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Not joking, but the first ish human warp entity would prob be Santa Claus or some other mass media entity that's somewhat linked to an big religion
Then it's figures of religions
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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Then it's figures of religions
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I wonder how quickly those warp denizens would get eaten by the Entity's hypothetical warp god.
Well, actually, maybe it wouldn't touch them at all. The entities have a consistent philosophy they follow after all, so I'm imagining their god would follow along with that. Imagine a Warp God Entity handing at paragod abilities to Warp Human Gods, thus encouraging a huge paragod battle of the heavens.
The canon 40k warp got its own awful start with a big war like that, right?
cryptoam
building an 1980s encrypted protocol
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Please no. We already have many potential players, we don't need reality cancers popping up.
But yes, I agree on what the Entities imprint on the warp would be.
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it depends really, the Tau didn't have a god till they start annexing human worlds because they had a small warp presence, it would depend on that and if they believe in something strongly and/or something religiously
now why Saint nick would be the first warp entity? because its one of the most believed entity on earth and it only needs to use its "powers" once a year only
now the karmic effect would be weird, like what happens if you ask warp Santa for a dog , would it get the local dog from a shelter or would it make a Dog from warp stuff,...... now imagine what would happen if a teen ask for something like a boyfriend/girlfriend, money, winning lottery tickets etc
New headcannon: ThinkTank hears Apeiron say 'that is three day old tech' and thinks 'he is a super-tinker, tinkertech breaks down really quickly without the tinker to maintain it, obviously Apeiron's tech breaks down even faster since he acts like he couldn't use 3 day old tech and he keeps coming out with newer and newer tech'
Makes perfect sense.
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One more new headcannon: It is known that people near parahumans can trigger with similar powers, Apeiron (assumedly) triggered in the same city as Lung. Red Glowy Thing might be Apeiron's bud of Lungs power (or recreation of Lung's power via wet-tinkering) He even has pyrokinesis and reptile transformation now! Obviously he needs to ramp-up just like Lung, so he's not that bad... right?
Makes perfect sense.
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One more new headcannon: It is known that people near parahumans can trigger with similar powers, Apeiron (assumedly) triggered in the same city as Lung. Red Glowy Thing might be Apeiron's bud of Lungs power (or recreation of Lung's power via wet-tinkering) He even has pyrokinesis and reptile transformation now! Obviously he needs to ramp-up just like Lung, so he's not that bad... right?
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Of all the shit Joe would be fearful of causing if he ever interacted with the Warp, I feel confident he would be totally blindsided by a Jack-Skellington-Ass Monster Santa filling the earth with Pets and Money made out of demons.
The more we discuss this, the more I really hope we see Warp shenanigans at some point in this story.
AntaeusTheGiant
Child of Gaea
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One theory I thought of they could come up with--Apeiron is a Mayfly tinker. Or maybe that's part of his Case 52-ness. For each day of his life he lives/ages a year. It explains his extreme pace of advancement, and why he is so contemptuous of 3 day old tech. Also why Khepri was his sweetie last week, and now its on to older people. So, all they have to do is wait two or three months, and Apeiron is over with!
Maybe Void Cowboy will come up with that theory on PHO...
Maybe Void Cowboy will come up with that theory on PHO...
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maybe, he already showed that he has some serious healing tech
AntaeusTheGiant
Child of Gaea
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Well, yes, the elderly he healed when he removed their bombs had arthritis and other conditions repaired, but he didn't make them younger. He didn't fix cellular degeneration or replace all the decayed telomeres on all their DNA molecules.
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Please tell me he didn't fix their telomeres, and that soon they won't have hair coming back in its original colors and their skin becoming less wrinkled.
Cause if anything would cause greater chaos than all the case 52s coming into town, it would be everyone wanting to be younger doing the same.
As far as 40k influenced Santa, well. There is evidently quite the fanbase for such.
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Lightwavers
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That poster who suggested putting immortality serum in the water might be on to something...
