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I imagine Joe will have to put some effort into not killing her with his bare hands.
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Ehh, I wonder if he will... he got that life-giving fist martial arts from Histories Strongest Disciple that kinda altered his brain, there was a little thing about him being happy that some of the mindbending non-sense is actually nice instead of 40k existential dread.
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I'm sorry what? I'm actually having trouble discerning what on earth you're saying
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Didn't quite mess with his mind, it rather just taught him a philosophy so well that he can tell when or when he's not following it.
When he later feels bad, is because he was following Katsujinken, and could tell he had failed to follow it.Chapter 41 Drag Out said:
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Yup, thats why i'm pretty sure its malice and not paranoia. They have a habit of forming an opinion and trying their best to twist the story so it fits, first he was a preteen girl, no hes a shaker! now he is a master! ohh? our hamfisted handling of the mess blew up new wave? He must also be a thinker and planned it!
The world laughs at the Brocten Bay PRT and their still holding out for an I told you so to pretend their conclusions were valid earlier despite the lack of supporting data at the time.
Shallow explained it well and quoted the relevant paragraphs.
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I think Vodkasheep meant that the PRT is acting as if Apeiron was a Simurgh level plotter, not that the actual Simurgh was involved. (Although it wouldn't surprise me if she has nudged a couple of dominoes to draw out more information)
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in order to fix a case 53 you have to essentially give the shard a better way to express themselves via a host, and since eden shards are dead you also have to figure out how to make them use the better method.
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I, what?
At first they thought Khepri was a tinker, because she was the most likely candidate. Then the tinker showed up and healed Amy Dallon with an unknown effect, had a short convo, then bamphed out. They then did an M/S screening because unknown effect, and Amy hit all the stops. So yeah, they assumed he had mastered her. There was also a lazy (or a coilbomb, maybe both?) who pretended to get mastered by the Rose Apeiron gave Amy.
There were other master concerns, namely Chen, before they learned the explanations. It's starting to become malicious maybe, but it was mostly paranoia and incompetence.
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Close, but more the fact that they use his 'thinker abilities' like a five year old blames the dog for every mess, just less believable.
You forgot the period where he was a shaker and didn't explain how they went with the conclusion that he pulled thinker shenanigans that would do the Simurgh proud undermining both new wave and the PRT doing everything from turning the population against them to curdled the milk in the PRT break room with his nefarious intellect while simultaneously screwing himself to the wall by making his plots obvious and not only not using the data they know he has to cut them off at the knees but actively aiding them and preventing bad pr like with weld.
It wasn't the paper thin 'master' shenanigans that he both explained in his transcript with amy and brought into the open by pointing her at the prt or the little flower he gifted pan that they found didn't have an effect that they confiscated and promply lost that made them cut off all contact. the m/s containment was by their own admission in the story both perfunctory and I'll advised in an emergency or any situation that would require dynamic action. They cut off contact because of the frankly ludicrous thinker accusations.
Furthermore every regional PRT seems to have come to the conclusion that the BB PRT is full of shit going so far as sending weld and that sting girl to try and grab him. The BB PRT is set against him for one reason, that is because they have a desperate vested interest in recovering their reputation by proving that they were right all along.
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Lord said that they are leaving things in Coil's hands since he says he has shit under control and he is their agent.
I think what was meant by that is how they treated everything that interacts with him as if it were mastered. Which is similar to how shìt is treated in relation to Ziz.
And don't forget the teleportation and thinker power.
That would have been funny (sad, but funny) and would scar her for the rest of her life. Even though her sister would be able to heal it.
I expect the treatment and difficulty would vary for each individual. Notably Battery and Triumph are also Cauldron capes but don't seem to have their shard enforcing their form*. If for example a surgeon did plastic surgery the shard wouldn't revert them.
From Gully's description it seems that her change was a one time deal and there's no continuing action so it might actually be a really easy fix for Apeiron with no side-effects. I expect that other capes like Garrote and Noelle with ongoing shard effects would be substantially more difficult.
*Note that cauldron vials often cause an initial transformation (usually just healing injuries and illnesses), a frequently useful effect. It's used to tempt many capes into joining Cauldron or accepting the risk of mutation in exchange for the possibility of good health.
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Ok the shaker theory is due to the fact that the material of the knives disappeared, which made Armsmaster think they were projections; thus a shaker.
