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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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Subrosian_Smithy said:
Why would Dark Matter and Red Matter be indestructible?

Gameplay might not translate 1:1 to Joe's experience of reality.
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Well, this is what happens when you have the laws of different universes competing with each other. Would Aveda Kedavra kill Scion, or at the very least, destroy his current body? Could Galactus convert Scion to energy and eat him? How about Aslan or Zeus? Now, Joe doesn't (yet) have access to those kinds of powers, but even if he did, it would be LordRoustabout who would determine their effects, if Wildbow says (or could be implied to say) Scion is immune to something that another source says has absolute power.
 
Subrosian_Smithy said:
Why would Dark Matter and Red Matter be indestructible?

Gameplay might not translate 1:1 to Joe's experience of reality.
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AntaeusTheGiant said:
Well, this is what happens when you have the laws of different universes competing with each other. Would Aveda Kedavra kill Scion, or at the very least, destroy his current body? Could Galactus convert Scion to energy and eat him? How about Aslan or Zeus? Now, Joe doesn't (yet) have access to those kinds of powers, but even if he did, it would be LordRoustabout who would determine their effects, if Wildbow says (or could be implied to say) Scion is immune to something that another source says has absolute power.
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Questions worth considering for sure, but I think the original reference to invulnerability may have been in regard to the ability to sacrifice materials in exchange for not taking damage. And Joe has essentially infinite materials.
FirstPhilosopher said:
That entirely depends on what Joe thinks of the denizens of the nether (if any). Piglins are sapient (you can trade with them if you have gold armor) and so are Endermen (I assume).
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Golly, I would love to see Joe trying to get to know the Piglins and the Endermen. Maybe the Ghasts as well; I always thought the achievement about freeing one from the nether kind of implied they had more abstract feelings than that of an animal, but that's 100% pure headcanon on my part. Regardless, studying the Nether's native wildlife could also be very fun.

Still, it's the sapient creatures that aren't either Joe's perk guaranteed buddies or genocidal god aliens that really could prove interesting for social stuff here.
 
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AntaeusTheGiant said:
And did you notice LordRoustabout didn't in fact include that particular Perk with the Prismatic Laboratory either. So that route to immortality is probably cut off. (I really doubt he would include it with the Avid Gloves, which is the only perk left from that setting)
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I think it actually might be included with Avid Glove since the fruits and tome also comes as a parting gift of the jump. Lord has said for the Strike Witch perks, some of the non-vital free perks might go to the second perk so there's evidence that free perks aren't just from one perk of a franchise.

The immortality syrup might not show up though since it'd said post-chain only in the doc:
Parting Gifts
Inside the fruit hamper, you find and open this bundle of oddities.

-Oh my, is that a bottle of Hesperidean Cider, the immortality syrup? The text on the label is tiny.
WHOSO THIRSTETH AND DRINKETH OF THIS, SO SHALL HE NEVER DIE. Heals wounds,
promotes growth, cures ailments. Dreams of paradise may come Guaranteed to halt unwanted excursions to the Grey Lands. As per agreement, for post-chain only. That's a bit disappointing.

-A hefty tome, written by Mr Pages himself! The Ambition of the Chained, not a bad read. There are some blank pages at the back that fill as you inspect them. Perhaps it could inspire others into your footsteps. At the very least, reading from it conjures vivid illusions of your life which is fun for charades or distracting opponents. The weak of will who read this may be convinced that they are you, which could prove troublesome.

-That candle you had so long ago. It feels heavier now, perhaps it has fed upon your sins, perhaps it too has changed as you have. St Andrew's Candle no longer burns low, for indeed it resists all attempts to extinguish it. But in the case of your sudden and fatal injury, it flares in brilliant ignition, granting you ten more minutes of life and action as it burns itself down from wick to stub.

It will not heal your injuries, but it will prevent new ones from forming. Should you survive and reverse your fatality, the candle will not and will only renew itself at the beginning of a new jump or after ten years post-spark. The light it gives is a true Neathy light, a reminder of your time in the Fifth City.

-And a selection of fruit. There's pears, apples, plums, ooh peaches! Haven't had those in a while. The Peaches of the Traitor Empress are delicious and best eaten for breakfast.
 
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akatoshslayer said:
When Jeff got back the stream had already started. This time instead of Bakuda, Lung took center stage. March was standing next to Oni Lee in the background as explosions could be heard in the distance. Lung started monologuing about how the ABB couldn't be defeated, how Apeiron failed to save anyone, and how he would conquer the city. Leet rated it a 2/5 on style and a 5/5 on the sheer level of intimidation that was rolling off Lung.
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Really liked this omake. Though I don't think the Triumph part would have been broadcasted. At least not live. Since Joe would have picked it up. Though it was a really short time so it's possible to have it on delay.