I bet that Garment will love the new colours. She will probably want to add Violant (Unbiden Memory) and Apocyan (Envisioned Future) to most of her and Joe's outfits to keep them in the memory of others and to make them think of possibilities, dreams and potentials (Apeiron, boundless).
AntaeusTheGiant
Child of Gaea
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- Lawrence, KS
And did you notice LordRoustabout didn't in fact include that particular Perk with the Prismatic Laboratory either. So that route to immortality is probably cut off. (I really doubt he would include it with the Avid Gloves, which is the only perk left from that setting)
The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
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ffs I was just meming. Hespian Cider in microdoses just heals you better anyways.
It's actually coming with the avid glove iirc
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Don't forget that if Joe rebuild the city ,with bastion tech he can actually revive stuff with that and insta rebuild
I really want him to get EE (Minecraft), and get actual factual indestructible equipment, not 'nearly indestructible' like from Master Craftsman but fiat guaranteed INDESTRUCTABLE and he should be able to tank Sting with it (though maybe be pushed). Also, philosopher's stones (are they equivalent to FMA philosopher's stones?), dark matter, red matter, portals to the Nether, passive matter creation, and the ability to burn resources instead of taking wounds. (he already has that candle, but more protection always helps)
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The perk also allows him to go to the nether to get glowstone
lord wog said somewhere
I said that (well not the glowstone part)
Are the Rubbery Men literally going to be walking up to Joe's apartment to deliver the packages? Or are they just going to appear in his Personal Reality? Because if they are going to actually 'risk stonings and harsh glances' to deliver to his apartment then Joe will be outed as someone connected a mysterious squid Case-53.
Cosmic
Novel Addict
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I guess it's a matter of personal perspective then. While I also had a shit-eating grin whenever Joe was one-upping the enemy, MY take away by the end of the chapter, especially after my emotions have cooled off, wasn't just the thrill of the action because along with the excitement of the fight there was also worry for the aftermath.
While none of March's plans fully succeeded, they were able to be carried out and do their damage. Despite Joe's preparations, they weren't enough and it was only through March monologuing, splitting open his face, Tetra, the potion remnants, and through the Forge's power-ups that Joe pulled through. Of course that's not really true, definitely not the full picture, but that became one of the main things that fed and tainted my feelings about the chapter.
The damage to the docks, the clean up of the Dust and tech, the exotic effects that linger from the bombs, the traumatized conscripts, the webbing that the PRT has to deal with, the Malinovsky particles and eezo, the injured state of Joe, Tetra, and Garment, the future threat of Bakuda, Oni Lee, and March, etc. all were worries that kept occupying my thoughts once the triumph I felt from the ABB's and Lung's defeat ended. The thrill of the fight was fleeting. My thoughts moved away from the triumph of the present/past and onto the fears of the future.
I guess the pessimist and Worm fan in me can't feel triumphant because I become so focus on the many problems that arose and on the future. It's hard to look at the accomplishments especially when there was an ambiguity of the main victory as well when that victory was not a clear-cut finality.
I worry for Lord because the Interlude is gonna be a challenge in a variety of ways. It'll be a significant mark in his journey as a writer.
Beyond the difficulties of writing, the Interlude not only acts as the true official response to the controversy of the latest chapter and this entire arc but also represents how well Lord can recover and hopefully RISE from it. The Interlude, for some fans, will be what determine if they'll stay or leave, and even for those who were always going to undoubtedly stay, it will determine the attitudes and expectations they'll hold for the characters and story as a whole from now on.
My worry is that the Interlude will focus on "how things could have been worse" and "how bad things are and are gonna get." When you look for the follow up of an incident, the thing you wish to hear on the news isn't how things are bad, how that bad will get worse, and how it could have been way way worse. That negativity is poison to the audience.
