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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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ExploerTM said:
At start of canon Taylor's outright suicidal tendencies often look like determination (which is kinda ironic). Attacking Lung is prime example of this. However, I want to disagree that she didnt have any determination prior to Plan Reveal. Its just was mixed with her absurdly reckless attitude. By the time Levi hits BB its like determination/suicide 50/50 and in S9 and onward she drops whole suicide thing.
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I just want to say that, if i remember correctly, WoG said that Taylor wasn't suicidal, but i could be wrong.
 
rafuki22 said:
I just want to say that, if i remember correctly, WoG said that Taylor wasn't suicidal, but i could be wrong.
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Here's the WoG your talking about
Wildbow:

People keep saying suicide, but that isn't quite it.

Taylor likely would have stopped going to school. She was already on that road.
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lordgreyiiMaster:
Well, I feel silly. Did I misunderstand Tattletale's motivation for helping Taylor then? I guess it wasn't a sure thing. Lisa can be wrong, after all...

Wildbow:
She saw that Taylor was in the same state, but not necessarily that Taylor was suicidal. Just that Taylor was trapped.
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Altyre said:
No, I mean, I GET it. The actions make sense in context. I just didn't like her. She didn't draw me in as a reader or get me on her side.

When describing my feelings on Worm I often say it felt like Wildbow was standing over my shoulder going "Do you get it? Do you see how delightfully ironic it all is?"
While I was sitting there thinking "I mean, yes, but I don't like any of these people."

It's interesting that I find the fanon versions so fun to read when the Canon versions all just left me frustrated.
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I remember this one time someone said "by the time Leviathan hits (chapter/volume 7) it's when it really start going" in a forum, and I get it, in a way what can be called part 1 (v 1-6) is
more or less the introduction and set up for the world and BB's situation at large, but as a certain critic once said: "You can put you hand on a stove for 12 hours and you will stop feeling the pain, but at that point you will do irreparable damage to yourself".

I for one actually like Worm, even if it does drag on and on in some parts, and Wilder Boar tragedy fetish detracts the enjoyment some.

Crake said:
That whole "Wildbow standing over your shoulder" thing is another aspect of the series I just plain don't like. As an author, he's kind of obnoxious in the picture he paints. It feels like the entire endeavor is a tad masturbatory, I mean one dark story with a arc thrust like Worm was quite enough. You did your thing, and you could have even edited that monster into something semi-coherent if publication was your end goal. But it'll never be officially publicized or edited because it isn't internally consistent with itself and the amount of work it would take to make it so isn't worth it, even assuming sunk-cost fallacy, Ward dismissed many things "established" in Worm and brings more into question.

I think most people who read Worm Fanfic don't really enjoy Worm itself. Or rather--I'll give this much, most who seem to say they prefer Worm fanfic will also say they don't really enjoy Worm itself.
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And then you learn that Wark Ball then wrote 2 more self-flagelating stories (which IIRC are almost as long as Worm) to continue to get off :V

Hell, the first few chapters of Pact makes me think that he decided to skip right to the puppy meat grinder phase for extra suffering....
 
Altyre said:
No, I mean, I GET it. The actions make sense in context. I just didn't like her. She didn't draw me in as a reader or get me on her side.
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Yeah, Worm was one of those works where I was interested by the setting, concepts, and a number of the characters as I was reading. I just had no interest in the main character that we were seeing it all through.

Crake said:
Another thing about this series, once you have enough time to digest your read-through (or your read-through up until the Chicago timeskip, your 'blink blink wait WHAT, he skipped that?!' then your 'no he really did skip all of that, what the actual fuck' and then Taylor's prompt "WELP that two years meant nothing, I really did like being bad more" and your prompt "you never stopped being bad, my dude" and skimming of the last third of the story, it's really tough to reread or read the sequel when you can't sympathize with any of the people on the screen anymore.
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The timeskip covers the majority of her career, but it basically has less weight as a whole than any individual interaction she had before hand. People she's been working with for years are basically strangers while villains she knew for a fraction of the time are everything to her. I'm not saying that the start of her career should have had no impact, but the whole rest of it should have been more than a piece of trivia about Undersider Skitter.
 
It kinda says something about Taylor that she remember the 3-ish months with the Undies being in almost constant enemy fire with little to no rest and almost died more than a handful of times closer to her heart than the 2-ish years she was part of the Wards with a lot less danger and a healthier enviroment (if surrounded by people that don't really like her very much).
 
Mesaphrom said:
It kinda says something about Taylor that she remember the 3-ish months with the Undies being in almost constant enemy fire with little to no rest and almost died more than a handful of times closer to her heart than the 2-ish years she was part of the Wards with a lot less danger and a healthier enviroment (if surrounded by people that don't really like her very much).
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Or it says more about the auther and readers that they assume time skips are largely irrelevant. I don't care who you are, 3 years as a teen makes a huge difference even just at the hormonal level. I see the relative lack of non dramatic character development as one of worms biggest flaws.
 
retric said:
Or it says more about the auther and readers that they assume time skips are largely irrelevant. I don't care who you are, 3 years as a teen makes a huge difference even just at the hormonal level. I see the relative lack of non dramatic character development as one of worms biggest flaws.
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You do have to account for Shard mind-whamming, though yeah I totally understand your point three years vs thee months should of established a bond between her and her team mates.
 
