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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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Despite how messed up Joe got, there's some good that came out of it, and that's how Joe's exotic materials may have entered and infused in his body. So how enhanced you guys think Joe's going to be when he wakes up? Here's some potential stuff he could've gotten:
Life fiber hybrid
Mass Effect biotic
Valkyria Chronicles Valkyur
Gundam Newtype

Anything I'm missing? How strong do you think these combined enhancements are? Especially if they're combined with his demigod, beast, and aura.
 
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What's nice about being a life fiber hybrid and a valkyur is that they both heal insanely quickly. The main character in Kill la Kill legit gets her heart ripped out, shoves her own fist into her brain, and gets donuted at hundreds of times per second, and she's still fine. I'm not sure so much about Valkyur, but I've heard they have decent regeneration as well. Considering all of this and how his perks/enhancements stack or synergize with eachother, if Joe was hit by that same attack that left him on the edge of death before, he would've regenerated in seconds at least.
 
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I'm honestly more interested in the material analysis that will happen to the Motoriod by the PRT. It has what, 8 unique substances that are not tinker tech and thus can be reproducible on it? Ragnite, Eezo, Ceramite, adamantite, Fold carbon, Mithril, Dust of multiple varieties, nanites?, life fibers?, any I'm missing?

The short of it is Can't wait for the good guys to get an upgrade. Miss Militia will probably go up a rank just from the guns alone.
 
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I'm honestly more interested in the material analysis that will happen to the Motoriod by the PRT. It has what, 8 unique substances that are not tinker tech and thus can be reproducible on it? Ragnite, Eezo, Ceramite, adamantite, Fold carbon, Mithril, Dust of multiple varieties, nanites?, life fibers?, any I'm missing?

The short of it is Can't wait for the good guys to get an upgrade. Miss Militia will probably go up a rank just from the guns alone.
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Biggest problem is that those are exotic substances that either cannot or be incredibly difficult to reproduce or even learn how to use. Plus I don't think all of those materials are there, certainly not life fibers, probably not dust, probably no nanites, and maybe those other stuff but that depends on what Joe did on it before he went out.
 
I say miss milita might get an upgrade because her power works on weapons. Combat boots miss milita. Multilaz miss milita. That kinda a thing. As for the rest yeah its slim but I just want the 'good guys' to get some of the sweet sweet escalation.
 
Regarding any attempts to copy Joe's tech:
He explicitly states in this chapter that the motoroid is basically all magitech, which noone, not even other Tinkers can copy. At most they may notice the Minovsky particles which fled the Gundam's reactor, but nothing else.
 
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I'm honestly more interested in the material analysis that will happen to the Motoriod by the PRT. It has what, 8 unique substances that are not tinker tech and thus can be reproducible on it? Ragnite, Eezo, Ceramite, adamantite, Fold carbon, Mithril, Dust of multiple varieties, nanites?, life fibers?, any I'm missing?

The short of it is Can't wait for the good guys to get an upgrade. Miss Militia will probably go up a rank just from the guns alone.
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Of those, mithril, dust and celestial bronze are divine and magical materials which makes it impossible to be understand by normal physics and works by their own rules. The rest of them are far from human comprenhension and can only be recreate by super tech that can only be created by tinkers. I dont know if they could even break it to see how it works as Joes tech is made from the strongest materials ever made, it is a divine masterpiece and it is over perfection due to elf enchanting
 
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I'm honestly more interested in the material analysis that will happen to the Motoriod by the PRT. It has what, 8 unique substances that are not tinker tech and thus can be reproducible on it? Ragnite, Eezo, Ceramite, adamantite, Fold carbon, Mithril, Dust of multiple varieties, nanites?, life fibers?, any I'm missing?

The short of it is Can't wait for the good guys to get an upgrade. Miss Militia will probably go up a rank just from the guns alone.
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Just about all the stuff is tinker materials or requires tinker tech to make. Fold carbon has extra-demensional properties, Ragnite is magicite, mithril is enchanted, dust does not follow conventional physics, celestial bronze is blessed by literal divine beings, nanites require a non-existent superconductor, life fibers are subatomic lifeforms, and Eezo can only be made in small quantity with Mass Effect era technology. The ceramite and adamantine could be recreated if a sample is acquired. The problems would be getting the required materials to make either of them.
 
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That's not what I mean about tinker tech. Tinker tech too my understanding is not actual doing what most think it does. They are emulators for the passenger to cause effects through. That was the reason why tinker tech is so frustrating for so many. And remember Joe's stuff isn't really tinker tech. Its actual factual tech from other universes. That work as intended.
 
