Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
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Not sure I agree with this:
Lu Feng likely does have aggravated damage as part of his kit. Whether Ji Rong will is another matter, of course, because his arts suite is of an entirely different element set.
This could be agg damage, but that is absolutely not a guarantee. It could just as easily be a repeating damage over time like our song that hits twice. Increasing amounts of fresh blood fit all sorts of damage types.
You are correct though, even if lu feng is throwing around an agg damage art that doesn't mean that Ji rong is. His build could have entirely changed to fit with the blood jungle arts, but even with talent 7 he would have to build up some sort of base for the art and then level it high enough that it gives agg damage and enough dice to let him actually connect with ling qi to make a dispelling set of gauntlets worthwhile.
DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
If Perfect damage (because let's be clear that's what we're talking about here) into autodispels was even a viable thing at Green I think we would be seeing it a lot more, to the point where it would overcentralize and disrupt this whole buff-centered meta we've experienced. I don't think we would observe the sorts of things we've observed already if that was the case.
And look at this quote from yrs in the rules changes:
Earlier in the quest, yrs recognized that automatic dispels were causing serious problems in the meta and did something about it. Perfect damage into damage triggered autodispels are basically autodispels, I don't think yrs is going to stumble into the same pit twice.
And look at this quote from yrs in the rules changes:
Earlier in the quest, yrs recognized that automatic dispels were causing serious problems in the meta and did something about it. Perfect damage into damage triggered autodispels are basically autodispels, I don't think yrs is going to stumble into the same pit twice.
BungieONI
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As far as I know there is a difference in what Alectai is talking about between perfect damage and Aggravated damage. *blinks* But I'm really sleepy right now, so I'm just gonna pack it in before I perform some kind of sleep deprived foot into mouth incident.
Not really. Ji Rong should be faster than the horror, so he'll attack first.
DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
If Agg damage can't be blocked by Qi like semiperfect (with appropriate semiperfect defense tech) AND it heals slower, then it is even better than Perfect damage which is already stupidly good and hard to get. AFAIK Agg only has the healing thing, not the anti-blocking.
Whether its Perfect damage, or better-than-perfect-different-category damage, it doesn't change that strapping it to a repeatable on-damage dispel effect is basically putting a fig leaf over an autodispel.
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Normal, Semi-Perfect, and Perfect all refer to damage that can be blocked by expenditure of Qi with various means.
Normal can be blocked by anybody with the Qi to spend, Semi-Perfect and Perfect can only be blocked by techniques that grant that ability, with Perfect damage - and defenses - being rarer and usually more expensive than Semi-Perfect.
Aggravated damage, meanwhile, is a type of health damage, which is in the following stages:
Taken from the 'Tutorials' informational post.
So 'perfect' and 'aggravated' are two different things... which means that they can potentially stack.
Normal, Semi-Perfect, and Perfect refer to types of incoming damage, while Bashing, Lethal, and Aggravated refer to types of damage actually taken to health, after Qi blocking has been applied.
Hope that helps.
Arkeus
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Ehhh, 'on-damage' dispels would be nasty but not that nasty as long as we have our defences up. auto-dispels are scaled back, so that means there will be a roll, and we get +3 from choker and another +3 if enemy is affected by a music art, so we'd have decent chance to resist the dispel even if it procs. However, for it to procs Ji Rong would need perfect damage (TRD takes cares of semi) and if we have our defences up we have 3 perfect defence from GCD+HRA, with another 1 from OwS and 1 damage negation from TRU potentially (probably not going to use that one).
The problem would obviously be putting those defences up, and I don't believe he would have on-damage dispels on his gear because it's horrifically broken. Still, Ling Qi is well equipped against that.
Amusingly, before rule changes, the musical support of the enemies in dark dreams had a musical tech that procced a dispel clash on every turns on all enemies. Broken as fuck, and hopefully something @yrsillar realised later.
Wait, we're talking on-damage? I thought we were talking on-hit.
On-damage isn't too bad... Unless it's Liling sticking +2 perfect on flurries.
Sirrocco
Pedantic
SCS isn't even mastered yet. It's not going to be time to replace it for a while. Heck, we still have the meridians from FZ and FSA to swap out.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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Yup, basically why I think this would be something to expect with Liling, not Ji Rong. On-damage should still be ducal tier shit, but you'd need an actual build meant to leverage it. Sun Liling has that build, with how she already had +2 bonus perfect damage on her flurries in week 32, and since then she has gotten her equivalent to FVM8 for Scarlet Devil Rainment, slotted it, then got Sangune Ashura Armament (not sure she got the first level of that, but I could see Sun Shao making her pass the threshold).
I am somewhat expecting current liling to have flurring of 4 attacks with 3/4 bonus perfect damage on each hit.
fictionfan
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I don't think that Ji Rong has access to any sites as good as ours. Man he has really managed to throw away fortunate.
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Yeah, as Axel Fones said, this was a great peep into the life of a pretty minor figure in the quest. Really hope it gets canonized, it'd be nice to have someone explain to her she isn't nearly a big enough deal to throw her weight around like she has. More than that, I'm hoping it'll bring the whole drama into relevance so we can hear more about what's going on with Suyin's vengeance.
Errrm, does the moon want us to use the card on Xiulan? She's the one with the Sun element in her blood, I don't think we have any reason to believe that Liling does...
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Er ... Sun Liling ?
He probably had some good for Yellow level. But it was engineered, so its less stupidity and more thoroughly played.
Aranfan
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Names are chinese, not english. Sun isn't at all the same thing as the ball of plasma in the sky.
Sun Wukong's surname in this case.
Literally Grandchild(male)
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It's been said many times in the thread already that the "Sun" in Sun Liling has nothing to do with the celestial body. Nor would simply having the name make "sun-drenched" a relevant description in the way that Xiulan called Jiao "moon-drenched".
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I very much doubt Ling Qi would have accepted the deal if it meant she could only use the card on Xiulan.
Even beyond how utterly out of character turning on one of her friends would be for Ling Qi, it's not even useful since we won't be facing her in the tournament anyway.
Even beyond how utterly out of character turning on one of her friends would be for Ling Qi, it's not even useful since we won't be facing her in the tournament anyway.
I have always assumed that the great spirit the Sun clan serves is one of the sun and blood. It has the seemingly Aztec theme and the sunflower connection. I could be wrong though.
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Yes. No one suggested Ling Qi knowingly agreed to that, it would be silly on her part. Either Hangwind worded it weirdly or things won't go as Ling Qi suspected.
I suspect Hangwind was referencing Xiulan speaking of Jiao
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Probably too tenuous a link when there's already a competitor with Sun drenched blood.
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Fair enough. Let's see here...
Okay, I changed it from "sun-drenched" to "child of foreign blood". Does that sound better?
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