When it comes to Worm and its fanfics, its fans, and especially its heroes, people need to find a silver lining and grab firmly onto whatever victories they can. In a world of S-class threats and Endbringers, heroes need to be able to feel like they've done something that matters and that it was a net-positive that it can't be taken away. It sort of goes back to the reality of superheroes especially those in Worm, things don't become about the accomplishment and instead about the damage.
I think that personally, the hype and excitement of the fights (Oni Lee, March, Lung) and the power-ups like the Pro Aima, Trauma, Beast Form, Gundam, etc. are too fleeting. The feelings I have for the action are don't stay with me. It's just the final outcomes, the bullet point of accomplishments. Worse, for me, I link the magnitude and achievement of that action to the status of the enemy.
What I NEED is for the true accomplishments to be highlighted to me. The true accomplishments do not lie in the status of the ABB members or on how blood-pumping the fight was. It lies in all the ripples and details surrounding it. It lies beyond the spectacle. It lies in the lasting consequences and effects as well as the difficulties, emotions, follow up, and adversity, etc. behind each action and event.
The entire fight with the ABB and the outcome was an extraordinary achievement! I could say that it was extraordinary because "it could have been much worse", but while that may be true, it detracts away from the accomplishment and victories hard-earned during this arc.
The true reason for why it was extraordinary was because the response and the main characters involved did the incredible. The ABB is done. They've lost. Apeiron won. The ABB capes and the fight itself don't matter.
Joe did something no one in-verse could have expected. He practically single-handedly saved Brockton. He is a Hero. The level of skill and resources brought to bear and shown are staggering. The outcome of this/that day was miraculous. It was miraculous not because of luck or anything of the sort, but because of Joe's perseverance, determination, preparations, and hard work.
The speed at which he was able to tackle the many threats spread across an entire city. The webbers and the drone that allowed him to quickly and nonlethally capture/stop the conscripts and gang members. The maneuvering and planning that were done by Fleet and Survey. The amazing work of the duplicate in getting a piece of Bakuda's deadmen code. The rescue of Chen. The hacking and seizing of the ABB's network and info. The information that Joe released on the conscripts locations, the bombs and implants, ABB resources and members, on the areas of danger, on the best way the PRT and emergency services can handle it, etc. should be things that should be applauded and focused on. The driving off of Lung away from the city because Apeiron worried about the city and citizens. The meaning and message that the Dragon team-up will have and send. So so so many more little details.
Those are the things that need to be focused on. Those are the things that matter and stay with readers. Because everything was from Joe's point of view, we focused on the action and on the capes. The details and impacts behind them got away from us.
I want the Interlude to really show everyone that this was a WIN. Not just any win. One that was earned and that was all due to Joe's own actions, resolve, and care for the city. I want the full scope of it.
There's a reason why there should have been an addendum. People, I included, were so focused on the death/capture/defeat of the capes that we forgot about what Joe's true goal was, saving the city. An addendum would have shifted our focus. It would have given us and highlighted accomplishments that were clear, certain, undeniable, and lasting. It would have gotten our mindset and pov away from Joe's. It would have been nice to see a civilian's, bystander's, or just someone else beside's Joe's takeaway. An addendum would have shifted our focus away from the action and the cape K.O.s and onto the big picture. It would have shown people it wasn't a war lost or a bitter victory, but a battle hard won, a city saved, and a journey continued.
It was a blunder in my opinion to have the end, the close off of the chapter being from Joe's pov. Joe was in a bad condition. He was injured. He passed out. While it's very shounen in the "hero finishes the awesome fight all banged up and cover in injuries" kind of way, the reality is that Joe's condition is serious and the first-person really highlighted how close and taxing the fight was. No one, in real life, likes seeing someone they care for hurt. They aren't focused on how "heroic" they look when they're injured and passed out.
