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Dragon Ball: After the End

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[X][STUDY] Say that you've had an idea, and go through the motions of, "figuring out," the trick with your brother. Then the two of you can work on mastering it together. Hey, free practice time in the real world.

This will blow up on our faces as soon as Jaffur finds out. He is rather protective of his trick. However, we need all practice we can get and we can justify it as it being a reason that does not have to do with Jaffur for us knowing the trick in time for the Dragon.

[X][ASK] Are saiyans taxed by the clans? How much income does our house get from that?
[X][ASK] Are there cadet branches of House Goku or do the siblings of the Lords marry into other houses?
[X][ASK] What happened to our other grandparents?
[X][ASK] What are the other super saiyans working on to fight the dragon?
[X][ASK] Did dad actually agree on something with the council of nations? What about the countries that are not members?
[X][ASK] Does it seem like the war will go live again anytime soon?
 
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Simon_Jester said:
Well it adds an extra layer of explanation as to why there's no reliable awareness of when and where the Garenhulders are doing nuclear tests, that's all.

Assuming they are doing them, and honestly... even if they weren't so weird about everything remotely related to scientific experimentation, you'd have to be very, VERY confident in your bomb designs to build a whole arsenal of nuclear weapons without ever live testing even one of them. There are a lot of ways for a nuclear device to fail or malfunction and 'fizzle,' and relatively few ways for it to go right. Knowing you've got the design right given all the specific details involved, and that the resulting devices will function reliably, is tough.

Then again, whoever's behind the design may actually be that confident.
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In this case, there being seismographs is not the operative factor behind the Exiles detecting or not detecting Garenhulders' nuclear tests. But I am increasingly inclined to agree with you on the Exiles not introducing them.
Carrnage said:
Say, could Jaffur's technique be used with the spirit bomb?
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*shrug*
Carrnage said:
Wait we can ask Sensei questions?
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I answer your questions as the people who would know the answer best.
 
Let's not spam toooo many questions?

PoptartProdigy said:
In this case, there being seismographs is not the operative factor behind the Exiles detecting or not detecting Garenhulders' nuclear tests. But I am increasingly inclined to agree with you on the Exiles not introducing them.
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Absence of seismographs would prevent the Garenhulders from detecting each others' underground nuclear tests, which would reduce the Exiles' opportunity to learn about it through their avenues of intelligence to the Garenhulders.

I agree that the Exiles probably wouldn't even operate a seismograph network and so wouldn't have that option for picking up nuclear tests. What do they care where an earthquake happens, they can dig their way out from under the rubble of a building as easily as you could toss aside a pile of pillows.
 
[X][ASK] How come Grenhulders aren't freaking out about new previously unknown and untested weapons? If the Exiles didn't know about the nuclear weapons there is no way the normal populace of Aramaia knew either so where is the calling for blood and heads of the politicians?
 
Simon_Jester said:
Let's not spam toooo many questions?

Absence of seismographs would prevent the Garenhulders from detecting each others' underground nuclear tests, which would reduce the Exiles' opportunity to learn about it through their avenues of intelligence to the Garenhulders.

I agree that the Exiles probably wouldn't even operate a seismograph network and so wouldn't have that option for picking up nuclear tests. What do they care where an earthquake happens, they can dig their way out from under the rubble of a building as easily as you could toss aside a pile of pillows.
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I'm not communicating clearly enough. Seismographs in general, even if they were there, would not have detected nuclear tests no matter who had them.
Quest said:
@PoptartProdigy out of curiosity, what are the in-story reactions to us trying to re-create the spirit bomb?
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Not publicized at the moment.
 
faflec said:
WHY

WHY WOULD THEY ASK THIS
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Because the thought occurred, it fits with Oddball and the people I ran it by egged me on.
Simon_Jester said:
Let's not spam toooo many questions?

Absence of seismographs would prevent the Garenhulders from detecting each others' underground nuclear tests, which would reduce the Exiles' opportunity to learn about it through their avenues of intelligence to the Garenhulders.

I agree that the Exiles probably wouldn't even operate a seismograph network and so wouldn't have that option for picking up nuclear tests. What do they care where an earthquake happens, they can dig their way out from under the rubble of a building as easily as you could toss aside a pile of pillows.
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Well, they might just to keep track of who is doing what, especially since nukes are now a thing, though I imagine they had them set up before so they could catch naughty young Saiyans digging down into the ground.
 