Quick question but when does LordRoust usually update? I know it's on Wednesdays but is there any specific time of day?

Also I agree that Worm is a bit grim dark heavy but I honestly think that's part of the charm for it regarding things like FanFiction which I honestly prefer over the actual story. It's actually sort of like DxD though not to that extent where the stories make more interesting sandboxes than stories.
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Martian_Tech said:
Quick question but when does LordRoust usually update? I know it's on Wednesdays but is there any specific time of day?
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Usually, 12 am - 1 am EST. He might drop it earlier depending on several factors, the fact that there was a delay last week being a possibility for an early chapter, but the usual time is still 12 am - 1 am.
 
Narsauce said:
Usually, 12 am - 1 am EST. He might drop it earlier depending on several factors, the fact that there was a delay last week being a possibility for an early chapter, but the usual time is still 12 am - 1 am.
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Normally I'd stay up for that, but I'm too tired, so I'll go to sleep and read it in the morning. I hope he gets Equivalent Exchange in the next chapter! (I love Minecraft, and whenever I played Tekkit back in the day, I only really used EE because the more sciency mods were too confusing to middle school me. Still are, because I don't want to watch three hours of how-to videos to learn how to do stuff with them when I already learned about EE from watching Rythian from the Yogscast [Teep is best Dinosaur Archer!]).
 
You go back to recheck one scene before the next part comes, and then you find you've reread an entire chapter without noticing. This story is too god.
 
Mesaphrom said:
It kinda says something about Taylor that she remember the 3-ish months with the Undies being in almost constant enemy fire with little to no rest and almost died more than a handful of times closer to her heart than the 2-ish years she was part of the Wards with a lot less danger and a healthier enviroment (if surrounded by people that don't really like her very much).
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I mean, extreme experiences drive people closer very fast. People of shared trauma often bond easier with each other because they understand each other. Outside the job to capture Topsy in Chicago, we really don't see a lot of Taylor's time in the Chicago Wards. And, to be blunt, there's a good chance that outside of the few times she was able to work the system (like she did with the Topsy job), Taylor and the Chicago Wards weren't deployed to big threats. And even if the rest of the Wards were, Taylor was still on probation, and likely far more strict than any other due to her infamy at that point.

In fact, out of the... 3(?) distinct missions we see her on as a Ward/Probationary Ward (New York with the Adepts, Vegas with Rime and that team, and Chicago with Topsy) nothing even comes close to her first week or so in Brockton's cape scene. Edit: I mean, hell. Her internal monologue regarding the other wards/capes in NY and Vegas actually made me laugh. I think there's a line where one of the Wards in Vegas mentions that he's only been in a small number of fights and he's been a Ward for months (or something like that) and Taylor is immediately jealous. Found the lines

Drone 23.2 said:
"Sorry. I mean, Prefab was talking about opponents we couldn't hope to fight, and I've only had two real fights so far. One of them wasn't even a real fight."

"You're new?" I asked, raising my eyebrows.

"I've only been a Ward for a month."

Only two fights in a month. I felt a pang of envy.
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As for being around people who didn't really like her very much, I can't really comment. I know during the Echidna fight, they didn't trust her or the other Undersiders - with good cause mind you. However, by the time she's in Chicago, Tecton has basically requested her for his team, and they worked well together against Behemoth. It's been forever since I read the chapters after the timeskip, but I don't recall the feeling that the Chicago Wards didn't like her. It's more that she never really felt the need to bond with them the way she did with the Undersiders because she had kinda started focusing on the End of the World thing to the exclusion of pretty much anything else. My memory could be wrong, but she actually was closer with Theo than anyone else because he knew about Jack's threat, and was already training to fight him (even if she never did pick up on the fact that he was into her.)
retric said:
Or it says more about the auther and readers that they assume time skips are largely irrelevant. I don't care who you are, 3 years as a teen makes a huge difference even just at the hormonal level. I see the relative lack of non dramatic character development as one of worms biggest flaws.
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I've always been torn about the timeskip. I mean, I understand why it was done, but I think I agree at least partially with what you're saying. Even if there had been interludes/flashes for the months between Khonsu showing up and the timeskip's ending, showing Taylor doing other things, or interacting with others, it would have felt a lot easier to swallow. But I do recall when reading it that the timeskip felt like a sudden hammer to the face and prompted a "Huh, so that happened." sort of reaction.
 
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sonicyoash said:
Normally I'd stay up for that, but I'm too tired, so I'll go to sleep and read it in the morning.
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Completely understand that impulse. Currently on the West Coast for vacation (my first one in 2 years, thank you Jeebus) which makes staying up for chapter release much easier in comparison to my standard East Coast living. Really hoping he gets that last fashion perk to wrap up that constellation and bring in the Personal Reality one. Happy waiting, one and all!!
 
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