- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
One hour to open of vote.
Dragon Ball: After the End
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Of course, this is mostly unsupported speculation - we don't know for sure that this is the case, or if it is we don't know how it functions. "Eating" implies that he'll use his mouth to do so, in which case hitting him elsewhere might work - or psychic shenanigans might make that infeasible. Both Grandma and us would rather like to use ranged attacks (especially with Jaffur's trick currently being limited to them for us) so it would really suck to cripple ourselves in combat if we've read too much into its claims.
We should immediately telepathy the others that this might be the case, and to keep an eye out for it, being ready to immediately tell the others if they notice it doing so, but shouldn't immediately assume this is the case. Of course, we also have to make clear to them that the Dragon is mind reading super hard, so any ideas or communications we have are also compromised - the only surprises that will work are ones that also surprise ourselves (Oddball mindlessness?). I suppose we go in as we otherwise would (possibly leaning towards many smaller ki attacks instead of really big beams etc.), ready to switch to a pure-melee formation as soon as any ki absorption makes itself apparent?
We should immediately telepathy the others that this might be the case, and to keep an eye out for it, being ready to immediately tell the others if they notice it doing so, but shouldn't immediately assume this is the case. Of course, we also have to make clear to them that the Dragon is mind reading super hard, so any ideas or communications we have are also compromised - the only surprises that will work are ones that also surprise ourselves (Oddball mindlessness?). I suppose we go in as we otherwise would (possibly leaning towards many smaller ki attacks instead of really big beams etc.), ready to switch to a pure-melee formation as soon as any ki absorption makes itself apparent?
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Doing something different then we think should count under utter bullshit.
CaesriusPolybius
Worldgate Mechanic
- Location
- United States. Ish.
I mean, it could probably be done, but the only Exile close enough to Ultra Instinct to achieve it is that lady from the tournament... I think her name was Bulma? And she's nowhere near powerful enough.
Edit: spoilered because seriously, where the fuck is Super's dub at? I don't even vaguely know.
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Note that since we've established that the asshole dragon has been spoofing visions, you might not be able to rely on the veracity of anything those visions have previously shown. Yes, that includes the picture of all four Saiyans battered and facing the dragon.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Not to mention the Dragon himself seems to be good at the conventional form of bullshitting.
He probably enjoys listening to the mental panic of enemies.
dragonx99
Actually Satan
It's somewhere in the future Trunk's saga right now. Goku and Black have had one fight so far.
Also the fact that he said taste Ki might mean he s more like Cell compared to androids 19 or 20, I.E he can literally eat people to absorb their ki and increase their own power, but at the moment I wouldn't make any bets one way or another about what he means by it.
- Location
- Australia
@PoptartProdigy, which option is the most likely to make us win?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Against a giant enemy that we can't miss and can read our mind pure overwhelming force seems like the way to go.
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- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
It's time to put Oddball to work and go full Crocodile Hunter on it faster than you can say, "Crikey, me arm!"
Let's see how well it fights with a giant ape sitting on its neck, holding those jaws closed.
Also, let's punch it in the eye a few times.
Let's see how well it fights with a giant ape sitting on its neck, holding those jaws closed.
Also, let's punch it in the eye a few times.
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
>implying he'd actually answer that
- Location
- Australia
It's worth a try. Maybe I'll catch him while he's drunk and he'll post the answer against his better judgement.
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Noted, though I don't think any of our current plans and/or assumptions rely on that vision. Also, didn't it only notice we were Seers this update?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
@PoptartProdigy : Did Simon Jester get anything for writing the Legend of Marsden?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Well, insofar as you can trust anything the dragon says, what you've established is that it heard you, a seer, thinking about your visions regarding the dragon's arrival time, and based on information imparted (albeit unwittingly) by you, a seer, decided to deliberately fuck over the vision by arriving early. Not really spoofing so much as subverting.
He got it canonized, and I did not roll to see if it succeeded in its aims. It just did.
...seriously?
Yeah, no. I don't drink in the first place, and the answer is very no, now.
- Location
- Australia
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
Poptart probably would have spoken up about this, but I'll chime in with what they've said before: Poptart does not typically like having gendered pronouns applied to them, they prefer 'they' or 'them'.
Apologies if I'm out of line, Poptart.
- Location
- California
Could just be a figure of speech.
Hmm.
Seems likely to me that it's attempting to psyche us out.
But I'm not really versed enough in DB lore to propose any course of actions here.
CaesriusPolybius
Worldgate Mechanic
- Location
- United States. Ish.
... so in other words, they basically did it out of spite?
Huh. Mabe we can work that ego...
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
What was the aims?
Ando Owen
Yandere Illya is watching you.
- Location
- Montpellier
That dragon thing is sending me mixed signals. He feels like something between Bahamut-tier final boss and middle-sized fish trying to sound more important than he is. It's confusing to see such a possibly threatening foe behaving like a mid-tier dude who wants to go big league.
So, very powerful ki, but we actually display more than him right now. And he has telepathy, some kind of ability to affect precognition, and probably way more while hiding a bullshit trump card.
What I think of his abilities right now is some kind of inexhaustible energy supply and an extremely powerful dragon body to compensate a comparatively lacking ki output. He will likely have psychic attacks, mind reading, and several brands of esoteric mojo. He also mentioned how he grew stronger by defeating/eating his foes.
Seriously, I feel we are too lacking in information to deliver a lethal blow reliably. We need the dragon to show his hand, so we better pressure him. If we try to play safe, he might get bored and go kill civilians. He looks like he has enough villain savvy to do that.
As for the how? I think melee might be better. Energy dakka would exhaust us quickly and one of the usual flaws of prescience is that it deals badly with direct combat.
So, very powerful ki, but we actually display more than him right now. And he has telepathy, some kind of ability to affect precognition, and probably way more while hiding a bullshit trump card.
What I think of his abilities right now is some kind of inexhaustible energy supply and an extremely powerful dragon body to compensate a comparatively lacking ki output. He will likely have psychic attacks, mind reading, and several brands of esoteric mojo. He also mentioned how he grew stronger by defeating/eating his foes.
Seriously, I feel we are too lacking in information to deliver a lethal blow reliably. We need the dragon to show his hand, so we better pressure him. If we try to play safe, he might get bored and go kill civilians. He looks like he has enough villain savvy to do that.
As for the how? I think melee might be better. Energy dakka would exhaust us quickly and one of the usual flaws of prescience is that it deals badly with direct combat.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
So, let's see. Kikoho let's us fire at 1.35 when as FPSS we are at 1.125, which means it is currently a 1,2 modifier. GO is at 1,5 and Jaffur's trick is currently a 1.05 modifier so... if we aim a kikoho, using ki concentration we can shoot it at a PL of 1.89 billon units.
Alternatively, we could experiment and use USS as a GO, which puts us at 2,25 PL, 2,36 concentrated and 2,83 billon for Kikoho on top of that.
I might want to check if it can absorb ki or not before that.
If not that, I think we should limit its mobility? Actually, we might as well aim for its neck if we are going to try to damage anything... @PoptartProdigy is it a long serpentine neck or short and thick like a lizard's?
Alternatively, we could experiment and use USS as a GO, which puts us at 2,25 PL, 2,36 concentrated and 2,83 billon for Kikoho on top of that.
I might want to check if it can absorb ki or not before that.
If not that, I think we should limit its mobility? Actually, we might as well aim for its neck if we are going to try to damage anything... @PoptartProdigy is it a long serpentine neck or short and thick like a lizard's?