan likes to use. I could easily see a future Bai scion going for a shtick that supports the use of SCS.
 
Wait what? I thought she was a human not a spirit.

Edit: I mean, I know she's spirit enough to eat cores, but I didn't think she was spirit enough to shove her in a dantain.
She shouldn't be spirit enough to do so, but I like pretending she is.

I rather suspect pure blood Bai/Xuan/Zheng are either just barely not spirit enough to bind, or are as close to that as they can get without offending imperial sensibilities.

I suspect the Weilu were a step beyond that.
 
Bitter Tea
Got bit by the idea bug, wrote this up.

Bitter Tea​

Xu Ping sat serenely in front of the low table, breathing in his tea's pleasant aroma. It was a nice blend, a subtle mixing of sweet and bitter that sat well on his tongue. He had few enough luxuries out here so far from the clan's holdings, but it couldn't be helped. Normally his sister or cousin would be doing this while he tended to their holdings, but this year the Argent Peak had a particularly noteworthy crop of disciples. The opportunity presented by so many clans in attendance could not be passed up. Already he had negotiated a favorable trade deal with a neighboring city and had a list of prospective buyers looking for things he could provide. It was looking like they would make more a profit in this year than in the past six combined. Not bad for a man who had been clan head for less than ten years.

Xu Ping eyed the girl sitting at the table across from him, her head bowed and her tea untouched. Then again he might have had to come here anyway, to make sure his arrogant daughter had properly learned her lesson. He took a sip of his tea and carefully set it down on the table, the tap of ceramic on wood quiet even in the confines of the silent room. The girl started at the noise all the same, and she made eye contact with him for just a moment before looking back at her folded hands.

"Your cultivation has progressed since I last saw you, Xu Jia," Xu Ping said, tone neutral.

"Y-yes it has, Father," Xu Jia said, a small hint of pride entering her voice. "I have recently reached to the middle yellow stage and have progressed to the third claw of the Hidden Predator's Claw art."

"Indeed you have, and I can sincerely say I am proud to see you taking to the family's techniques so well." Now came for the hard part. "But before coming to the Argent Peak Sect, you had shown a level of skill that would have seen you reaching these milestones months ago. The Third Realm would have still been some years off, but I had expected you to be closer, what with the resources provided to you by both the sect and the clan."

Xu Jia wilted, shrinking in on herself. "Well that's… that is because I have been met with several misfortunes that could not be avoided." A poor deflection, he should have taught her better than that. An oversight on his part, his duties as clan head had clearly taken up more time than he had realized.

"An understandable hindrance," Xu Ping said. "But it also seems that both your sister and the friends you mentioned in your letters have met with poor luck as well. The correspondence I shared with their families implied they were quite put out by their daughters' work ethics." Xu Jia paled, her head snapping up to meet his gaze. It wasn't as bad as he made it sound, situations like has had happened in the past, and he had even managed to turn these ones into profitable connections. However, it was for the best that this lesson stuck with his daughter well into the future. "Do you perchance have any idea why such is the case?"

Xu Jia glanced around the room for a distaction, and hastily took a slow sip of tea to buy time. He had a good idea about what the cause was, the aforementioned correspondence having painted an all too predictable picture, but she hadn't told him about it herself. "I….may have dealt a minor injury to someone some months ago, and they may held a grudge against me and my friends."

That was one way to put being hindered at near every-turn by a commoner girl whose eye Xu Jia had put out on the first day the Outer Sect's protections had been lifted. A commoner girl who was now the apprentice of a Bao disciple from the Inner Sect, and justifiably held a grudge.

"And did you gain anything from them when the injury was dealt?" he asked, taking another sip of tea.

"Yes Father," Xu Jia said. "Several spirit stones, medicines, and low-level beast cores, as well as a selection of books." Her tone was quiet and shamed. She already knew that the reward had not been worth the cost. Not nearly. Xu Ping let the silence hang in the air for a few moments, the tension in his daughter's body ratcheting higher and higher.

Finally, he took pity on her and spoke. "And what lesson has this past year taught you, my daughter?"

