Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Sending CRX out to a border fief would absolutely hurt her personal cultivation because of more time spent pacifying the area (as well as Ling Qi's and GG's), which is why everyone in story was expecting CRX to get an interior fief to give her management experience without sacrificing personal cultivation as much. However, if CRX proves herself a worthy heir, then maybe Shenhua plans to use her cheat to boost CRX's personal cultivation. So sending CRX to the border fief won't reduce CRX's personal cultivation in the long run. Of course Ling Qi might not get the benefit of that cheat.

Not quite correct.

A crude point breakdown:
-Interior fief
--Pro: Access to political courts
--Pro: Stable environment, attention will not be distracted from cultivation and stewardship
--Pro: Well developed lands, requires minimal investment to be profitable
--Con: Resources largely fully utilized, there are no tombs or hidden places of power not already in use.
--Con: Few chances to win meritorious deeds, beyond putting down rebellions and squeezing blood from stone in adminstrative improvements
--Con: Expansionism requires civil war.
--Con: Conservative environment, will resist new ideas implemented by a young noble

-Border fief
--Pro: Access to untapped resources and opportunities in the wilderness
--Pro: Many opportunities to win prestige against barbarians and wild spirits, or building wilderness up to Imperial standards
--Pro: Room to expand into if you had the power
--Con: Isolated from political courts, difficulty in establishing new contacts without spending significant time away from fief
--Con: Dangerous environment, high risk of lost progress or permanent harm from enemy action
--Con: Lack of urban facilities, many services and goods will have to be imported
--Con: Low margins of error, the systems and resources just aren't there to absorb many mistakes.

Put simply, a border fief is a Trial.
Do well and you can come out significantly ahead, not unlike Sun Shao(though he's an extreme example). Fuck up and you can be ruined for life...again, not unlike Sun Shao.

People expect CRX to be assigned an interior fief because its crazy to send your only heir out to the border regions. You have to be ambitious and reckless to do that.
They don't know CSH treats her daughter as another product she's developing. If she fails, she'd just make another.
 
Spinning Webs
Spinning Webs
A most delightful opportunity had arrived.

Nearly fallen into my lap, really.

A young man muttered almost happily to himself, idly toying with a faux-man-chu as he walked through the grey area that lay between the Inner Sect and Outer Sect territory of the Argent Peaks. Oh ho, yes. The rumors had been flowing constantly, and a little birdie had literally been loose lipped about a certain wealthy noble with whom an unbacked Cultivator could develop a connection and understanding. Yes indeed. The Sun thing had been a bust, I mused, especially after he had confirmed just how rotting that sinking ship was with the Princess herself, and that meant only one thing!

Time for more networking!

It was this decision which brought me here, to the bottom of a rocky valley, footsteps unhurried as even with closed eyes the world around me was still as obvious as ever. The Inner Sect disciple didn't even need to rely on any particular skills to find my destination - all that was needed was to have Brother Wind tell find where the screaming wind spirits were - and within what felt like mere moments a large construction came into view.

A webbed, cocoon-like workshop attached stubbornly to the side of the valley, from which billowed all sorts of exotic smoke and detritus from the crafting process. As prodigious as the my sensory skills were, it would be better to avoid finding out too much about what was at work in that madhouse, and with that decision in mind I stepped forward, bowing politely towards the bizarre structure holding a similarly bizarre individual.

"Sect Brother Zhiqiang greets Sect Sister Bao!" I call out, bowing deeply, "This one seeks to hold council with you, if time and circumstances permit." And if that misanthrope does not, I have my ways to make her listen. Oh yes. Someone like her would not have heard of the gossip I was aware of, and if my understanding of the Bao siblings characters was correct...Then there was leverage to exploit, for sure.

No answer was forthcoming, but that was fine: I could wait.

Hours ticked by as I held my bowing pose, and Brother Wind busied himself by desperately corralling the formless first realm wind spirits away from the oversized web which had proven to be the bane of so many of their kind. Ah, but what else should I expect from a gossipmonger, to be anything other than a busybody?

Time still passed as the Sun began to set, and even so a veritable cloud of the wind spirits had gathered around me, the result of Brother Winds own efforts to save the mindless, irreverent things from the inevitable course of their fates as being the food of some oversized arachnid. But that was fine, I held little doubt that a spirit which survived off taking sustenance from such a trap would allow that deprivation to go unanswered.

