Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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Ok so I think I can explain this one. Joe isn't actually freaking out about the annihilator power. When Joe questioned this passenger about March, IT FREAKED THE FUCK OUT. Seriously Joe was nearly hyper-ventilating about his powers reaction to March. Now we know with our meta-knowledge, that the power is freaking out about March because she's trying to kill Fletchette, and Fletchette is needed to kill Scion. So his power said that March is more dangerous than the endbringer's, because March is more likely to succeed in killing Flechette than the Endbringers are, and in a weird way, that makes March more dangerous than the Endbringers.
Now we need to remember that Joe doesn't know that. All Joe knows is that he asked his passenger about March, and got the response he did. Now he does some basic research, and finds out that she has a power that he can't defend against, puts 2 and 2 together, and gets 5.
That's why Joe is so concerned about her, he's misinterpreting his passengers response (as per usual).
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Am I the only one who thinks that passenger might have been uneasy about either Joe turning villain (Joe is closest to 'genuine Iron man' now), uneasy about how oblivious Joe is (That can't be healthy in this line of work!) or about the sole idea of genuine Iron Man turning villain? Imagine somebody like Stark suddenly going villain and using his resources to get villainously inventive.
Worse! Joe made 5 identical watches (via duplication by way of workaholic), Taylor's watch has full omnitool functionality, which means that Lisa's likely contains fully combat capable omnitool as well (with Taylor being the only one informed). Including (drone) assembler, e-war suit, various discharges and the like. In confined environment like Coil's base, Coil will be down before Joe's drones get there.
P.S. Taylor might also not realize that 'scan health' means that if Sophia hits her, Apeiron might notice (but that probably not enough to warrant a privacy breach)
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while it might be possible that Taylor is going to record and release footage of her bullying, i feel like doing so would likely out her, and she would know this. not to mention that I doubt anyone is going to school during a bomb tinker crisis. but at the same time what else could she have planned with them? she already had a talk with armmaster and he's in the lab being turned into a cyborg so it cant be him. Am i missing something? is she planning to use it to record coil if they meet?
I dont think lisa has a full functionality omnitool, i think it's just taylor. just like the knives, she gets the bonus cool stuff.
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Cosmic
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It makes sense for TT to be afraid and careful due to the Coil and Dinah combo since it is a super dangerous Thinker combo and it is smart to control and limit info, but that's not really the thing I have issue with. If that was the only reason for her actions/behavior, it'd be excusable.
Sadly, there's a lot of other reasons behind her behavior. She's still trying to manipulate everything, dragging things out, and keeping things in the dark. I can usually understand her lack of action since Coil is a tough opponent, and she usually doesn't have a lot of options, but this is clearly a different situation that also requires trust and communication.
She doesn't want to tell Joe that the bank robbery was a distraction to kidnap a little girl who is now in Coil's clutches. She's hiding info and dragging things out because she's afraid of the fault/guilt/blame. She's wants to maintain control. A girl is drugged and enslaved, and things are not being done at the needed pace because of TT's pride. I can understand how she has such a mindset and how her lifestyle and situation plays a role in it. I understand her fear, situation, and character, but I can still denounce her behavior.
Another thing I dislike about the situation is her objective. She wants to get rid of Coil. She wants him guaranteed dead or captured. She's super focused on that.
Joe would mark that as secondary. He'd set his objective as rescuing Dinah. His secondary would be taking Coil down even if it's just his resources, etc. The important thing to Joe would be to rescue Dinah and make sure she's safe. Coil can be dealt with later. It doesn't matter if Coil escapes because Apeiron could just attack his resources and foundation. Coil isn't much of a threat without them especially if his identity is found out.
Look at the bank robbery. Lisa is like the Wards, not seeing what's important. Coil is the Undersiders while Dinah are the civilians. The correct thing is to prioritize to the civilians. In the ABB financial center incident, Joe prioritized Aisha, everything else was secondary, a bonus, a target of opportunity.
I'm just frustrated cause like most things in Worm, things could have gone better with proper communication and trust.
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It makes sense she wants to take down Coil. Nothing wrong with that objective. I just would have liked it if she placed more urgency and focus on Dinah. I would have just liked it if she wasn't so tunneled in her objective and was more willing to ask for help or communicate. She was just in the same space with her team and Apeiron. She could right then and there ask for help and get out of Coil's reach. World's greatest tinker can definitely make you a fortress to stay at while he takes care of the snake.