"That….I should not have stopped at such a small injury? That I should have gone so far that she could never have retaliated against me?" At least Xu Jia wasn't certain in her answer and was only trying to say what she thought would please him. He would have been furious if that was what she had learned from this ordeal.

Xu Ping hummed, looking into his teacup. "No. While that lesson itself is not without merit, it is for cases where a severe injury must be dealt against someone who could do you harm in the future. Anything short of complete destruction will leave the chance of them exacting retribution, but such a tactic comes with inherent costs as well. In this case, it would have been the expulsion of you and your friends from the sect, and I would have needed to pay reparations to the girl's family. We are not so rich as to skirt the rules." He glanced at her, and saw the way his daughter shrank even further, almost to the point where he thought of breaking the cold facade and holding her close and muttering comforting words. But no, it was important that she learn this lesson now, where it wouldn't bring ruin to the clan. "What you should have done was either not injure the girl at all, or to have been light enough that she and her friend would have fully recovered in a few weeks' time. She might have sought vengeance or have been cowed enough to let the matter lie, but any escalation would have been on her part, not yours. In all honesty, the duel you two had was rather generous in its conclusion."

He let the reprimand hang in the air while she absorbed his words. "I have other matters I will need to attend to soon. For now, you are dismissed, please think on my words before we speak again." Xu Jia rose to her feet, bowed, and left, her head hanging low.

Xu Ping sighed and drained the last of the tea. He had let it sit too long by now, the sweetness was gone entirely, leaving it overly bitter and distasteful.
 
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I suspect that a ton of stronger cultivators could technically count as a spirit for binding as they get weirder and more focused on their Way. No-one would actually do it on anything approaching a large scale however, because there is no way the Empire accepts it. It would cause tremendous amounts of infighting and if used on a large scale shatter the Empire's unity. The most likely response to binding a cultivator would be some mix of being told to stop it and death squads.
 
Do they need to know? If we're creating a new art, there's not necessarily going to be any easily-retreivable evidence that Ling Qi knows a Bai original, in the same way that multiplying two primes is easy and determining the primes from the product is very hard.
Well there's filial duty to consider and I'm also assuming the result would differ, Ling Qi would end up with a SCS+ that has a little of Bai's insights improving it, and Meizhen with XxX+ with some Moon enhancing it instead.
There's also the issue that Elder Jiao would be learning about what is, probably, a clan exclusive art.
I think that if Bai Meizhen is appointed as the ambassador to CRX she'll have enough latitude to justify a project like this on her own recognizance.
Maybe. Probably assuming everything in the tournament goes to keikaku...
To be honest i don't except it to take much more than a letter to her Aunt home if we decide to go down that path.
 
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I suspect that a ton of stronger cultivators could technically count as a spirit for binding as they get weirder and more focused on their Way. No-one would actually do it on anything approaching a large scale however, because there is no way the Empire accepts it. It would cause tremendous amounts of infighting and if used on a large scale shatter the Empire's unity. The most likely response to binding a cultivator would be some mix of being told to stop it and death squads.
Taking into consideration how bound spirits can influence a cultivator's domain, and cultivation being the exhalation of the self... it'd end very poorly for everyone involved unless they have very similar domains. This is of course ignoring the fact that even an external bond like what YR was doing becomes prohibitively expensive at the higher realms.
 
Xu Ping sighed and drained the last of the tea. He had let it sit too long by now, the sweetness was gone entirely, leaving it overly bitter and distasteful.
I just want to say this was really interesting. It's low-key and doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but it's a neat little snapshot of someone we had forgotten about. I find it fascinating.
 
If we beat Sun I expect that we will get some latitude. In many ways it is better for that Bai than Meizhen beating her.
 
If we beat Sun I expect that we will get some latitude. In many ways it is better for that Bai than Meizhen beating her.
I think the Bai would prefer if Meizhen were to stand victorious above Sun Liling, rather than a no-name commoner no matter how apparently talented.
The latter implies Sun is weak enough to be beaten by a random cultivator, which in turns sheds a poor light on the Bai since they struggled, to say the least, due to the Sun.
It also pokes hard at the Clan and Noble House system in a uncomfortable way for traditionalists.
 