The first-person pov from the injured protagonist doesn't end the chapter well. An addendum would have actually given us an outsider pov and enforced the heroicness, the awe, the emotional impact. It's especially since we as an audience were also enraptured much like the in-verse characters and citizens would be. Having someone or a pov that represents everyone, not Joe, a pov that affirmed and paralleled our awe as well as brought back attention to the details of the event and the scope of accomplishment. It would have ended the chapter on a much higher note.
The Addendum was important because it would have framed things and shifted our focus to the victories. The Undersider rescue arc has the conscripts being freed and saved as the high note. Crescendo has Aisha as the ending high note. We didn't get that this chapter.
I think the root of the controversy that lied in the latest chapter, at least to ME, was that many relate to Joe, love him, and very much hold his pessimism, cynicism, and perfectionism. Anything short of 100% wouldn't do. We hold certain expectations for Joe as a main character and Joe hold certain expectations for himself as a Hero. We see him as the Light of Earth Bet. And he sees himself as needing to always do better.
"I could already see lights going out in the North Docks, marking an area about two blocks wide as it cut into the city. The complications of my fight causing yet more problems for the citizens of Brockton."
We see it in the quote above. Many of the upset readers are Joe. They can't see the good and victory. They share his standards, pessimism, and perfectionism.
Joe to me is Spiderman. He's Peter Parker. Apeiron is the mask that Joe wears yet also a symbol of who he is at his best. Joe and Apeiron are one and the same. Just like Peter Park and Spiderman are. He's very human. Lord did a wonderful job in making a complex, captivating, and relatable protagonist and character.
March stuff(spoilers, ignore if you want, I'm just venting):
The reason why some people are upset about March is the manner in which it happened. Before this chapter, I was fine with March getting away, however, the events on this chapter were done in a way that was against my expectations in how close it would be and how personal it would be.
We all love Joe. We want him to succeed and get better. We want him to get clear victories. People were upset for Joe and because they like Joe.
The reason many are upset is that March was literally within Joe's very grasps. Joe was in agony and rage due to the trap she planned. Joe was able to dramatically push through and persevere. It was a personal milestone in his character, a highlight of his metal and what he could be at his best.
However, March somehow survived instant death by Joe's very hand.
To dig in the wound further, the reason for why she survived along with how she will despite her conditions is because of author fiat. Literally, because Lord wants her to.
The reason why that hurts is that Lord didn't need to have March's injuries be by the very hand of Joe or her survival to be due to author fiat to the degree where our SoD is broken by her being able to crawl and think clearly as well as the motoroid being right beside her. There were ways he could have executed this story direction, but he had to do it in the most personal way for Joe as well as in such a lucky and SoD breaking way.
The reason many are upset is that it felt like March's demise and Joe's absolute and set triumph and turn around was taken away at the last minute. In such a cliche way too. The events that build up to the March confrontation from the expectation of what this chapter will be to the very close, up and personal nature of Joe and March's confrontation were why people were upset.
I'm hoping that for the Preamble of the coming Interlude if it's March's POV, Lord makes it quick to swallow. No matter what he does, it's gonna be hard for many to swallow her survial. If it's author fiat, make it quick because it's gonna be hard to digest either way. About her crawling then extracting of the call gem despite her condition and the distance of the motoroid away from her, I hope he tries his best to fly through it and try to minimize the break in SoD.
We all love Joe. We want him to succeed and get better. We want him to get clear victories. People were upset for Joe and because they like Joe.
The reason many are upset is that March was literally within Joe's very grasps. Joe was in agony and rage due to the trap she planned. Joe was able to dramatically push through and persevere. It was a personal milestone in his character, a highlight of his metal and what he could be at his best.
However, March somehow survived instant death by Joe's very hand.
To dig in the wound further, the reason for why she survived along with how she will despite her conditions is because of author fiat. Literally, because Lord wants her to.
The reason why that hurts is that Lord didn't need to have March's injuries be by the very hand of Joe or her survival to be due to author fiat to the degree where our SoD is broken by her being able to crawl and think clearly as well as the motoroid being right beside her. There were ways he could have executed this story direction, but he had to do it in the most personal way for Joe as well as in such a lucky and SoD breaking way.