As for the thinker shenanigans, you are exaggerating a bit, but yeah they attributed a lot of orchestration of events to him. It is important to note that a lot of things WERE being orchestrated by March and Coil, but nobody could figure out who it was. Add that with their response, which they viewed as necessary, resulted in public backlash, and so it all fell onto Apeiron messing with them. There was likely some level of malice involved, and they certainly have an interest in making sure they win the PR war, but a lot of it was busy analysts and paranoid 'logic'.
Panacea was also M/S screened before the crisis began, but yeah the containment went on too long. As for what he said about Vicky:
And here's what they knew about his thinker power:Interlude 8.1 Amy said:
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But yeah, they didn't take that seriously.Interlude 8.1 Amy said:
I agree there is certainly malice, especially from Piggot, but I feel you overstate that. It isn't all malice, and mostly just a lot of stressed analysts used to super-manipulators running on confirmation bias and paranoia.
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Ya I agree. The likely issue is that due to their non standard physiology a lot more than cosmetic change needs to be done. Since their internal anatomy is also changed.
It might even be hard to heal some of them if they are injured due to their new biology.
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Actually the shaker theory started when Armsmaster examined the knifes and came to the conclusion that a power is required for this material to be made. Which is indeed true, since Joe used his power that allow him to ignore natural effects like corroding to skip some steps and if not for his powers the metals would corrode in like 18 hours if I remember right.
So Armsmaster concluded that it was all just projected instead of being made. That is also why later when it was proven that Joe can actually make stuff that he thought that he has a shaker power that produced material, since his initial analysis said that the material should not exist in the current state they are in.
While he is correct that power is related, he was mistaken in how it was related.
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God, I hate that this piece of a fanon persists. Unless Ward changed something after the fact, Coil was not Cauldron's agent in the bay. He was one of their clients, yes, and that meant he owed them favors. But the whole point of the experiment in BB was that Cauldron not interfere in it unless it required as S-class response. Did they know what Coil was doing? Yes, and yes, they expected him to basically win out the para-feudalism experiment. But they were not actively helping him, nor was he reporting to them. Coil was a scumbag because of who Thomas Calvert was, not because Cauldron was backing him.
If he really was one of Cauldron's agents, and there was open communication between them, then the whole Echidna incident would NEVER have happened. Hell, half of the stuff Coil did wouldn't have been tolerated because it had the chance to destabilize the entire system they believed they needed. Hell, even knowing about Dinah's power would have had that girl taken from him and put in Cauldron's base for their own use, rather than his. Let's not overstate how much Cauldron was actually involved in in the Bay. People like to throw up their hands and rant 'Contessa-bullshit blah blah blah' as the excuse for everything in the bay, but let's be real (about a fictional character, ha).
Contessa was probably preventing some crazy parahuman from setting off a nuke somewhere while this was going on. She has more important things to do than deal with the 'experiment'.
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Regarding that lazy PRT tester. He was notorious before that happend.
So its a combination of incompetence, trying to cover oneself and malice. At least this part of it.
Here is a direct quote from Roust.
Nowhere was Coil an agent. Zerek might just have chosen the wrong words
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I know this wouldn't be true or canon, but doesn't that make you think of Vicky and her own mastered rating?
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Mastered or master rating? Mastered rating makes me think of someone controls Fragile One from a distance.
edit: you mean Victorias involvment in investigations regarding Panacea+Apeiron+GloryGirl master accusations?
edit: you mean Victorias involvment in investigations regarding Panacea+Apeiron+GloryGirl master accusations?
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Fair enough, and I apologize for the mini-outburst. It's just one of those fanon-theories that always annoys me.
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There is no harm done. I too was a bit too hasty to aggresively defend an argument that struck chord in me.
Ya I didn't mean he works with them I just meant that they could have contacted him since he owes them a favour and he is in the area.
Ya as inefficient some methods Cauldron tends to take, I don't think they would have approved of the treatment of Dinah. And jeer power would have definitely have made her a high priority asset for cauldron if they knew about her ability.
As much as some fic tend to make contessa out to be omniscient, she is not. Unless she is actively looking into something directly or indirectly she wouldn't know about it.
What probably happened is they would have asked their local agents (and by that I mean assets) about what is going on and might have used up a favour or 2.
Servant Saber part one (TheGamer)
Omake time.
