Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

[kildar]

......was I the only person that read that mess differently?


To a more 'on topic topic' has anyone else had their understanding of canon technology rewritten by this fic?
I used to think that WH40K tech was a LOT weaker than it is portrayed in this, so I've been enjoying the new view point.
I've had a few other similar realizations and thought I'd ask now that I'm commenting in the thread again.

 

[Sterlyn]

......was I the only person that read that mess differently?


To a more 'on topic topic' has anyone else had their understanding of canon technology rewritten by this fic?
I used to think that WH40K tech was a LOT weaker than it is portrayed in this, so I've been enjoying the new view point.
I've had a few other similar realizations and thought I'd ask now that I'm commenting in the thread again.

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From what I've heard 40k fans talk about, 40K seems to be fairly strong. As is the common baseline, the standard lasrifle can shoot large holes in concrete and blast limbs off yada yada no recoil yada recharges in sunlight, fire, pretty much anything. And yet it's considered a 'flashlight' to seemingly everyone so yeah, this is just stock standard. Although now that I think about it, I wonder how good Joe's las-rifle he gave Chen(Man we really need his real name) is, I'd assume it went from las-rifle to las-cannon.

 

[The Shallow]

To a more 'on topic topic' has anyone else had their understanding of canon technology rewritten by this fic?
I used to think that WH40K tech was a LOT weaker than it is portrayed in this, so I've been enjoying the new view point.
I've had a few other similar realizations and thought I'd ask now that I'm commenting in the thread again.

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From what I've heard 40k fans talk about, 40K seems to be fairly strong. As is the common baseline, the standard lasrifle can shoot large holes in concrete and blast limbs off yada yada no recoil yada recharges in sunlight, fire, pretty much anything. And yet it's considered a 'flashlight' to seemingly everyone so yeah, this is just stock standard.

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I think many settings will make Power-levels a bit harder to recognize because everyone is roughly at that power-level. 40K basically never follows the average person, usually focussing on Bio-engineered supersoliders in super-power-armor fighting biomagical abominations, superscience pariahs, ancient magical powerhouses, or other insane threats. Like, isn't it a thing that Orcs can make vehicles move faster just by painting them red?

But yeah, when compared as things are in BCF, you can notice how strong things actually are, even against Capes. I mean, Wire Alchemy is insane in Fate, and while Joe has magical materials and Unnatural Skill, I never realized just how insane it could get.

I mean imagine the results of Joe using monomelcular Celestial Bone Bronze wires on the battlefield... One of the Knight-Sabers in BGC has Monomolecular ribbons, so precedent exists for that.

And yeah, BGC really glosses over how fucking broken Knight-sabers Hardsuits are when compared to the other Hardsuits in BGC, ie Mason's K-12. Fusion-Boomers are obviously broken, but seeing that tech folded into Matrix really makes it apparent how crazy they can be, when that Nanotech is pushed to the fucking limits. Also yeah, any chance that the latest gen of Matrix's bots will be equipped with Alchemical Codes to boost their production capabilities? It could work...

Also yeah, the space thing from PJO... Joe could make a Car that is actually a giant limo-esque meeting room on the inside. Easily. Or store massive guns in his pockets.

Imagine the results of Joe making an Automoton?

Although now that I think about it, I wonder how good Joe's las-rifle he gave Chen(Man we really need his real name) is, I'd assume it went from las-rifle to las-cannon.

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AFAIK Chen is his real name, just not the whole thing.

 

[retric]

40k technology is strong in comparison to modern technology but generally weak by sci-fi standards. The primary issue is they need to somehow keep infantry relevant so they can't do stuff like beam enemies into space from orbit.

So decent guns and armor, but soldiers still need to aim at the enemy and pull the trigger. Lots of infrastructure, plenty of soldiers, super soldiers, etc. But never scaled to Bolo levels of unshielded people vaguely near the battlefield get vaporized in any and all engagements.

 

[Inbetweenaction]

......was I the only person that read that mess differently?


To a more 'on topic topic' has anyone else had their understanding of canon technology rewritten by this fic?
I used to think that WH40K tech was a LOT weaker than it is portrayed in this, so I've been enjoying the new view point.
I've had a few other similar realizations and thought I'd ask now that I'm commenting in the thread again.

