Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

Original Joe didn't.
The Copy Joe that wasn't going to have to deal with the consequences, and knew it, did.
I read the copies as not caring about consequences to themselves because they'll be going bye bye anyway, this is potentially massive consequences for Original Joe and the world. Hopefully it will never actually matter but if it does then this is a massive idiot ball moment.
 
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but the clean up from that fight is going to be a big problem right? Especially if Joe wants to avoid chaos, he (or his duplicates) can't really just post on PHO that there was a TinkerTech reactor breach and not expect people to say that he's just saying so to keep people from dissecting his tech. Also someone said that the rest of the tech destroyed in the fight canonically has bad effects when destroyed in the source material, so yeah, even though the reactor breach was fixed, there are other problems.

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Almost all his tech is fiat backed and if it works like it has previously in this fic (the damaged knives) all the debris should disappear when the items reform.
 
HOLY FUCK THAT IS BROKEN! That is going to be a massive boost to Lifefiber Training.
"Unlimited logarithmic scaling" means heavy, compounding diminishing returns. It'll keep falling off at the same rate per-effort even as the returns per-effort decline. It's a big boost that stacks with the existing boosts and will get even stronger, but it won't spiral out of control.

That would be an interesting way to go, especially after March was somehow able to bomb her without knowing about her before.
March's tripwire before was pretty simple, if accidental. The trader's brain-bomb was set to go off automatically if he didn't follow an order exactly when he was supposed to. March's timing power let her give only orders that could be obeyed, so there was no chance of the bomb going off due to incompetence, only to rebellion. Or to some undetectable actor getting in the way.

The penetrating power of the weapon was nearly beyond description
If you aren't using fractions of a planet, it's not beyond description. If you are using fractions of a planet, you should only be firing at targets above the horizon or at steep downward angles.
 
Realistically going to take a long time for Chen to be able to unlock anyone else, but still very weird move on Joe's part to just release that into the wild.
Keep in mind, Joe needed to get the knowledge of a soul manipulation power before he was able to unlock Chen's Aura, so I'm betting that there's a lot more to spreading it than just saying the words.
 
I don't know why I'm not sleeping but...
If you aren't using fractions of a planet, it's not beyond description. If you are using fractions of a planet, you should only be firing at targets above the horizon or at steep downward angles.
I think I recall Joe commenting on how his sword-gun-thing from field repairing Leet's tech had an absurd range if used with large blade version was used with runes and Energize.

Something about a safe distance of lagrange point 2? That's orbital measurements, I believe...
 
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How did Lung burn through Super-Ceramic Composite Gundarium Alloy stuff?
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Coil: There is his last resort master weapon, just like I found when I gassed him in that dropped timeline. The Threads Of Doom!
 
I'm also looking on Discord and I'm not finding it. Its under Brockton's Celestial Forge tab and in wog or talk-about-the-story?

Talk about story, if I remember correctly. Though this comment was made before Lord released the chapter and has been buried under a lot of comments.

I'll see if I can find it again.

Edit: Nope! Jesus Christ that's twenty minutes I'm never getting back. I'm afraid I got to 4:26 and then gave up, there were so many comments. Most of them were nonsensical! At one point people were just randomly writing numbers down!
 
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I don't know why I'm not sleeping but...

I think I recall Joe commenting on how his sword-gun-thing from field repairing Leet's tech had an absurd range if used with large blade version was used with runes and Energize.

Something about a safe distance of lagrange point 2? That's orbital measurements, I believe...
A Lagrange point:
In celestial mechanics, the Lagrange points are orbital points near two large co-orbiting bodies. At the Lagrange points the gravitational forces of the two large bodies cancel out in such a way that a small object placed in orbit there is in equilibrium in at least two directions relative to the center of mass of the large bodies.
How did Lung burn through Super-Ceramic Composite Gundarium Alloy stuff?
he didn't, sting blew it all up & away
 
So, I find it interesting that Lungs shard stopped ramping against levi-tan because it wasn't getting anymore data from the conflict but against Joe it was 'HEELLLL YEAH!' Whoever gets Lungs New Bud will be interesting.
 
In celestial mechanics, the Lagrange points are orbital points near two large co-orbiting bodies. At the Lagrange points the gravitational forces of the two large bodies cancel out in such a way that a small object placed in orbit there is in equilibrium in at least two directions relative to the center of mass of the large bodies.
That's fairly far then. So many people would faint in fear if they heard Joe think out loud, "Okay, so my three day old outdated version of my even more outdated superblade that once cut the sky can reach somewhere in the Earth's orbit I think. I wonder how far my current one can reach..."
 
At some point, not now but when Apeiron is even more powerful (post endbringer kill?), the author might want to do several blocks of just povs of other characters. When a character is so overwhelmingly powerful, there are only a few real solutions to keep the stakes. Normally the antagonists would attack Apeiron where he is weakest, meaning politically, ethically, through his allies, etc, rather than trying to beat him via combat. But it's clear from reading the comments that this approach would not be well received. We either get a curbstomp or the antagonists have to be scaled up accordingly.

I've read a bunch of fics with the same problem and the best usually write around it. They turn their main character into a force of nature that is acknowledged and show the reverberating effects of their presence through world-building. Not sure what the author intends, but it's going to be divisive regardless.
 
Yesssss. Finally we get to see all his toys get put into play. I'm actually rather gleeful that Lung didn't just get worfed and put down immediately. God, the scale of this battle was ridiculous, and not even just Lung, though most people in-story won't recognize that. Bakuda with her esoteric bombs is capable of harming Endbringers, March as an annihilator cape is capable of harming Endbringers, Oni-Lee was being used as an extension of the two of them, and then obviously Lung has stood up to Leviathan and this time transformed further than anyone has ever seen him.