[X][STUDY] Say that you've had an idea, and go through the motions of, "figuring out," the trick with your brother. Then the two of you can work on mastering it together. Hey, free practice time in the real world.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
I'm not communicating clearly enough. Seismographs in general, even if they were there, would not have detected nuclear tests no matter who had them.
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I figured, I just wanted to point out that for all we know IC, someone could have detonated an underground nuke, and the Exiles might have felt the ground twitch, but probably wouldn't have been able to precisely identify what happened.

Though again, if the nukes actually work with no or very very few tests, whoever designed them was really good at that specific thing, and it's a pretty specialized thing. Just saiyan.

Gore17 said:
Well, they might just to keep track of who is doing what, especially since nukes are now a thing, though I imagine they had them set up before so they could catch naughty young Saiyans digging down into the ground.
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That's what ki sense and super-hearing are for.

PoptartProdigy said:
Grim.
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Probably a mix of "well, if anyone can pull it off it's her" and "you have got to be shitting me."
 
[X][STUDY] Say that you've had an idea, and go through the motions of, "figuring out," the trick with your brother. Then the two of you can work on mastering it together. Hey, free practice time in the real world.
 
So how do power levels work here? Like if KI is energy. Is Power level its derivative with respect to time i.e., power? Because that's what that hose and tank analogy seems to be saying. And if so, how much KI does someone one have? Can you increase your total amount of ki even if your power level is at the cap? Does Berra say have more KI than Kakara, or the same amount?
 
Cadis said:
So how do power levels work here? Like if KI is energy? Is Powerlevel its derivative? Because that's what that hose and tank analogy seems to be saying. And if so, how much KI does someone one have? Can you increase your total amount of ki even if your powerlevel is at the cap? Does Berra say have more KI than Kakara, or the same amount?
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Power level is how much power you can bring to bear at any given time. Somebody's max lift, for non-exhaustive example. Individuals vary in how long they can sustain their maximum exertion, however, and that is the tank in the analogy. It varies from person to person. Berra would have more of this than Kakara, although there's a soft limit to how much endurance training one can perform at maximum exertion.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Power level is how much power you can bring to bear at any given time. Somebody's max lift, for non-exhaustive example. Individuals vary in how long they can sustain their maximum exertion, however, and that is the tank in the analogy. It varies from person to person. Berra would have more of this than Kakara, although there's a soft limit to how much endurance training one can perform at maximum exertion.
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Okay, sorta what I thought.
 
So, a thought: Have we considered using Jaffur's fighting style as a way of solidifying his position when he comes back?

I was considering something to the effect of him sharing it with both royal families (but no further, and to be taught to others sparingly at best) as a show of good faith. We could explain this idea to him as part of convincing him to allow us to train with Mato.
 
[X][ASK] Are saiyans taxed by the clans? How much income does our house get from that?
[X][ASK] Are there cadet branches of House Goku or do the siblings of the Lords marry into other houses?
[X][ASK] What happened to our other grandparents?
[X][ASK] What are the other super saiyans working on to fight the dragon?
[X][ASK] Did dad actually agree on something with the council of nations? What about the countries that are not members?
[X][ASK] Does it seem like the war will go live again anytime soon?
 
So, with the hose and tank analogy, Kaio-ken would be replacing the hose and nozzle with a bigger one. So, there's one effect that doesn't yet have a technique: increasing the size of the tank.
 
Gore17 said:
So, with the hose and tank analogy, Kaio-ken would be replacing the hose and nozzle with a bigger one. So, there's one effect that doesn't yet have a technique: increasing the size of the tank.
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I don't think there actually is a way to expand the tank beyond training but you can most likely refill the tank mid battle by learning to siphon KI/Stamina from either your opponent or your surroundings. Or alternatively creating some sort of technique that improves regeneration rates.
 
Sir LagsAlot said:
I don't think there actually is a way to expand the tank beyond training but you can most likely refill the tank mid battle by learning to siphon KI/Stamina from either your opponent or your surroundings. Or alternatively creating some sort of technique that improves regeneration rates.
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I'm thinking of a technique that creates a second tank(metaphorically and maybe literally), into which the first continually but slowly fills up.
 
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