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The "Imperial flashlight" that is the las rifle is said to be able to damage anything. not by alot, seeing how they are literally fighting warmachines designed and possessed by demons of war (among other things) but they are capable of damaging it. Not by a lot, a few dussin shots in the same place might put a dent in it, but IT CAN DAMAGE THE DEMON TANK.

and it's essentially the weakest weapon, a "flashlight" in comparison to what they are facing.

now, the power of the weapons isn't the most remarcable thing about it, it's it's sturdines. this is a weapon that is expected to be treated as rughly as an ak47, and keep going for 10k years. where you sometime recharge it by tossing it in a fire, and then beat a mutant to death with it.

so yeah, while 40k has damage potential, it's the reliability of it's weapons that is the main draw.

 

[bigreader]

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Both the use of slurs in this post and the implication that respecting someone's gender identity is contingent on good behavior on their part violates Rule 2: Don't Be Hateful. The word "trap" in this context is a slur and has not been acceptable on Sufficient Velocity for years, and rhetoric regarding respect for someone's gender identity being contingent on them not doing bad things is also not acceptable. Yes, even if that person is fictional, and yes, even if that person is a mass murderer, the idea being put forward is harmful and not something we tolerate on Sufficient Velocity. As such, @Koraan has been infracted for 25 points and received the standard three day threadban.

Everyone else, carry on.
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I don't think you read this post cuz that's not what he seems to be saying.

 

[retric]

now, the power of the weapons isn't the most remarcable thing about it, it's it's sturdines. this is a weapon that is expected to be treated as rughly as an ak47, and keep going for 10k years. where you sometime recharge it by tossing it in a fire, and then beat a mutant to death with it.

so yeah, while 40k has damage potential, it's the reliability of it's weapons that is the main draw.

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Ehh, handguns sure, but the Adeptus Mechanicus have a lot of work to do keeping any tank or above working. Some of that is the warp, but the lore is mostly about the aesthetic over the practical taken to 11.

However, Joe gets to skip all the downsides like build time so for him 40k technology is comparatively quite good.

 

[Dezron]

I used to think that WH40K tech was a LOT weaker than it is portrayed in this, so I've been enjoying the new view point.
I've had a few other similar realizations and thought I'd ask now that I'm commenting in the thread again.

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40k tech (especially Imperial one) is all over the place in terms of scale/power, so it's not uncommoon to think that 40k is weak.

Also what Joe now has is only tech found on Necromunda Hive-World, just wait till he gets The Pleician Tome or Arch-Magos knowledge.

 

[Slayer 10321]

40k tech (especially Imperial one) is all over the place in terms of scale/power, so it's not uncommoon to think that 40k is weak.

Also what Joe now has is only tech found on Necromunda Hive-World, just wait till he gets The Pleician Tome or Arch-Magos knowledge.

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Considering recent lore about House Van-Zarr(?), Joe potentially has access to some of the good shit that the House has been selling under the guise of it being archeotech relics (instead of being freshly made from their genuine STC). Mirror Shields and other Dark Age bullshit are nearly in Apeirons grasp.

 

[readerdreamer]

Ehh, handguns sure, but the Adeptus Mechanicus have a lot of work to do keeping any tank or above working. Some of that is the warp, but the lore is mostly about the aesthetic over the practical taken to 11.

However, Joe gets to skip all the downsides like build time so for him 40k technology is comparatively quite good.

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To be fair, Joe doesn't just skip build time downsides. He also skips the "practicality vs aesthetics" exchange by starting off with weapons that both work and look amazing, and then building off of that. It's like being able to hand in a character card with no limits on points you could give to stats to your Dungeon Master.

DM: "Your weapons can't be both the strongest and the most beautiful!"
Joe: "Well, try me!"

 

[aleksds1]

Eh, it's cool. 10k+ chapters is already absurd by the standards of this site. The only fanfic that has comparable update lengths or higher is this bites and that only updates every few months or so.

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And what about Third Fang? Though he is not publish his works here. His updates easily reach 25-30k words. He usually tries to make update once a one-two month and has several fics to work with.

