Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Something like that is going to soak up a huge amount of enchanting resources that could have gone into something else. If that is his strategy I think we are pretty set. We just have too much damage negation to be particularly worried about dispel a buff on damage dealt.

We do in the early stage unfortunately. Our damage negation takes time to ramp up to full power, and Ji Rong's build can probably pull a nasty alpha up. If we can never get our defense to keep up, he'll beat us in the same fashion we've beaten others--because every turn he dispels us is another turn he can ramp up even further without us matching his pace.

It's very much a winning strategy against Ling Qi as publicly known. And Ji Rong's probably been kitted out to break her over his knee after the dunking Guangli got, hence why he conspicuously didn't use either his weapon or his Domain Weapon--to avoid tipping us off.
 
We do in the early stage unfortunately. Our damage negation takes time to ramp up to full power, and Ji Rong's build can probably pull a nasty alpha up. If we can never get our defense to keep up, he'll beat us in the same fashion we've beaten others--because every turn he dispels us is another turn he can ramp up even further without us matching his pace.

It's very much a winning strategy against Ling Qi as publicly known.
Of course if you interpose Zhengui then things get a little more complicated and as mentioned there are ~options~ to deal with this.
 
Of course if you interpose Zhengui then things get a little more complicated and as mentioned there are ~options~ to deal with this.

Yeah, it's a winning strategy on his part based on information we know exists. If another one exists, it'll probably be a complete OCP, and those can't really be accounted for.

That doesn't mean it wins against Ling Qi as in reality rather than the Ling Qi that's publicly known, and we've done good at pretending to be Ling Qi as Publicly Known so far.
 
It's very much a winning strategy against Ling Qi as publicly known. And Ji Rong's probably been kitted out to break her over his knee after the dunking Guangli got, hence why he conspicuously didn't use either his weapon or his Domain Weapon--to avoid tipping us off.

Fortunately, Ling Qi has her own trump cards to play in the form of Zhengui and the Hentai Worm Pit strategy.
 
How hard would it be for Ji Rong to get a set of gauntlets made that include an effect like this? Every time he lands a hit, he dispels our defensive buffs. He opens up with a lot of force, and then prevents us from ramping up to match him.
It should be really hard. That's actually horrifically OP, and I can't believe I didn't notice that earlier.

That isn't something that's an "us" counter - that's an everyone counter.

It's only reasonable if to do that he had to sacrifice all other weapon effects - so no AP or dice or anything.
 
It should be really hard. That's actually horrifically OP, and I can't believe I didn't notice that earlier.

That isn't something that's an "us" counter - that's an everyone counter.

It's only reasonable if to do that he had to sacrifice all other weapon effects - so no AP or dice or anything.

I would say that sacrificing the other traits for an effect like that would be pretty reasonable, especially since most of his damage output probably comes from his passives anyway.

Or hell, even it just only working a few times per battle--but he doesn't need to have it last forever, just long enough to get decisively ahead on the buff cycle and then pound us into the dirt, and if he hasn't won in five turns or so, he's probably not going to, because his Qi would be running dry given his probably limited reserves.
 
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if he hasn't won in five turns or so, he's probably not going to, because his Qi would be running dry given his probably limited reserves.

I'm thinking this is the first fight Singing Mist Blade will really shine.

Enemy with low qi reserves, no focus on spiritual defense, and either no Domain Weapon to block with or a 10 dicer?

Yes please.
 
I'm thinking this is the first fight Singing Mist Blade will really shine.

Enemy with low qi reserves, no focus on spiritual defense, and either no Domain Weapon to block with or a 10 dicer?

Yes please.

Nah, bet's on that he has a Defensive Domain Weapon optimized towards Spiritual Defense. So he'll have the Singing Mist Blade stalemated

Again, he kept his Domain Weapon and his Gauntlets under his hat, even at risk of making his fight against Guangli harder, they're probably key to his strategy against us--and he'd tip off his plan by using them early.
 
So, bit of a late night brainstorming session in the Discord, and we think we might have cottoned onto Ji Rong's strategy, and hoo boy is it a doozy.