The first stars appeared in the sky before I detected a response; a hatch at the very top of the structure sliding open. My senses cast upon it revealed a ladder leading into it's claustrophobic depths, and with a nod of thanks I approached the unwelcoming cliff face. Heavenly Qi launched from me, two arrows which sank deeply into the top of the cliff and another at it's foot, tethered together by a ghostly flickering of Qi, split into two threads. A tap of the foot sifted the earth at my feet, and a comfortable platform was raised, quickly attaching itself to the crude pulley system I had constructed.

It took only moments before I had ascended to my destination, and for the sake of propriety I took a few more as I carefully entered the lair of Bao Qingling.

"So." The willowy woman before me stated without preamble, "Why are you here?"

I settled myself into a seat at what I assumed was a sitting room, and after noting a lack of tea being prepared decided that was fair enough before going straight to business, "I have some information you may be interested in, and would like to propose a deal."

My pale, raccoon-eyed fellow Disciple narrowed her eyes, "And who are you again?" With a flourish, I produced a jade slip with my name, business, and contact information. Gloved hands snatched it from my grip, the action so smooth as to be nearly mechanical, and it was but a moment before she glanced back at me.

"I think I've heard of you."

"Only good things, I hope." I say, a winsome smile as my free hand returns to pawing my facial hair.

"Not particularly." Bao places the slip into a pocket, "So what's the information?"

I consider my approach, now that I've made the necessary introductions. This woman was straightforward. Painfully so. If I tried to dance around the subject and dragged out the conversation I'd only rankle her, which was the exact opposite of what I wanted. However, if I gave her the information I had, and framed it correctly...She'd likely just give me what I wanted as a matter of course. That made things simple.

I took a deep breath.

"It's come to my attention that before the week is through, your Honored Brother intends to drop in on you to see how you're doing." I say bluntly, and watch as Bao's face blanches, "Given that he appears to have initially been here to negotiate deals with the Guo and their vassals while providing face to the Cai, this turn of events was likely due to a spontaneous decision on his part."

Whatever uninterested apathy that had existed within her gaze was long gone, the Spider-woman now intently focused upon me, "So my fatass of a brother is coming." Gloved fingers flexed, the scaled leather creaking slightly from the motion, "When."

I shrug, "It's unknown, exactly, when he will find the time to come visit. But given the schedule of the tournament, there are only so many opportunities that will arise."

Dark eyes glance to the side in annoyance, as the craftswoman before me begins going over the nature of her projects, which ones she can afford to leave abandoned, which ones she can afford to leave around for her sibling to take a potential interest in, and any other number of factors. Ordinarily, I'd be fascinated as well, but the cultivator before me had a certain reputation for how much she valued her privacy. For all my flaws, I was not so curious as to pick a fight with a near-peer in the center of her power, no sir.

I intended to keep my true strength a secret for just a bit longer, after all.

"I would like to offer my services in this matter." I continue after a moment, drawing Bao's attention back to me, "I would hope to have an opportunity to chat with your Honored Brother, and while under ordinary circumstances I don't think you would be able to take proper measures on short notice..." I stroked my beard once again, "I'm sure that will be less of a concern if your Honored Brother finds his time eaten up in conversation, thus limiting the time he could spare from his very busy schedule."

"Go on."

"It is nothing complicated." I continue, "Through my own means I could give you an early warning for when your brother is on his way, and I could 'coincidentally' be in the area, you provide a suitable context and excuse for he and I to meet and converse, I take up as much of his time as I can, and you don't have to worry about him having enough opportunity to violate the privacy of your workshop." I raise an eyebrow at the infamously needley woman before me, "Does this deal sound like it's to your liking, Sect Sister?"

Bao Qingling stands up, staring at me, "I can reach you with the information on that slip you gave me, correct?"

"Absolutely."

She nods, "I'll consider it." A boot raises up, as if to stomp before pausing in the air, "One last question: What made my brother decide to be nosy all of a sudden?"

I shrug, "Something about the visit from Cai Renxiang's newest retainer. That commoner girl, Junior Sister..." Ling Qi, thank you, Brother Wind, "Ling Qi, I think it was."