Loved the ending.
 
AntaeusTheGiant said:
I think everything that has that option is treated as post-chain. The Master's Body perk he just got was post-chain, and WOG is that if he obtains The Truth thru the Forge, it will also be post-chain, so no limb loss.
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. It's a wording thing. I also think it counts, but post-chain could mean post-Jumpchain so at the very end when you get a Spark. I think the author of the doc meant post-jump, but it's unclear if Lord will interpret it as post-jump or go with the wording of post-chain.
 
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I just had a horrid thought. It would be pretty easy to rule that since Parahumans are contaminated by connection to a parasitic (some say symbiotic) shard, their souls aren't whole enough to have their Auras awakened. You could also rule that interference from the Corona Pollentia prevents the activation of Raildex psionics. Is it possible most of the power-ups Apeiron can offer will only work on mainline humans and not Parahumans?
 
zerak said:
Really liked this omake. Though I don't think the Triumph part would have been broadcasted. At least not live. Since Joe would have picked it up. Though it was a really short time so it's possible to have it on delay.

Loved the ending.
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Thank you, I put the Lung segment in because I imagined he wouldn't have others speak for him. The way I imagined it was having the stream was on a delay. The fact March already did that before shows she would do it again.
 
AntaeusTheGiant said:
I just had a horrid thought. It would be pretty easy to rule that since Parahumans are contaminated by connection to a parasitic (some say symbiotic) shard, their souls aren't whole enough to have their Auras awakened. You could also rule that interference from the Corona Pollentia prevents the activation of Raildex psionics. Is it possible most of the power-ups Apeiron can offer will only work on mainline humans and not Parahumans?
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Oof. I hope not. I was really hoping that Aisha would be getting Aura since the duplicate figured it out with That Undefinable Thing and probably recorded the unlocking in a report that included the info on Chen.

I'm not sure about the Railgun Esper power since that is connected to how one sees the world and to the brain.

I think Aura should be possible since no soul is actually being housed in the Shard. Lord said at the end of the cycle, souls of the Hosts are collected. I saw that as meaning the soul is still in the body, not yet to be collected.
 
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Well, I guess he could always teach Aisha Alchemy--she should love taking classes lol. Which Alchemy was it he could teach again? The Full Metal one or the Castlevania one?

Anyway, off to bed for me. One final thought--once we get to the Capstone Constellation, possibly as soon as Joe gets Avid Glove, the only capstone currently available is the 800 pt Percy Jackson one (the others haven't yet rolled their prerequisites, though I suppose Titan's Blood could be rolled without it). Glory to.. has two options. Could LordRoustabout allow it to be rolled twice, and therefore have both options be possible? Not likely to happen, mind, not at 800 pts...
 
I don't see it.

Amy, who is quite out of tune with her Shard's desires to gather data by experimenting with her power, would have a harder time if the thing is constantly sapping her will or encouraging feedback loops on the things that agitate her insecurities. Use of aura seems to come from being in tune with the conception of who 'you' is. If you deliberately aren't in tune with yourself and don't demonstrate self-knowledge and self-mastery, you're going to have issues.

Lung, who is very in tune with his shard, wouldn't have trouble with it.

Armsmaster, who is very driven and focused, wouldn't have any trouble.

Vista would have mixed feelings because it's an ability that comes from Apeiron, but she's also ultimately kept from the front where she actually wants to be because she's just a kid without a brute package. Far as we can tell this might be because her shard also is encouraging those feedback loops which pummel her own buttons until they get stuck, so anything that makes risk-taking behavior easier to get away with would be her speed.

Taylor, who is very driven to tunnel-vision on what's important to her and damn everything else, but also very insecure about what people think at the same time, would invariably have the moments where she's walking on those sweet Sechen Spots and Aura would come easier to her. Conversely, in her down time when nothing crazy is happening, because she's got serious 'mistaken identity' issues, would have trouble actually training it outside of live scenarios.

Aisha's a peculiar case in that what her shard gives her, is pretty much the opposite of what she actually wants. Which demonstrates walking those Sechen ranges has little to do with whether or not the shard will interfere with your ability to use aura or not. For some it might help, the ones who have taken their trauma and tried to make it into their strength, out of either desperation, fear or genuine growth of character, but the latter is harder to spot since parahumans generally don't have their lives improved by gaining power. Genetic, mental and emotional predisposition to the kind of decision-making that Shards encourage with feedback loops of improved ability with their power doesn't help.