The reason many are upset is that it felt like March's demise and Joe's absolute and set triumph and turn around was taken away at the last minute. In such a cliche way too. The events that build up to the March confrontation from the expectation of what this chapter will be to the very close, up and personal nature of Joe and March's confrontation were why people were upset.
I'm hoping that for the Preamble of the coming Interlude if it's March's POV, Lord makes it quick to swallow. No matter what he does, it's gonna be hard for many to swallow her survial. If it's author fiat, make it quick because it's gonna be hard to digest either way. About her crawling then extracting of the call gem despite her condition and the distance of the motoroid away from her, I hope he tries his best to fly through it and try to minimize the break in SoD.
My worry is that the Interlude will fail to highlight the accomplishments and victories. The POV will be from Vicky and that scares me.
Vicky is dealing with a lot of problems right now. From her parents, to Amy, to Dean being away, to the city being in a mess. I fear the POV won't give us the Light we need.
I fear that the Interlude will not be able to bring people the feeling of satisfaction in what Joe has done. I fear that it'll only bring about more negative, dig up the emotions of the latest chapter's controversy, and not bring any closure. I fear that we'll only see "how things could have been worse." I don't want to focus on the damage and the fears of the people. I want the relief that the fighting is over and only clean up remain. I want the awe of how Apeiron was able to save the city. I want a bright outlook now that the ABB are gone and the conscripts are safe and recovering. I want some HOPE in Earth Bet.
I fear that the Interlude and POV will be like Missy/Vista's Addendum. I don't want this incident to make people fear Apeiron. I don't want it to be like how Missy sees the time bubble as a monument of Apeiron's power. I want people to see it as Gully did. I want people to see the citizens that were pushed away to safety, the detail that showed Apeiron/Joe's humanity and potentially as a hero. Because that hint to Joe's character is important.
Crescendo wasn't about crashing the ABB's stock trading scheme or fighting Uber and Leet. It was about Joe rushing in to rescue Aisha. We all can see the full depth of Joe. We see the person who would give their all and put a drain on their very soul just to ensure the safety of a kid.
This part of Set Up stood out to me:
I want the Interlude to show that there are people who now see Joe as Weld does.
I think calling everything very Shounen captures my hopes for what the public's reaction will be. Just like with the Broadcast during the Undersider rescue, I want the citizens of Brockton Bay to be searching for hope. I want them to feel sadness, shock, and dread of when Joe got injured and nearly executed then I want them to cheer and feel the same hope, awe, and blood-pumping excitement we did when Joe stood back up stronger and turned the tides. I don't want them to see Joe as another cape that is responsible for tearing their city apart. I want him to be a beacon of hope. For them not to fear his might, but to feel hope and comfort in it because the survival of the city is a result of his hard work and perseverance. I'm hoping people see Apeiron in a new light.
I'm hoping the many PHO posts we see, since Vicky is probably on her phone/online often, will be able to really bring light to the good of today's event. I think not only do the readers need it, but Joe does too. I think it'd also bring some light if instead of the negativity and angst, we see some character growth and maturity in Vicky. I want to see things getting better from this. Some relief and recovery. Additional Thoughts.
I'm also hoping for an Addendum with the Interlude from Aisha's POV since that'll likely bring enough light to everything and it'd close everything off on a high note. I'm hoping it shows how the bond of the team has strengthened. How Joe, Tetra, and Garment are better and closer. How the AI's are handling things. Etc. Etc. How the events of the latest chapter should be reacted to with feelings of triumph and accomplishment.
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- Up on a Hill
Yet another Hell to add to the pile. Delightful.
At least Joe can use this one as a relatively safe (for him) extended building space. Doesn't even go against the spirit of the original setting.