The raccoon-eyes before me narrow, "Thank you for the information, Sect Brother." The boot stomps down, and then the woman's bizarre spider spirit grabs her and drags her deeper into this screwed up funhouse of a workshop.

Well.

That had been a productive way to spend the evening!
 
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Hoooo my. That was a LOT more entertaining than i thought it would be. Trully, the stakes are different when cultivation is added. Freaking spider lairs.

Also this guy is kinda my favorite male cultivator now. Didnt realize how shallowly I liked the other guys in this story. Closest to him is that mud guy we just faced on the tourney.
 
There were several such yards around the city, as production of lumber was the Emerald Seas province's main export and contribution to the empire.

Interesting trivia here.

Transporting wood is fucking hard IRL, which is why before the industrial revolution and even relativelly often now, wood was sent trough rivers.

It isn't the case here as we haven't heard of a massive river near the sect.

What does this tell us ? Well, it mean cultivators or spirit beast (and their cultivators handlers) are used to transport goods across the empire.

So for our fief, we will not only need cultivators for our army but also for our trade (and probably a lot of other professions that never came up).

On a side note, it make capturing the barbarian herds really important as we could use them to build a trade network.
 
There are also storage rings, we don't know how common such techniques are. I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be enough actual rings to move stuff in any great quantity, we would have gotten one earlier if so, but it's likely possible to make a lesser version, say a much larger space in a chest. Not easily portable personally, but much better in trade routes.

Alternatively, the rings are used (I can imagine they might be a similar investment as what a carriage would be for humans) and wood is just much more valuable because only small amounts are transported at once. As it's probably spirit wood, that seems possible.

This all said, cultivators will still be needed to carry the rings/chests/whatever. It just might not be as many.

Makes sense, with how this is supposed to be a death world. Large, frequently used trade routes are likely rather rare, if they exist at all. You would then want the highest quality goods, which fits with Xianxia economy in general.
 
Also I find it quite impossible for there to not be Cultivator Bandits. Surely they are able to survive in places with old families wih no strong decendants. Also the possibility of Cultivators being used as bandits to attack a rival fief should also be something to deal with.

After all, in any and all storys even remotely similar to these, the capital usualy breeds players of the cloak and dagger game. So it might not be a bad thing for us to be in a border fief to give us time to consolidate our cultivation first.
 
Also this guy is kinda my favorite male cultivator now. Didnt realize how shallowly I liked the other guys in this story. Closest to him is that mud guy we just faced on the tourney.
I've mentioned before that characters that get screen time are characters that become popular. So the catch-22 preventing characters like Xuan Shi and Gu Tai from ever becoming popular is that they need voters to vote for them in order to get voters to vote for them.

There are a few ways for characters to circumvent this; mainly, to get in on the ground floor, before voting blocks solidify, like Li Suyin, Bai Meizhen, and Gu Xiulan; to be forcefully slotted in (Ling Qi herself occupies this position, as the protagonist, and so does Zhengui, as a tangible reward with a clear emotional niche); or to be popular for reasons that have little to do with the actual character themselves (such as memes, waifuability, or game advantage). There are several other barriers to gaining popularity, like actually being likable (which means conforming to a narrow band of SV-friendly characteristics), being distinct, and, of course, a basic quality check—did the writer (usually yrsillar) effectively communicate what they intended—which determines whether or not a character actually does pick up speed, but the criteria I listed in this paragraph's first sentence are the foremost and most important roadblocks to a character's introduction and debut in the minds of readers.

This omake guy has had several appearances that haven't required any voter action at all, and therefore has passed the 'introduction' stage and gone straight to quality check and conformity check without nearly as many barriers compared to the many characters who required the commitment of valuable minor actions.
Did you meant barbarians ?
Barbarians and bandits are quite different. The first is a cultural marker, and the second is a class or social marker.
Also I find it quite impossible for there to not be Cultivator Bandits. Surely they are able to survive in places with old families wih no strong decendants. Also the possibility of Cultivators being used as bandits to attack a rival fief should also be something to deal with.
Apparently, unattached cultivators get visits from an agent from the Ministry of Integrity (all of whom have bound Death spirits, so...). It's an ongoing Imperial project to eliminate such things.