Got bit by the idea bug, wrote this up.

Bitter Tea​

Xu Ping sat serenely in front of the low table, breathing in his tea's pleasant aroma. It was a nice blend, a subtle mixing of sweet and bitter that sat well on his tongue. He had few enough luxuries out here so far from the clan's holdings, but it couldn't be helped. Normally his sister or cousin would be doing this while he tended to their holdings, but this year the Argent Peak had a particularly noteworthy crop of disciples. The opportunity presented by so many clans in attendance could not be passed up. Already he had negotiated a favorable trade deal with a neighboring city and had a list of prospective buyers looking for things he could provide. It was looking like they would make more a profit in this year than in the past six combined. Not bad for a man who had been clan head for less than ten years.

This was a nice little character sketch. Always good to see somebody in the genre reject the vengeance spiral.

I did mix up the last name with our boy Xuan Shi so for a minute I thought were were going to see him have to explain his part in developing the Turtle-Snake Meteor Art. I was a little disappointed when that didn't materialize, but that's really a personal issue on my part.
 
To be honest.

I'm pretty sure it's more that human life is frightfully cheap if you don't have the support system of the Empire working for you. You're a bottom of the food chain animal that lives and dies by the whims of the gods that surround you.

"A hundred tribesmen give their lives to strike against an ancestral foe" is sound logic when those ancestral foes can bedevil you for generations uncounted.

Hell, human life is cheap even in the Empire, but they at least recognize that "From ordinary humans can rise Cultivators", and are willing to ensure at least moderate living standards for those who contribute. Hell, as we've established, mortals can establish some pretty nice and cushy places if they're bold, skilled, and diligent. Not a patch on Cultivator homes, but that's because they're not ridiculous wizards who can do things like build their houses on a tree the size of a space elevator or something.

Like, I can absolutely see some Cloud Nomad tribes being perfectly peaceable and reasonable. The problem is that others are raiders who like sneaking over and plundering, and the Empire lacks the patience and--to be blunt--the mobility to chase the offenders down if they rabbit afterwards, so are stuck doing punitive strikes on the ones who are nearest, hence fueling the cycle of bad.
And there's also the factor that a lot of politics is actually a subsidiary of inter-White relations.

Though I also wonder how the Cloud Nomad tribes maintain enough of a mortal population base to sustain their number of cultivators. Maybe they view human life as VERY cheap and follow a strategy of lots and lots of sex and children, followed by a winnowing down to those strong enough to survive
 
Taking into consideration how bound spirits can influence a cultivator's domain, and cultivation being the exhalation of the self... it'd end very poorly for everyone involved unless they have very similar domains. This is of course ignoring the fact that even an external bond like what YR was doing becomes prohibitively expensive at the higher realms.
So you want to create a spirit that's basically yourself but lesser, and then bind that spirit.
*Eyes Cai Shenhua*
Though I also wonder how the Cloud Nomad tribes maintain enough of a mortal population base to sustain their number of cultivators. Maybe they view human life as VERY cheap and follow a strategy of lots and lots of sex and children, followed by a winnowing down to those strong enough to survive
Not that complicated.
Nomads are usually Herders + hunter-gatherers. Both are low manpower high payout activities, though the payout per geographical unit is low, so areas have low population density.
It is quite likely that most adult members of a tribe become a cultivator, or die trying if they don't have enough Talent.

Its like...100 acres of Imperial land supports thousands of mortals, and maybe dozens of cultivators. 100 acres of Nomad land supports dozens of mortals and dozens of cultivators.

In such a scenario though, Nomads would find it very hard to support high level cultivators unless they can process beast cores raw or are stupidly lucky(since their territory is all untamed wilds, they DO have the "luck into a once in a million years magic flower" option)
 
And there's also the factor that a lot of politics is actually a subsidiary of inter-White relations.

Though I also wonder how the Cloud Nomad tribes maintain enough of a mortal population base to sustain their number of cultivators. Maybe they view human life as VERY cheap and follow a strategy of lots and lots of sex and children, followed by a winnowing down to those strong enough to survive
It's also possible that natural selection has just forced their clans to have a lot of high or middling talent, and those few who aren't get the scut jobs that make them undesirable as partners.
 