We've noticed that he's conspicuously avoided revealing his Domain Weapon and his Standard Weapon, even at the cost of making his fight against Guangli much harder than it needed to be. It suggests that they're big trump cards. We know that Sun Liling would have armed him as a Ling Qi seeking missile after the dunking on that Guangli gets from Lu Feng and Ji Rong.

So, we look around, and go "Well, how the fuck does he beat her then, an alpha strike build can be effective early on, but it can't keep up with the buff cycle."

Then I realized it, something that we know for sure the Sun Faction has access to.



How hard would it be for Ji Rong to get a set of gauntlets made that include an effect like this? Every time he lands a hit, he dispels our defensive buffs. He opens up with a lot of force, and then prevents us from ramping up to match him. Couple that with arts that keep us from retreating (Or some kind of area that gives us limited mobility anyway), and access to aggravated damage (Either through poisons, arts, or some other consumable--the bad touch blood that Sun Liling has had for ages is a good example for instance), and he'd pound us into dirt in short order, with our publicly known build, and it wouldn't even look too Pay To Win so much as "Did his research and brought the right gear set to win."

It's a rushdown that's frightfully vulnerable to Worm Mosh Pit though. Even if he's brought a Domain Weapon that can deal with our spiritual attacks so he can optimize purely for a beatdown himself, or something else.
So the plan is still drown him in hentai-worms with a side-dish of sneak-turtle and then PLR-lock his arms meridians ?
Good thing we capped both those arts!
 
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So, bit of a late night brainstorming session in the Discord, and we think we might have cottoned onto Ji Rong's strategy, and hoo boy is it a doozy.

We've noticed that he's conspicuously avoided revealing his Domain Weapon and his Standard Weapon, even at the cost of making his fight against Guangli much harder than it needed to be. It suggests that they're big trump cards. We know that Sun Liling would have armed him as a Ling Qi seeking missile after the dunking on that Guangli gets from Lu Feng and Ji Rong.

So, we look around, and go "Well, how the fuck does he beat her then, an alpha strike build can be effective early on, but it can't keep up with the buff cycle."

Then I realized it, something that we know for sure the Sun Faction has access to.



How hard would it be for Ji Rong to get a set of gauntlets made that include an effect like this? Every time he lands a hit, he dispels our defensive buffs. He opens up with a lot of force, and then prevents us from ramping up to match him. Couple that with arts that keep us from retreating (Or some kind of area that gives us limited mobility anyway), and access to aggravated damage (Either through poisons, arts, or some other consumable--the bad touch blood that Sun Liling has had for ages is a good example for instance), and he'd pound us into dirt in short order, with our publicly known build, and it wouldn't even look too Pay To Win so much as "Did his research and brought the right gear set to win."

It's a rushdown that's frightfully vulnerable to Worm Mosh Pit though. Even if he's brought a Domain Weapon that can deal with our spiritual attacks so he can optimize purely for a beatdown himself, or something else.

If it's the case the horror would be very usefull, by preventing any alpha strike from succeding.
 
At some point Ling Qi has to talk to Ji Rong, now that the year has gone and the more formal 'war' is over.

One goal of such could be the low risk high reward mention that Qi was almost framed for a crime by a puppet early in the year, and she was wondering if a fellow former commoner might have been similarly target for framing. Cue implications.

Though that might have occurred to Rong before and he's beyond caring past getting supplies from a powerful backer. I've a poor grasp of him.
 
Ji Rong's basically a typical xianxia protagonist. That means he holds grudges for a long, long time. I doubt that he'd be able to reconcile with Cai at this point.
It would be about driving a wedge between him and Sun by leading him to consider she paid the worm to ruin the shaky reputations of relatively powerful commoners to weaken Cai's faction and possibly strengthen her own, as happened by Rong joining up.
 
How hard would it be for Ji Rong to get a set of gauntlets made that include an effect like this? Every time he lands a hit, he dispels our defensive buffs. He opens up with a lot of force, and then prevents us from ramping up to match him. Couple that with arts that keep us from retreating (Or some kind of area that gives us limited mobility anyway), and access to aggravated damage (Either through poisons, arts, or some other consumable--the bad touch blood that Sun Liling has had for ages is a good example for instance), and he'd pound us into dirt in short order, with our publicly known build, and it wouldn't even look too Pay To Win so much as "Did his research and brought the right gear set to win."