Sadly, there's a lot of other reasons behind her behavior. She's still trying to manipulate everything, dragging things out, and keeping things in the dark. I can usually understand her lack of action since Coil is a tough opponent, and she usually doesn't have a lot of options, but this is clearly a different situation that also requires trust and communication.
She doesn't want to tell Joe that the bank robbery was a distraction to kidnap a little girl who is now in Coil's clutches. She's hiding info and dragging things out because she's afraid of the fault/guilt/blame. She's wants to maintain control. A girl is drugged and enslaved, and things are not being done at the needed pace because of TT's pride. I can understand how she has such a mindset and how her lifestyle and situation plays a role in it. I understand her fear, situation, and character, but I can still denounce her behavior.
Another thing I dislike about the situation is her objective. She wants to get rid of Coil. She wants him guaranteed dead or captured. She's super focused on that.
Joe would mark that as secondary. He'd set his objective as rescuing Dinah. His secondary would be taking Coil down even if it's just his resources, etc. The important thing to Joe would be to rescue Dinah and make sure she's safe. Coil can be dealt with later. It doesn't matter if Coil escapes because Apeiron could just attack his resources and foundation. Coil isn't much of a threat without them especially if his identity is found out.
Look at the bank robbery. Lisa is like the Wards, not seeing what's important. Coil is the Undersiders while Dinah are the civilians. The correct thing is to prioritize to the civilians. In the ABB financial center incident, Joe prioritized Aisha, everything else was secondary, a bonus, a target of opportunity.
I'm just frustrated cause like most things in Worm, things could have gone better with proper communication and trust.
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It makes sense she wants to take down Coil. Nothing wrong with that objective. I just would have liked it if she placed more urgency and focus on Dinah. I would have just liked it if she wasn't so tunneled in her objective and was more willing to ask for help or communicate. She was just in the same space with her team and Apeiron. She could right then and there ask for help and get out of Coil's reach. World's greatest tinker can definitely make you a fortress to stay at while he takes care of the snake.
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Coil is dangerous enough that having him dead or at least captured is a must.
Coil gets functionally infinite chances at whatever he decides to focus on doing. Yes, he is vulnerable to getting blindsided by stuff he isn't focusing on but if Coil wants someone dead he can afford to fail 100 assassination attempts.
Lisa's might not be the paragon of white knighthood sure. Her objectives are still quite sensible.
yeah im assuming that lisa predicted reaction of joe isnt going to be good and wants to put it off as long as possible. like maybe she thinks that joe will cut ties or worst yet go in guns blazing and cause the BB gangs to go nuts. they felt safe as his attention is on match and him going after coil will make them panic. I may be giving her too much credit though, but I have no idea why she wouldn't tell joe the truth otherwise.
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Not really, Coil gets 2 chances at anything, but even then for him to get those two he needs to be completely focused at the task at hand, and even with that the chance may slip away if he waits too long.
He can do two things, not a hundred.
Okay, I could easily be wrong here, but from what I recall Tattletale didn't quite know that Coil was torturing/interrogating her in his alternate/simulated timeline, because she hadn't yet worked out how his 'probability control' worked. So she's not aware that she's essentially immune to his power now. The moment he calls her after failing to interrogate her in a dropped timeline, she should know that he's *fluff*ed.
At that point, she's got to decide whether to lay all the relevant cards on the table for Joe. I hope she does, being part of the 'passenger' that has an irrational fondness for her.
(Of course, this assumes that Coil doesn't push a nuclear button after experiencing a timeline where Apeiron comes to save Tattletale.)
At that point, she's got to decide whether to lay all the relevant cards on the table for Joe. I hope she does, being part of the 'passenger' that has an irrational fondness for her.
(Of course, this assumes that Coil doesn't push a nuclear button after experiencing a timeline where Apeiron comes to save Tattletale.)
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Considering how she misunderstood Joe when he said that she was meant to do something important(being encouraged and saying she knows what she is supposed to do), she's probably going to use it to turn on the undersiders and possibly coil.
Sort of but not really. Yes he can only have 2 timelines running at once, but he gets 'infinite' opportunities to try something. He demonstrates this in canon by flipping a coin and getting heads 8 times in a row. So he can open his power, and flip 2 coins, that gives him a 75% chance to get heads in at least one of them, or he can do what he does in canon, which is, opens 2 timelines, flips a coin in one, while he stalls in the other. Now if he gets tails, he shuts down the timeline and goes to the stalled time timeline. Now he does it again. So he effectively has infinite timelines to get heads as long as no one is forcing him to take action. In high pressure situations he only has 2 choices, in low pressure situations, he has infinite, try in one timeline, stall in the other
This requires that he be able to stall in one of his timelines, of course. The way to beat Coil is to lock him into a sequence where stalling also leads to failure.