My takeaway, then?

It has little to nothing to do with having a shard or not, and more that having a shard could have exacerbated your circumstances into one where you are denying a core part of your identity, which basically means you can't reliably use aura. Or it could mean you're very in tune with the type of person you are, in which case you should advance in its usage at an alarming rate, if for no other reason then the fact that life-or-death against other unusual abilities, in different locations, makes combat a better grindstone than even the best schooling system you can come up with.
 
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AntaeusTheGiant said:
I just had a horrid thought. It would be pretty easy to rule that since Parahumans are contaminated by connection to a parasitic (some say symbiotic) shard, their souls aren't whole enough to have their Auras awakened. You could also rule that interference from the Corona Pollentia prevents the activation of Raildex psionics. Is it possible most of the power-ups Apeiron can offer will only work on mainline humans and not Parahumans?
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On the Aura front I would say not really a problem. You can have Aura from chunks as seen with Penny so the whole soul thing is not really a pre-requisite for Aura.

For Raildex psionics it may have complications seeing as the process of making one an esper involves " a series of tests, studies, lectures, medicines, body stimulations (drugs injected directly into a blood vessel, the brain being pierced directly from behind the ears) and hypnosis " it may have complications regarding the Corona Pollentia.

It would mean that you would have to adjust the procedures to accomodate for the Corona Pollentia. It is not impossible but it is unlikely for Apeiron/Joe to commit enough wet tinkering to find out how to adjust it.
 
Adding on to my post on my hopes of the Interlude:

Since it's a Vicky POV and as a teen and cape, she'll probably check PHO.

I'm hoping that we get a lot of PHO stuff. I'm hoping that since there will be 2 duplicates, after the operation on Joe, there will be one duplicate staying with Joe to make sure he's resting and recovering and another duplicate that is doing other stuff like maybe going out to help the clean up efforts (cleaning up the Minovsky particles, Dust, eezo, recoverying the broken tech, fixing damage to the buildings and roads, etc.)

I'm hoping the duplicate that stays, works on the online responses. Joe has gotten better at that and now knows the importance of PR and due to his actions and info dump, there'll be questions. I want that duplicate to give details on the fight and comments on the intentions and stance of Apeiron. I want him to really alleviate public worry and better public opinion and relations.

I think it'd be interesting to either see the duplicate make his own account for all future duplicates or just use the main Apeiron account.

Seeing actual PHO posts and responses from Apeiron when Vicky, the POV character, looks through, browses, comments and reacts on PHO would be really nice.

Having Apeiron react to any PRT comments/announcements would be cool. Seeing Gully, Weld, Dragon, Vista, Garment, and other capes also in the PHO thread would be cool too.
 
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Cosmic said:
Adding on to my post on my hopes of the Interlude:

Since it's a Vicky POV and as a teen and cape, she'll probably check PHO.

I'm hoping that we get a lot of PHO stuff. I'm hoping that since there will be 2 duplicates, after the operation on Joe, there will be one duplicate staying with Joe to make sure he's resting and recovering and another duplicate that is doing other stuff like maybe going out to help the clean up efforts (cleaning up the Minovsky particles, Dust, eezo, recoverying the broken tech, fixing damage to the buildings and roads, etc.)

I'm hoping the duplicate that stays, works on the online responses. Joe has gotten better at that and now knows the importance of PR and due to his actions and info dump, there'll be questions. I want that duplicate to give details on the fight and comments on the intentions and stance of Apeiron. I want him to really alleviate public worry and better public opinion and relations.

I think it'd be interesting to either see the duplicate make his own account for all future duplicates or just use the main Apeiron account.

Seeing actual PHO posts and responses from Apeiron when Vicky, the POV character, looks through, browses, comments and reacts on PHO would be really nice.

Having Apeiron react to any PRT comments/announcements would be cool. Seeing Gully, Weld, Dragon, Vista, Garment, and other capes also in the PHO thread would be cool too.
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I imagine that New Wave either doesn't have an info network, so Vicky would be using a PHO thread to gather intel, or they would be working with the PRT since it's a crisis, in which case other wards/gully might send out their location on comms because they need backup.
 