AntaeusTheGiant
Child of Gaea
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I suppose a lot of these people who are disappointed March is not completely dead were also disappointed Voldemort wasn't completely dead at the end of The Sorcerer's Stone.
To be honest, Joe is a lot like Harry Potter in that both are very reactive and not proactive in the least. I'll give you an example of each, Joe's first.
Joe notices that the dog of Rachel's he has healed is in much better condition than the other two dogs she has with her, and that the other two are scarred and worn down, evidence of a hard life. He briefly examines the one he healed to make sure there were no side effects. Does he offer to heal the other two of their various minor injuries, so they are in as good a shape as the one is? Something that would take a good 10 seconds each? Does he do that for the one Undersider who has come to support him the strongest? No. Nor does he ask if she has other dogs with serious health problems he could look at.
Harry Potter is looking at the infamous Black family tree. He notices there is a Potter on there married to a Black daughter, and that had a son. In the time range that it could have been his father. Does he ask if this Potter is his Grandfather? No, not even when Sirius casually mentions that Arthur Weasley is related to the Blacks but has been disinherited from them. As a result there is much fanon and fanfiction linking him to the spot on the Black family tree before the author finally gives WOG that his grandparents are two entirely unheard of before people.
This seems to be a major issue going forward for both. Harry really only does things that appear right in front of his face or that are assigned to him by others. Joe only addresses issues that have reached crisis proportions, and seems to build things to respond to crises rather than to prevent them.
To be honest, Joe is a lot like Harry Potter in that both are very reactive and not proactive in the least. I'll give you an example of each, Joe's first.
Joe notices that the dog of Rachel's he has healed is in much better condition than the other two dogs she has with her, and that the other two are scarred and worn down, evidence of a hard life. He briefly examines the one he healed to make sure there were no side effects. Does he offer to heal the other two of their various minor injuries, so they are in as good a shape as the one is? Something that would take a good 10 seconds each? Does he do that for the one Undersider who has come to support him the strongest? No. Nor does he ask if she has other dogs with serious health problems he could look at.
Harry Potter is looking at the infamous Black family tree. He notices there is a Potter on there married to a Black daughter, and that had a son. In the time range that it could have been his father. Does he ask if this Potter is his Grandfather? No, not even when Sirius casually mentions that Arthur Weasley is related to the Blacks but has been disinherited from them. As a result there is much fanon and fanfiction linking him to the spot on the Black family tree before the author finally gives WOG that his grandparents are two entirely unheard of before people.
This seems to be a major issue going forward for both. Harry really only does things that appear right in front of his face or that are assigned to him by others. Joe only addresses issues that have reached crisis proportions, and seems to build things to respond to crises rather than to prevent them.
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The Sorcerer's Stone was 76,944 words. This story is ~710,000. There is an order of magnitude of difference. People are/were hoping for a good payoff for the build up.
I trust that LORD will give us a good ending to March, if not next chapter (with her being a shard-zombie) then a few chapters from now when she effectively commits suicide by cape
AntaeusTheGiant
Child of Gaea
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- Lawrence, KS
It's also been 6 months rather than the 10 years it took the Harry Potter books to finish.
Also, March wasn't introduced in the first chapter like Voldemort was.
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That entirely depends on what Joe thinks of the denizens of the nether (if any). Piglins are sapient (you can trade with them if you have gold armor) and so are Endermen (I assume).
Or Lord could go the along one of the boring routes: Joe might just 'nope' out of there once he has the stuff he needs, he might decide to never build the Nether Portal, or he might go there and find no mobs at all.
Here is a list of the rest of the mobs in the Nether: Blaze, Chicken Jockey, Ghast, Hoglin, Magma Cube, Piglin Brute, Skeleton, Strider, Wither Skeleton, and Zombified Piglin.
Subrosian_Smithy
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- Washington
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- She/Her/Hers
Why would Dark Matter and Red Matter be indestructible?
Gameplay might not translate 1:1 to Joe's experience of reality.