Servant Saber part one
'Apeiron, What do you intend to do?'
I turned and saw one of the most powerful women in the world due to her power effectively locking her body in stasis. Dragon's pulse barely says she's alive and I can see that energy is also locked somehow.
'I intend to use everything in my arsenal. It won't be gentle, Alexandria.'
I left before she say more and tapped on my friend's shoulder.
'I should do this before the battle starts, Saber. ... Even if I hate it.'
'Are you sure?'
Yes. 'Yes.'
'Then please.'
'By my first commond seal, I order you to exploit the best opening you can see to use your full powered noble phantasm. By my second I order to fly to it at the chance.'
'It's here'
(Fate/Stay Night's mighty winds plays and I don't know how to put music here)
Two Gundams fly to Leviathan with what's essentially lightsabers and swords begin to fill the air.
'Let's kill it with fire...power.'
Servant Saber part one
'Apeiron, What do you intend to do?'
I turned and saw one of the most powerful women in the world due to her power effectively locking her body in stasis. Dragon's pulse barely says she's alive and I can see that energy is also locked somehow.
'I intend to use everything in my arsenal. It won't be gentle, Alexandria.'
I left before she say more and tapped on my friend's shoulder.
'I should do this before the battle starts, Saber. ... Even if I hate it.'
'Are you sure?'
Yes. 'Yes.'
'Then please.'
'By my first commond seal, I order you to exploit the best opening you can see to use your full powered noble phantasm. By my second I order to fly to it at the chance.'
'It's here'
(Fate/Stay Night's mighty winds plays and I don't know how to put music here)
Two Gundams fly to Leviathan with what's essentially lightsabers and swords begin to fill the air.
'Let's kill it with fire...power.'
Lord Roustabout, hi, first time poster. I'm a fan of the story, love Joe, nicest, most loveable protagonist in a self-insert so far.
Just signed up to say one thing: Joe would probably NOT leave the bottled souls he got from the Sunless Sea Prismatic Laboratory to just languish there.
I feel that a man of his character would at least consider the possibility of giving them bodies, and a measure of life and autonomy back.
Of course it would be a major project, it would not be a priority at this point in time, it would involve risks, and essentially create yet more human-like intelligences, attached to his lab that he feels responsible for, running around.
Even an interface that lets them live inside a virtual world in his lab would be an improvement over merely existing in those filthy bottles.
Just a thought. Thank you for your time.
Just signed up to say one thing: Joe would probably NOT leave the bottled souls he got from the Sunless Sea Prismatic Laboratory to just languish there.
I feel that a man of his character would at least consider the possibility of giving them bodies, and a measure of life and autonomy back.
Of course it would be a major project, it would not be a priority at this point in time, it would involve risks, and essentially create yet more human-like intelligences, attached to his lab that he feels responsible for, running around.
Even an interface that lets them live inside a virtual world in his lab would be an improvement over merely existing in those filthy bottles.
Just a thought. Thank you for your time.
Hmm, I just realized something, I wonder how many people are assuming apeiron works for cauldron? Because anyone who's successfully bought powers from them it's not much of a stretch. And is actually a far more logical explanation then anything else if you know they exist.
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First I wish to state that this is fabulous speculation. I've no idea what actually happend when they checked her power. I'm not particularly good to gather bits of information to form a wholesome picture. I'm still a bit unsure exactly what you're asking about but here it is.
I think when Victoria triggered they made a standard test at Brockton Bay's PRT. This should be about 2 years ago. It should have been a similar test that Jacob's Ladder did at Uppercrust's interlude. It should at max last 30 minuters. As they only did a standard test per say as she wasn't a ward and her powers might look straight forward. The testers might not have draw the conclusions that her emotion aura might change how brains react to things to have lasting effects in long term. They might have tested first eventual brute powers and her forcefield. Then they might test secondary powers like her aura. So secondary powers might get less attention due to how 'lame' it is compared to 'wow look at me mom. I'm flying and lifting 15 ton!' They might have recommended training but Carol could have declined and said that they will do such things of their own. As there was no immediate problems afterwards all paperwork might have slipped through the gaps.
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That make tons of sense in context, for why it was miss Vicky Aura had such effect, too bad Wildbow went back on it and just said no to that, but since he is the author nothing can be done about it, well unless their fanfics in which you can bend the rules for it.