At the same time, that means that it's an ongoing project. They exist, and wiping them out entirely is probably impossible.
 
In case it wasnt clear, I intend to use Zhiqiangs obsession with networking to further cast light on other minor characters through my interpretations of them.

Fu Xiang and Xuan Shi are next on that list, incidentally.
 
Apparently, unattached cultivators get visits from an agent from the Ministry of Integrity (all of whom have bound Death spirits, so...). It's an ongoing Imperial project to eliminate such things.
The Ministry only bother the Green+ unattached cultivators, Reds/Yellows bandits cultivators, the deserters of the army or the guard, are probably quite numerous.
 
The Ministry only bother the Green+ unattached cultivators, Reds/Yellows bandits cultivators, the deserters of the army or the guard, are probably quite numerous.

Nah. You need a certain power level to be able to survive in a death world. Red and yellow simply don't have it.

Also succesfull bandit get sudden angry green+ visit because they took money from them.
 
Not quite correct.

A crude point breakdown:
-Interior fief
--Pro: Access to political courts
--Pro: Stable environment, attention will not be distracted from cultivation and stewardship
--Pro: Well developed lands, requires minimal investment to be profitable
--Con: Resources largely fully utilized, there are no tombs or hidden places of power not already in use.
--Con: Few chances to win meritorious deeds, beyond putting down rebellions and squeezing blood from stone in adminstrative improvements
--Con: Expansionism requires civil war.
--Con: Conservative environment, will resist new ideas implemented by a young noble

-Border fief
--Pro: Access to untapped resources and opportunities in the wilderness
--Pro: Many opportunities to win prestige against barbarians and wild spirits, or building wilderness up to Imperial standards
--Pro: Room to expand into if you had the power
--Con: Isolated from political courts, difficulty in establishing new contacts without spending significant time away from fief
--Con: Dangerous environment, high risk of lost progress or permanent harm from enemy action
--Con: Lack of urban facilities, many services and goods will have to be imported
--Con: Low margins of error, the systems and resources just aren't there to absorb many mistakes.

Put simply, a border fief is a Trial.
Do well and you can come out significantly ahead, not unlike Sun Shao(though he's an extreme example). Fuck up and you can be ruined for life...again, not unlike Sun Shao.

People expect CRX to be assigned an interior fief because its crazy to send your only heir out to the border regions. You have to be ambitious and reckless to do that.
They don't know CSH treats her daughter as another product she's developing. If she fails, she'd just make another.
My main point is that a border fief vs interior fief has less time for personal cultivation (mostly because of barbarian raids), and maybe Shenhua is planning to overcome that downside by giving CRX the cheat codes Shenhua used to jump into White over a mere 10 years. Obviously, cheat codes are a reward for if CRX proves herself worthy.
 
I do wonder why Shenhua wants an heir at such a young age. She presumably isn't planning on dying anytime soon. Founding a broader clan seems like a possible motivation, but I also wonder about whether CRX could be an engineered entity of some kind that can later be used to advance her own Cultivation.

I'd also be very sceptical about her giving CRX whatever allowed her to advance so fast. With an expected lifespans of a thousand years, it would be very easy for CRX to get impatient and decide to hurry along the succession if she has to wait multiple centuries as her mother's peer before inheriting and then only rule comparatively briefly
 
I do wonder why Shenhua wants an heir at such a young age. She presumably isn't planning on dying anytime soon. Founding a broader clan seems like a possible motivation, but I also wonder about whether CRX could be an engineered entity of some kind that can later be used to advance her own Cultivation.

I'd also be very sceptical about her giving CRX whatever allowed her to advance so fast. With an expected lifespans of a thousand years, it would be very easy for CRX to get impatient and decide to hurry along the succession if she has to wait multiple centuries as her mother's peer before inheriting and then only rule comparatively briefly

Well if she wants to found a proper clan she does not want just one White grade child and for that matter I expect the odds of succeeding on the first attempt are pretty low even with her unique resources. To throw out random numbers she might feel she only has about a 1/10 chance of succeeding on a given attempt with each taking a half century to 'mature'. At that point? Time starts becoming more of an issue plus even failures are liable to be very capable cultivators who are useful to have around for all sorts of reasons from marriage alliances to vassals to establishing cadet branches.
 