 

[Dezron]

House Van-Zarr(?)

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Van Saar.

Joe potentially has access to some of the good shit that the House has been selling under the guise of it being archeotech relics (instead of being freshly made from their genuine STC). Mirror Shields and other Dark Age bullshit are nearly in Apeirons grasp.

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True and Van Saar tech would be pretty useful against radiations caused by Behemoth, since they are constantly bathed in radiation created by their STC.

 

[Transreal Cloud]

Considering recent lore about House Van-Zarr(?), Joe potentially has access to some of the good shit that the House has been selling under the guise of it being archeotech relics (instead of being freshly made from their genuine STC). Mirror Shields and other Dark Age bullshit are nearly in Apeirons grasp.

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If it's recent then Lord may not have known about it when he started using Necromunda perks. If so it's unlikely to be in this story.

 

[randomcringyjoke]

Oh god another Staff post is incoming

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Called it

 

[Execute/Dumbo]

True and Van Saar tech would be pretty useful against radiations caused by Behemoth, since they are constantly bathed in radiation created by their STC.

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Why'd he need that? He by default is as durable in every way as the best armour he has on him, and can do the same for others via magic.

Is it worth the ban? Yes

This guys right. Not once did he say that respecting gender identity is contingent on a persons actions. What he said was basically that you should not allow yourself to be blinded by WHAT a person is and instead look at their ACTIONS. In this case genocide.

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Everyone realises that that post was in response to somebody asking them to not misgender somebody, right? And that they refused to because of Mord Nag's actions?being blinded to their actions literally never came into the matter. They tried to make it out like people were asking them to give Mord Nag a break because they were a woman, and not because they were misgendering them and continued doing so despite people asking them not to because that exact rhetoric has been used for years against trans people.

Edit: They also used a slur, several times, when it's been made pretty goddamn clear that it's considered one on this site.

 

[PunchingTucan]

Is it worth the ban? Yes

This guys right. Not once did he say that respecting gender identity is contingent on a persons actions. What he said was basically that you should not allow yourself to be blinded by WHAT a person is and instead look at their ACTIONS. In this case genocide.

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Mods are overly sensitive babies, in other news the sky is blue and the ocean wet.
It's their job to be extra super sure that everyone feels welcome. Even if they come across as mega babies that see a single thing they think, maybe, people don't like, and start crying about it.
Thats just how being a mod is.

 

[Dezron]

Why'd he need that? He by default is as durable in every way as the best armour he has on him, and can do the same for others via magic.

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He might not need it, but better to have an option and not use it hen don't have and need it.

 

[Execute/Dumbo]

He might not need it, but better to have an option and not use it hen don't have and need it.

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What do you mean not need, he already has that option, it's called his default armour set. It's saying 'oh it'd be useful to have that +100 radiation resistance' while your character's basic armour is +infinity against radiation, because it is be default resistant and in practice basically invulnerable to everything down to the atomic level.

 

[Oseanman]

Yall just baiting the mods now huh? IS2G if this get's the thread locked

 

[The Shallow]

This guys right. Not once did he say that respecting gender identity is contingent on a persons actions. What he said was basically that you should not allow yourself to be blinded by WHAT a person is and instead look at their ACTIONS. In this case genocide.

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Maybe if you remove things from context? Lemme put it in context for you:
Koraan incorrectly referred to Moord Nag as a he. Someone offered a simple correction, and they said "meh don't care, Moord Nag is evil."
MagicalAmbitions said that respecting someones gender, and by extension their general personhood, was not something that had to be "earned"
Koraan responded that they didn't think that someone's identity mattered if they were evil, essentially. Also just casually dropped a slur.

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Everyone realises that that post was in response to somebody asking them to not misgender somebody, right? And that they refused to because of Mord Nag's actions?being blinded to their actions literally never came into the matter. They tried to make it out like people were asking them to give Mord Nag a break because they were a woman, and not because they were misgendering them and continued doing so despite people asking them not to because that exact rhetoric has been used for years against trans people.

Edit: They also used a slur, several times, when it's been made pretty goddamn clear that it's considered one on this site.

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This.