"She tried, for a time to create something which she could converse meaningfully with, but it was for naught. No matter what she attempted, her creations were little more than dolls, moving at her whim," Elder Ying replied, a note of sadness touching her voice. "She tried again and again to no avail, using every element and combination she could think of. When her latest attempt, dolls shaped of clay and river water had failed yet again, the Nameless Mother despaired, and broke into tears over the clay dolls, which held no will of their own,"
Yet they were without motion or will, as the Mother was a being of order and stillness."
I wonder if some fragment of the Nameless Mother survived and was found by Duchess Cai.

Also, @yrsillar will there be some scenes covering the Production Track tournament?
 
Yelling at the Moon (certainly non-canon)

With the end of the first day, Meizahn and Cai had decided to take tea together. It was a good way of relaxing for both of them without there being any accusations of impropriety on the part of their sponsors.

Like many times, Meizahn found herself in relaxed and companionable silence with her tea partner. Ling Qi had many lovable good traits about her, but peace and quiet were not necessarily among them. Rather the opposite really, with nervous energy affecting even the times she was cultivating, making the environmental qi literally vibrate.

The less said about the time she overdosed the better. Meizahn imagined she could still feel Qi's qi blasting through the environment at times. Times like right now...

Meizahn felt her eyes narrow and a hiss build as she realized that what she was feeling was no memory. Cai sighed as she looked at the roof in the general direction that the pulses were coming from. "Ling Qi is truly a faithful retainer, but perhaps the least predictable I've ever seen. Shall we see what she is up to this time?"

"Yesss," A delicate cough and Meizahn forced her instinctive reaction deep again, "I believe that that would be wise."

A moment of motion later, and she could see what was going on. Ling Qi was standing on the roof of their house, pulsing qi. There was no obvious reason for why she was doing such a thing, but that was a perpetual state of affairs with her friend. Obviously they couldn't ask her what exactly was going on from their position and shouting across the sect was right out. With a nod to each other, both used a movement technique to get to the other roof quickly.

A decision they almost immediately regretted, as the second they touched the roof, their senses were overwhelmed by bloodlust. A feeling of murder so intense that it went beyond the pale feeling of anger or hate, and into a natural law. Blood would be spilled, just as a dropped item would fall. Unnaturally natural, a world of blood and death in the world, coloring all it touched.

Then the figure on the roof spoke. It certainly hadn't been there before, but in this bloody world, it existed as a force of nature. A creature of purest black, with red forming its eyes and coloring its skin and highlighting it's hair, its robes were green and embroidered with shining yellow, forming a scene of a great river.

"
Ah, young cultivator" it's voice sent shivers down Meizahn's spine. This spirit could induce a reaction in her reminiscent of the Elders of the Clan. "You called and I have answered. What was it you wanted so...desperately?"

"Great spirit of the moon, I come to you with a humble request," Meizahn desperately tried to get her vocal cords working, but the bloodlust pounded thickly upon her, sealing her mouth shut better than a locking formation could have. "I have an opponent that I will be facing soon. She is a fair bit more powerful than I am and has hounded and wounded me before. I am hoping that you could fill one of my qi cards with a technique to help me settle the score as it were."

"
Hmm. Before we continue, I really must inform you that we have unexpected guests," the spirit's attention turned far more fully on the paralyzed girls, "Perhaps I should deal with that problem?"

"I would prefer you didn't, great spirit," Meizahn was bizarrely proud at the sudden ice in Qi's voice, almost as terrified as she was at the thought of her friend giving offense to this, this monster. "They, while uninvited, are my friends. I hope that any offense can be overlooked."

The spirit chuckled at the bristling girl. "
Ah, there's the bloodlust I had hoped for. Terrible shame that you chose a different path to follow. I suppose I can ignore them for the moment. Now, on to more immediate matters. How do you plan on paying for such a favor?"

Ling Qi tilted her head, "I'm not sure to be honest. I had thought about just owing a favor, as I cannot be certain of the normal value of such a service."

The spirit's eyes narrowed at her response. "
You do not worry about such a deal being exploited? An open offer being used to cheat you?"