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So, with the potential to now make... almost Cybertronium?... "I can't believe it's not Cybertronium!".... Diet Cybertronium...
Whatever.
With Joe's Ability to make Cybertronium, what does that actually... do?
Like depending on the canon involved, it's some sort of mimic metal, right?
Able to take multiple different forms, and change between them. Almost like metal stems cells.
So... what does that actually do?
Whatever.
With Joe's Ability to make Cybertronium, what does that actually... do?
Like depending on the canon involved, it's some sort of mimic metal, right?
Able to take multiple different forms, and change between them. Almost like metal stems cells.
So... what does that actually do?
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Ohhh, Tattletale you unbelievable moron.
No, wait, I can definitely believe it. That just makes it worse. There is no possible reality where Joe takes the revelation of, "I knew our boss kidnapped a little girl to use as his pet Thinker, and I didn't tell you," well.
Joe is one of the most powerful capes in the world. She literally watched him become a fully-fledged demigod right in front of her. Bakuda turned the Undersiders into living art sculptures that would have made Bonesaw clap her hands in delight, and Joe healed them. His cold callous mercenary act is just that, an act; he'd have saved them with no expectation of future payment because it was the right thing to do. Something that'd be painfully obvious for little miss Sherlock.
She had as clear an opportunity to sic Joe on Coil as she will ever have, and didn't take it.
Mark my words, when Joe learns the truth about Dinah, he is going to be extremely earth-shatteringly unreasonably fuck-ass mad.
And no small amount of that fury will be directed at Tattletale.
No, wait, I can definitely believe it. That just makes it worse. There is no possible reality where Joe takes the revelation of, "I knew our boss kidnapped a little girl to use as his pet Thinker, and I didn't tell you," well.
Joe is one of the most powerful capes in the world. She literally watched him become a fully-fledged demigod right in front of her. Bakuda turned the Undersiders into living art sculptures that would have made Bonesaw clap her hands in delight, and Joe healed them. His cold callous mercenary act is just that, an act; he'd have saved them with no expectation of future payment because it was the right thing to do. Something that'd be painfully obvious for little miss Sherlock.
She had as clear an opportunity to sic Joe on Coil as she will ever have, and didn't take it.
Mark my words, when Joe learns the truth about Dinah, he is going to be extremely earth-shatteringly unreasonably fuck-ass mad.
And no small amount of that fury will be directed at Tattletale.
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Are we thinking of the same guy? Because last I checked Joe is an absolute push over when it comes to the undersiders, granted it's because he's been basically heartbroken by his shard to think they're the best thing since sliced bread, but yeah I don't see anything more than a passing argument and a lot of disappointment being thrown their way.
AntaeusTheGiant
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Yeah, the Felyne would have been hilarious, another member of Joe's wonderful crew. Imp and it would have gotten along like two peas in a pod.
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I mean one thing is a mostly harmless attack and other "insults"
the other is covering up kidnapping a little girl ,making her a drug addict and soft mastering her
coil probably wont leave alive
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C: Coil is an interesting resource for fanfic writers. Namely, a character so hated that you can inflict nearly any fate on him no matter how horrific or objectively disgusting on any moral level and your audience will cheer.
It let's him make something closer to actual tinkertech, where some of the materials involved really shouldn't behave the way they do because his power is doing the work in place of the proper materials (Cybertonium in this case).
Keep in mind that Tattletale is rightfully terrified of Coil: Her power will give her things like, "has tortured you to death," "tortures and kills you as a form of stress relief," "is looking forward to torturing you again and getting the information that he thinks you're holding out on him, after which he will kill you," and so on, based on the cues in his voice when he calls her and presses her on one thing or another. And she does use her power on him, because she's trying to figure him out so that she can escape his control. She feels the metaphorical gun against her head whenever they talk, knowing that it's based on both a real gun and the very real prospect of a fate worse than a bullet through the brain.
All of which is going to change the very next time Coil spends a timeline to interrogate her. And then Sarah will have new options to choose from.
All of which is going to change the very next time Coil spends a timeline to interrogate her. And then Sarah will have new options to choose from.
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I think that she is more conditioned to fear Coil, like a complete mental issue of sheer terror constant in the back of her head. It reached the point that isn't something rational to fear. Even if Joe is that bullshit and can save everyone involved, Lisa wasn't going to jump to the wagon like that fears aren't a rational thing and like Joe, she really needs therapy too.