The Shallow said:
I imagine that New Wave either doesn't have an info network, so Vicky would be using a PHO thread to gather intel, or they would be working with the PRT since it's a crisis, in which case other wards/gully might send out their location on comms because they need backup.
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Nice, depending on the time frame of the Interlude, we would be able to see Vicky's live reaction to the events of the Broadcast. Joe also sent out an alert and info dump on the ABB and conscripts and their bombs/impants. That probably is shared on PHO. I really want to see the response and how the capes, emergency services and PRT are dealing with things.

I'm hoping for a pov of the aftermath though since I feel like Vicky scrambling and helping during the crisis would paint the Interlude as too cheerless and worry filled. While I'd like to see her live reaction to the Broadcast, I feel like her state during the middle of a crisis rather than the relief of the aftermath won't result in the kind of chapter I hope for.

There's also the bit on how the PRT are gonna deal with the webbing. I'm hoping Joe made it so that the webbing could be dissolved by vinegar specifically or something similar. It'd make sense since he carries it around for Evermore Alchemy.
 
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Cosmic said:
Joe also sent out an alert and info dump on the ABB and conscripts and their bombs/impants. That probably is shared on PHO.
There's also the bit on how the PRT are gonna deal with the webbing. I'm hoping Joe made it so that the webbing could be dissolved by vinegar specifically or something similar. It'd make sense since he carries it around for Evermore Alchemy.
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Joe's infodump was on PHO, aswell as to emails to the PRT.
Webbing dissolved in like an hour, so as they'd capture these people they'd notice it start to fade, seeing as Joe was doing that whole thing for at least an hour.
edale said:
Is it me, or did Joe just get the absolute best possible outfit for Aura usage?

And I don't think it was even mentioned in-chapter...
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It was in the warehouse, so it never came up. And yes, he did. They'll have to rebuild the costume and incorporate this into it, to pass on the Fiat.

Also, was thinking of That Undefinable Thing. I wonder if through a combination of that & the arcane craft(channel his technokinesis and soul-energy better?) Joe could upgrade his computer-core mental acceleration to ridiculous levels, since the big issue is physical strain.
 
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TheGolden said:
Wait, Joe can open a portal to the Warp? I would be a biiiig mistake to open one. In fact, by their very nature a portal would instantly detected by Warp predators and then it would be too late. They would come and it would be too late to even close it. Worm is pink pretty world compared to absolute grim of 40k
Buuuut, there's one chance that Primarch Vulkan appears and everybody would get a giant hug!
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I will note that in 40k lore, the warp is a reflection of the universe inhabitants, and one planet of people can't typically create blood thruster level deamons anyway. But basically, the reason that 40k deamons are so scary is that they feed off the eternal suffering of 40k and in turn cause it, feeding off of the suffering they cause. In worm, it's more.... depressing. It would be deamons of resignation and war because of how earth bet has accepted his fate.
 
The Shallow said:
Joe's infodump was on PHO, as well as to emails to the PRT.
Webbing dissolved in like an hour, so as they'd capture these people they'd notice it start to fade, seeing as Joe was doing that whole thing for at least an hour.

It was in the warehouse, so it never came up. And yes, he did. They'll have to rebuild the costume and incorporate this into it, to pass on the Fiat.

Also, was thinking of That Undefinable Thing. I wonder if through a combination of that & the arcane craft(channel his technokinesis and soul-energy better?) Joe could upgrade his computer-core mental acceleration to ridiculous levels, since the big issue is physical strain.
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Can I get a quote/cite on the webbing dissolving in an hour? Is it on the 40k wiki? I've been searching for info on that but didn't find anything.

I never even thought of that. Soul control of the Throne. I'd like to see how connecting to it via his soul will affect his presence in cyberspace. Will he feel close to the AI, will he see their soul and soul avatars?
 
The Shallow said:
No, Joe is a closeted goth showboater, barbarian chic is simply not HIM. It will be an edgy Apeiron outift.
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Eh? If it's not Babarian Chic for the comedy value, then hopefully it has at least one vaguely weaponesque aspect to it (spiked pauldrons maybe?). That way he'd be able to fully upgrade it with ALL his powers working in sync, the same way he did with his boots.

Oh, and another fun thing I noticed:

LordRoustabout said:
Connections: Hell (Fallen London) Free:
Those amber eyed Devils have taken a shine to you. From their Westernmost halls, to the Brass Embassy on Ladybones, there's not a tempter who doesn't know you. Their gifts include nevercooling brass, poisonous wine, masquerade invites, chemicals, and a few bottled souls that strayed away from the archives. Cannot take with Church.
They will send you gifts every fortnight as payment for some obscure service. Similar factions may be present in future jumps.
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Oh look, guilt-free bottled souls to use with That Undefinable Thing!
 
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