"You are a spirit of blood, not of tricks," Qi's explanation makes Meizahn want to facepalm. "And I am willing to trust a spirit more than a mortal. A mortal may change, but a spirit is what it is unless it bonds with a human."

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You make fair points," the spirit nodded contemplatively. "Yes, I think I can perform such a service for you. The technique is one of the moon, and thus change. It will take any non-damaging art you activate and add a bit of bite to it. I wouldn't suggest using a healing technique while this is active by the way. I will demand no payment for such an action, beyond my condition that you can only use this card on the child of foreign blood. Her spirit is a rival of sorts after all. However, I will ask you one last question before I give you my blessing. Why, as a spirit of the moon, do I wear no white?"

Ling Qi looked down, thinking for a moment, before looking the spirit in the eyes, "Because the Bloody Moon never mourns."

"
I understand why my sister chose you now," the spirit flashed a red-toothed smile, far more threatening than anything else that had happened that night. "The deal is signed, the prize for your bravery filled. Now go moonling, and shed blood in my name." With that, both the spirit and the pressure vanished.

"Qi! Are you unharmed?" Meizahn gathered herself and asked.

"I'm alright," Ling Qi responded. "Sorry if I worried you there."

"Worried. Yes," Cai took the reigns of the conversation. "Worried is a word for it. How did you call a spirit that strong? I don't believe you know any rituals to that end."

Ling nodded, "That's true. I just did the equivalent of shouting across the room. I channeled my desire for a spirit of the Bloody Moon into my Music qi and aimed it in the general direction of the moon.

Meizahn felt herself pale, an impressive feat, as she choked, "But that meansss…"

"Yeah," Ling Qi interrupted her for only the second time ever, "I was stuck in close quarters with a spirit of murder without any protections. I thought the Sect rules would protect me though, at least from any spirit my Green qi could grab the attention of."

Ling Qi sighed and fell backwards into an awkward sprawl, "I'm sorry Meizahn. I had a plan, I just wasn't ready for that level of...everything. I also can't feel my legs, so could you help me to my room? I would have Zhengui do it, but I can't seem to coax him out of his shell right now."


AN//: Just a little idea I had about how we could fill that qi card without any political consequences and with something useful. I don't think it will actually wor this way, but it was a fun idea that I couldn't get out of my head.
 
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So, bit of a late night brainstorming session in the Discord, and we think we might have cottoned onto Ji Rong's strategy, and hoo boy is it a doozy.

We've noticed that he's conspicuously avoided revealing his Domain Weapon and his Standard Weapon, even at the cost of making his fight against Guangli much harder than it needed to be. It suggests that they're big trump cards. We know that Sun Liling would have armed him as a Ling Qi seeking missile after the dunking on that Guangli gets from Lu Feng and Ji Rong.

So, we look around, and go "Well, how the fuck does he beat her then, an alpha strike build can be effective early on, but it can't keep up with the buff cycle."

Then I realized it, something that we know for sure the Sun Faction has access to.

Inventory said:
-4 Disruptor Arrows: On dealing damage, dispels the lowest ranked buff on the target. Cannot affect buffs of four dots or higher

How hard would it be for Ji Rong to get a set of gauntlets made that include an effect like this? Every time he lands a hit, he dispels our defensive buffs. He opens up with a lot of force, and then prevents us from ramping up to match him. Couple that with arts that keep us from retreating (Or some kind of area that gives us limited mobility anyway), and access to aggravated damage (Either through poisons, arts, or some other consumable--the bad touch blood that Sun Liling has had for ages is a good example for instance), and he'd pound us into dirt in short order, with our publicly known build, and it wouldn't even look too Pay To Win so much as "Did his research and brought the right gear set to win."

It's a rushdown that's frightfully vulnerable to Worm Mosh Pit though. Even if he's brought a Domain Weapon that can deal with our spiritual attacks so he can optimize purely for a beatdown himself, or something else.
 
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Something like that is going to soak up a huge amount of enchanting resources that could have gone into something else. If that is his strategy I think we are pretty set. We just have too much damage negation to be particularly worried about dispel a buff on damage dealt.
 
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