Mods are overly sensitive babies, in other news the sky is blue and the ocean wet.
It's their job to be extra super sure that everyone feels welcome. Even if they come across as mega babies that see a single thing they think, maybe, people don't like, and start crying about it.
Thats just how being a mod is.

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Wow. How dare those wokeist mods want to make sure people feel welcome and comfortable, stopping people from dropping slurs. Seriously speaking though, I think this is actually the silliest post I've ever seen. Should we just remove all the rules and let slurs and harassment fly through the platform? You do realize that's what you're advocating for, right? I'm honestly amused.

Back to more fruitful things;

He might not need it, but better to have an option and not use it hen don't have and need it.

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What do you mean not need, he already has that option, it's called his default armour set. It's saying 'oh it'd be useful to have that +100 radiation resistance' while your character's basic armour is +infinity against radiation, because it is be default resistant and in practice basically invulnerable to everything down to the atomic level.

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I think what Dezron meant is that it's better for Joe to have Mirror Sheild tech, but not actually build it or need it, than to not have it at all. After all it could be hybridized with other force-feilds, reverse-engineered, etc.

 

[Execute/Dumbo]

I think what Dezron meant is that it's better for Joe to have Mirror Sheild tech, but not actually build it or need it, than to not have it at all. After all it could be hybridized with other force-feilds, reverse-engineered, etc.

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I… suppose? His new armour material is just so hilariously overpowered in every way, coupled with magic and various fiat buffs, that by now pretty much every new piece of tech related to protection is an academic curiosity. Scion's Stilling functions at the atomic level, y'know? The reason it's so effective is because it can be tuned to bypass exotic effects, and it's questionable if that's entirely possible with the insane library of bullshit the MC has already.

 

[The Shallow]

I… suppose? His new armour material is just so hilariously overpowered in every way that by now pretty much every new piece of tech related to protection is an academic curiosity. Scion's Stilling functions at the atomic level, y'know? The reason it's so effective is because it can be tuned to bypass exotic effects, and it's questionable if that's entirely possible with the insane library of bullshit the MC has already.

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Lathe Metal is insanely broken, and I don't think Scion could easily get through it, let alone Divine Named Lathe Metal, ignoring any other boosts, but Knowledge is Power, especially so with the forge. Having access to nigh-archeotech, let alone the real deal, would have it's uses, no matter what.

 

[PunchingTucan]

Wow. How dare those wokeist mods want to make sure people feel welcome and comfortable, stopping people from dropping slurs. Seriously speaking though, I think this is actually the silliest post I've ever seen. Should we just remove all the rules and let slurs and harassment fly through the platform? You do realize that's what you're advocating for, right? I'm honestly amused.

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Nah, you misunderstand. I'm not saying there should be no mods.
I'm saying mods by necessity will come off as oversensitive busybodies. Thats just something that mostly comes with the role. Since many people are used to or have been used to or even glorify the internet wild west days, any infraction on how they speak are seen in a negative light.
that includes me, I can respect and understand the rules and the need to enforce them. But every time i see it enforced for something I personally see as a none issue I get annoyed.
But what might be a none issue for me is not for others, and to moderate yourself for the sake of others is the basis for polite society.
Plus fx. in this case I didn't read the full context and instead just went on the mod post and the post it responded too. making me ill-informed.
Good thing I'm not a mod then.

 

[The Shallow]

Nah, you misundertand. I'm not saying there should be no mods.
I'm saying mods by neccesity will come off as oversensitive busybodies. Thats just something that mostly comes with the role. Since many people are used to or have been used to or even glorify the internet wild west days, any infraction on how they speak are seen in a negative light.
that includes me, I can respect and understand the rules and the need to enforce them. But every time i see it enforced for something I personally see as a none issue I get annoyed.
But what might be a none issue for me is not for others, and to moderate yourself for the sake of others is the basis for polite society.
Plus fx. in this case I didn't read the full context and instead just went on the mod post and the post it responded too. making me ill-informed.
Good thing I'm not a mod then.

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That's not how your initial post came off. I appreciate the clarification.

 

[Oseanman]

So anyways...wat yall speculation on the big roll? I'm praying for efficiency but i can see it being the titan decendance one