It's a rushdown that's frightfully vulnerable to Worm Mosh Pit though. Even if he's brought a Domain Weapon that can deal with our spiritual attacks so he can optimize purely for a beatdown himself, or something else.
I think you have the right idea regarding Ji Rong's strategy, but I don't think it will be his equipment that will be doing the dispelling.

My thought is that Ji Rong got himself a potent lightning art that does a dispel effect, similar to what our singular lightning art does.

Disruptive Star: oo
cost: 5 qi
A more complex technique, focusing on the heavenly aspect of the art, the user's arrow crackles with latent electricity and when it strikes home, disrupts the enemy's qi and nerves from the shock. Adds three dice to the offensive clash, and on hit halves enemy speed for three turns. Additionally, on damage, attempts a dispel clash against the targets lowest ranked buff, with a two die bonus to the attempt.

It is a frightful possibility that Ji Rong has an art that revolves around this aspect of the Heaven element. FSA is Yang and Heaven aspected, which fits what we know of Ji Rong's style perfectly. He'll attempt to quickly pound a person into the ground and prevent them from actively engaging in their defensive arts. Unfortunately for him, we have some pretty potent dispell resists from AM, and it gets even more potent should the dispel target be a darkness or water art. Unfortunately, only one of our common defensive tools is darkness.

Either way, through his weapon or through an art, we should be careful of his ability to dispell our defensive buffs.
 
One of the risks are "On damage" dispel effects, like the disruptor arrows do. It's what I'm most worried about.
 
It would be about driving a wedge between him and Sun by leading him to consider she paid the worm to ruin the shaky reputations of relatively powerful commoners to weaken Cai's faction and possibly strengthen her own, as happened by Rong joining up.

If we want to try and drive a wedge between them I feel like a better way would be to point out how Sun is using his justifiable grudge against Cai for her own purposes. If he is kitted out to be anti-Ling Qi like others have speculated then we can point to her influencing what should be a very personal path of cultivation for her own ends. Maybe put some doubt into his head about how Sun won't let him surpass her in cultivation despite his natural talent.
 
We do in the early stage unfortunately. Our damage negation takes time to ramp up to full power, and Ji Rong's build can probably pull a nasty alpha up. If we can never get our defense to keep up, he'll beat us in the same fashion we've beaten others--because every turn he dispels us is another turn he can ramp up even further without us matching his pace.
We have instant semi perfect qi blocking. I don't expect him to be capable of throwing agg or perfect damage around so I'm really not that worried about a dispel on damage build. If it was on hit I would be, but I highly doubt he could have that effect on hit.
 
With regards to the dispel thing, the arrows only work on techniques up to three dots. Assuming that still holds for any gauntlet Ji Rong brings (any higher than that would probably come with qi costs or other drawbacks, and it may be less if the arrows were boosted by not being reusable) we have the following 4 dot buffs on our character sheet: Grinning Crescent Dancer, Traveler's End, Thousand Rings Unbreaking. GCD is instant/response but the other two are full actions, so we might want to alter the usual buff cycle to put the tougher to dispel techs earlier, even if it isn't as action efficient. Also, TRU's damage negation would really help with dispel on damage effects, so it may be worth using first anyway.
 
We have instant semi perfect qi blocking. I don't expect him to be capable of throwing agg or perfect damage around so I'm really not that worried about a dispel on damage build. If it was on hit I would be, but I highly doubt he could have that effect on hit.

Well, to be fair, if anyone's got access to poisons or talismans or tricks that let them push damage through a Semi-Perfect block, it's the Sun--easy access to Agg is kind of Liling's thing.
 
Well, to be fair, if anyone's got access to poisons or talismans or tricks that let them push damage through a Semi-Perfect block, it's the Sun--easy access to Agg is kind of Liling's thing.
Yeah it is liling's thing, not anyone else's. We didn't see Lu Feng busting out agg damage or gan shooting lasers from his eyes. Assuming that a minion will naturally have one of the most deadly things their boss has is a mistake, and tons of agg damage is part of liling's nastiest kit.
 
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