And Apeiron took them all on and won, even if at cost, and even if some of them probably survived. Any organization with access to high level Thinkers like the PRT is probably going to be shitting themselves over what happened. Cauldron really has to take notice at well at this point.

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And I had just killed someone. He was a monster, sure, but it was still an intentional act of murder. Even if I didn't pull the trigger I signed the death warrant. With every aspect of my mentality ready to dismiss the event or congratulate me for it, my Katsujinken made this feel like a failure.

I was kind of grateful for that. For the fact that there was some moderating force in the Forge that held human life as valuable. As important. Even if I had to feel like crap for saving the city from Lung, at least I felt like crap for the right reason.
This is kind of nice. To be honest I'm personally the pragmatic/utilitarian type that is perfectly fine with just killing off the types of villains that are either irredeemable or nigh uncontainable and found the strict katsujinken philosophy in HSDK kind of annoying at times, but it's nice for Joe to have something like that amidst all the other horrors in the Forge. Like that soul shit he just got in this chapter. Or the summoning almost literally Satan stuff from before, or any of the other couple dozen S-Class extinction type events bumping around in his noggin. At least something in there cares.
 
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I for one am eagerly awaiting Garmet's shop and the possible fallout from that. Joe getting out of his workshop to talk to people, and maybe to some experiments to understand parahuman powers would be interesting. Moving on to an arc where some of his obstacles are more political or people based would be a good change of pace.

There are always the Case 53s, and the complication which come with them.
 
After spending some time thinking:

I don't really get why our MC gets so angry at Lung all of a sudden.

Yes, this is an epic battle, but before this chapter Lung has basically been an afterthought. He's a gimmick that the MC plans around, not a real threat, because if you can avoid him he's just a low-tier brute.

The fact that Apieron gets super mad at Lung for Garment getting hurt is just... weird? Shouldn't he get mad at the chick who actually set up everything? You know, the one who's power actually hurt him and her? We've had several chapters of "March is super dangerous", "March is the real enemy", and so on... and then suddenly, right when Apieron has the opportunity to take her out for good, he instead goes after someone else for no real reason?

It reeks of Soap Opera narrative logic, where this is happening solely because it leads to an immediate cinematic fight (and the fight vs Lung was great), while also allowing the mastermind to escape and continue to be a threat in the future.
 
On the point of the Body of a Master perk, the source it comes from, History's Strongest Disciple, masters were able to break through building and be cutting tanks in half with swords. Not to mention the Grandmaster from that series survived a freaking nuke. So yeah, that power and the scalability of it combined with everything else is something to look forward to
 
Phew, that was a long chapter. Loved finally seeing the showdown between Apeiron and the ABB happen.

Alot of people seem to be upset about how it happened, claiming 'shenanigans!' vs. Oni Lee, but I think it's reasonable.... If March managed to second-trigger him.

March's power is basically 'timings happen'. She's demonstrated knowledge of people's triggers, by giving Leet his box-o'-triggers. It's not that far to think she's also found out what triggered Oni Lee, probably from Lung, and setup the scenario to happen again.

If that's true, and she did second-trigger Oni Lee, it could explain some of the shenanigans we're seeing here. Imagine if, instead of teleporting and leaving a clone, he can teleport a clone to a position. If his clones can now teleport as well. If he can 'shotgun' clones into position.

As far as him getting away from March's 'shield-bomb', all he needs to do is throw it up for half a second, teleport out without the shield, then the clone catches it again.

For March's power not obliterating Apeiron when she marks his face: I'd guess it's like a claymore. This side towards enemy, meaning it does small amounts of damage around the mark, and large amounts of damage wherever it's facing.

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Lease Please, do what you can for the people here.
Passenger trains may have died out but rail likes lines kept shipping goods.
Between her assistance and my new posture powers I stood as an imposing silhouette, gapped gawped at by every member of the ABB currently in the yard.
The first duplicate lest a n left an open line as he worked frantically to repair and decode Bakuda's computer core, shifting most of the countermeasure work to me and the second duplicate.
Any time some of his clones managed to launch a flurry of missiles without being immediately dusted, he learned just how easily I could launch blinding slashes of energy from my sword.
Without a second thought I burst forward again, launching myself at Lung before the hulking cape could react.
He tore me away, taking off a chunk of his knack neck as he did so.
With my shield extended I blazed bast past Lung, raking the barbs and spikes of my shield through his spine with all the speed my dive and rotation would allow.
Looking at the vials I briefly considered how to handle them before just throwing them en masse into my primordial wolf mouth and chewing them like a handful of Gushers.
"Initial and secondary options are unlikely with current resources, tertiary option is possible, bit but will require extreme measures."
And I was basically racking racing Dragon to the scene of the fight.
That was what he was focused on, and that was what clues clued him in to something being wrong.
Our path took us out of the I-field, allowing me to kink link to my duplicate again, which meant communication with Survey, and with Fleet.
Just as Lung was reaching out for Dragon with burning claws a glowing shield of plasma bound in an I-field slammed into him.
He steadied himself from the spin and rounded on dragon Dragon, hands and teeth alight.
The extended shield spammed slammed into Lung's body, causing his head to flail forward.
 
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Almost all his tech is fiat backed and if it works like it has previously in this fic (the damaged knives) all the debris should disappear when the items reform.


I don't think the E-zero isn't gonna be problem because it's fiat back. I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be problem because it's from the duplicate motoroid, which will vanish when the duplicate's timer runs out.
 
Uh. The motoriod thats busted in the ground is aperion's real one. That's still a lot of non tinker tinker tech lying around to be examined.
 
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