A thought just occurred to me, was the video showing Chen still broadcasting? Did the world just watch Apeiron save Chen, instantly craft amazing weapons & armor for him, and grant him powers?
 
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That's not what I mean about tinker tech. Tinker tech too my understanding is not actual doing what most think it does. They are emulators for the passenger to cause effects through. That was the reason why tinker tech is so frustrating for so many. And remember Joe's stuff isn't really tinker tech. Its actual factual tech from other universes. That work as intended.
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They don't have to be targeting reticles for the Passengers, they just have to be built with Passenger help.

A Tinker's "my freeze ray has extradimensional components bolted on behind the scenes" isn't actually any more egregious than a Blaster's "a multidimensional supercomputer targets and fires freeze rays for me".
 
That explanation just seems like the same thing with extra steps.

A reminder that tinker tech degrades without personal attention from the creator in question. It's just a power emulator in shape of freeze ray.
 
I believe that tinker tech starts by using extra dimensional effects at the start, when they are building out of tin cans and wool, as they use better materials that require less dimensional support they extend or open up more branches in the tech tree.
 
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That's not what I mean about tinker tech. Tinker tech too my understanding is not actual doing what most think it does. They are emulators for the passenger to cause effects through. That was the reason why tinker tech is so frustrating for so many. And remember Joe's stuff isn't really tinker tech. Its actual factual tech from other universes. That work as intended.
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Joe looks at Bakuda's crap and states what it does, and Bakuda gets pissed. At every turn, this story has treated tinkertech as actual technology, not dummy placeholders.

Between that, the fact that Worm canon doesn't treat it as placeholders either, and the fact that it adds an additional step of complexity to why Joe can manipulate it as tech, Occam's says it's just (super) tech in BCF.
 
If it was just tech why is it so difficult for others in canon, to reproduce of other peoples tinker tech if it was just technology then? Dragons whole power was being able to do that. That has been waived here as it makes the stakes higher but in the original that was one of the excuses I got.
 
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If it was just tech why is it so difficult for others in canon, to reproduce of other peoples tinker tech if it was just technology then? Dragons whole power was being able to do that. That has been waived here as it makes the stakes higher but in the original that was one of the excuses I got.
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Yeah dragon's R/E is mostly getting past the black-boxes and scaling things back to modern engineering standards. Joe has not properly black-boxed his shit, so even if Dragon can't figure out the more magitech aspects, there's certainly some stuff she'll be able to R/E from the motoroid.
 
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If it was just tech why is it so difficult for others in canon, to reproduce of other peoples tinker tech if it was just technology then? Dragons whole power was being able to do that. That has been waived here as it makes the stakes higher but in the original that was one of the excuses I got.
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People don't understand the difficulty of reverse engineering. More importantly, the difficulty of reverse engineering technology using unknown physical principles and methods current science doesn't have, produced using evolutionary algorithms rather than a clean breadboarded modular design. Kiod Win is the exception, not the norm for a reason - *all* normal tech is at the low level 100% modular. Tinker's stuff ain't.

Like that might seem blithe, but it's the only way to put it.

Edit: put it another way, there are things in biology we still don't understand, have still failed to duplicate despite their utility. Does that means biology is secretly cheating?
 
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A thought just occurred to me, was the video showing Chen still broadcasting? Did the world just watch Apeiron save Chen, instantly craft amazing weapons & armor for him, and grant him powers?
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I think Joe froze Chen in time to avoid the risk of him dying (he have a... evermore formula that can do that I think, that's what he used on Taylor), pulled him out of the building / in a segment he already dealt with, then worked to save him. So no video.
 
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If it was just tech why is it so difficult for others in canon, to reproduce of other peoples tinker tech if it was just technology then? Dragons whole power was being able to do that. That has been waived here as it makes the stakes higher but in the original that was one of the excuses I got.
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Intently make parts buggy and no principles to work with, only the creation process,

It's like how Joe has this how database for warhammer on how to make weapons and armor, but not the principles and can't stray from what it provides.

Now do that, remove very tenth step from their memory, make the tech as short lived as possible and give a need to use it and make truly understanding impossible by the tinker and there you have it.
 
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If it was just tech why is it so difficult for others in canon, to reproduce of other peoples tinker tech if it was just technology then? Dragons whole power was being able to do that. That has been waived here as it makes the stakes higher but in the original that was one of the excuses I got.
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It IS ''just tech'', as you put it.
The thing is, tinkers dont know whys or hows of the tech, and the shard run on the background making sure to cover for the blackboxed parts.
Fruit of the poisonous tree is afitting term for tinker shards.
 
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