The closest comparison she could make was a time when she was very young, young enough to be with her mother, and plague had swept through one of the neighboring wards of the city. It had been barricaded off and quarantined of course, but she could still remember the smells and the sound of disease and suffering.

Another interesting trivia. Diseases are still a thing here. As such, one of the most important thing to build will be clean bath houses, toilet and sewer in our fief if it don't come with them.

Edit : Getting the formation Shen hu had on his bucket to get clear water is a massive priority for me.
 
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Since the water was specifically for feeding Lanhua, his bucket is probably several orders of magnitude more complicated than a simple water purification formation.

Moreover, it's not the presence of bath-houses and associated structures that actually helps reduce disease. After all, the Roman bath-houses were filthy by our standards, and even helped to spread parasites, and they had huge sewers for the time. No, tautologically, it's the knowledge of how to effectively prevent disease that helps reduce disease (hand-washing, separation of water intended for each end of your gut, etc.), and that's knowledge that Ling Qi probably doesn't have in excess of the rest of the Empire.
 
Since the water was specifically for feeding Lanhua, his bucket is probably several orders of magnitude more complicated than a simple water purification formation.

Moreover, it's not the presence of bath-houses and associated structures that actually helps reduce disease. After all, the Roman bath-houses were filthy by our standards, and even helped to spread parasites, and they had huge sewers for the time. No, tautologically, it's the knowledge of how to effectively prevent disease that helps reduce disease (hand-washing, separation of water intended for each end of your gut, etc.), and that's knowledge that Ling Qi probably doesn't have in excess of the rest of the Empire.

We don't need special knowledge to effectively prevent disease to apply those, tho.

For exemple putting up clean toilet and a sewer system would help with preventing disease even if we only made them because we want clean streets.

Same goes for baths.

Putting clean water fountain would help here too.
 
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I do wonder why Shenhua wants an heir at such a young age. She presumably isn't planning on dying anytime soon. Founding a broader clan seems like a possible motivation, but I also wonder about whether CRX could be an engineered entity of some kind that can later be used to advance her own Cultivation.

I'd also be very sceptical about her giving CRX whatever allowed her to advance so fast. With an expected lifespans of a thousand years, it would be very easy for CRX to get impatient and decide to hurry along the succession if she has to wait multiple centuries as her mother's peer before inheriting and then only rule comparatively briefly

I don't think she does, tbh.

CRX is a tool meant to accomplish something specific, the position of heir is just to make sure she has the authority to do it. Being her own child is to give Shenhua all the levers she needs to make sure the final product turns out the way she likes.


Shenhua is a tyrant. Tyrants generally don't like power beyond what is absolutely necessary leaving their own hand.


As for the speculation about cultivation... combat is actually supposed to be good for cultivation, although we haven't seen that much of it. Even if we had signed on with the sect, we'd be expected to spend eight years in the military during prime cultivation time.


Edit: so many shitty mistypes..
 
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Currently, as soon as Cai Shenhua dies or ascends as a Great Spirit, her Order collapses. Currently, there is effectively no clan Cai in terms of continuing her legacy. If she cares about that, then she has to start early because rising to Violet/Prism usually takes a couple centuries for even the very talented, if they make it at all, and that's the level of power a Ducal family needs to stay in power. And that's with established houses; the Cai are in a more fragile position due to the fact it's literally a three, soon to be four, person household.

We don't know what Shenhua's actual goals are, but conventional logic has her pumping out kids at, if anything, a faster pace. Clan Cai is wealthy enough for the expense.
 
Currently, as soon as Cai Shenhua dies or ascends as a Great Spirit, her Order collapses. Currently, there is effectively no clan Cai in terms of continuing her legacy. If she cares about that, then she has to start early because rising to Violet/Prism usually takes a couple centuries for even the very talented, if they make it at all, and that's the level of power a Ducal family needs to stay in power. And that's with established houses; the Cai are in a more fragile position due to the fact it's literally a three, soon to be four, person household.

We don't know what Shenhua's actual goals are, but conventional logic has her pumping out kids at, if anything, a faster pace. Clan Cai is wealthy enough for the expense.
Always two there are. No more, no less. A Tyrant and an Heir.
 
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