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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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Anaja said:
They want people to notice. They want everyone that was ever influenced by him to have Aisha's, "I should have stabbed him." experience.
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They don't know Cauldron exists. They might have a different idea of what to do if they knew the Illuminati was real.

They have very much tried to stop people making stupid decisions, and Cauldron is the right kind of arrogant to believe they have a chance and do something stupid in desperation. Like, I don't know, trying to kill the Golden God Man?

They will be caught with their pants down, their golden goose laying shit, and they will lash out. The exact reason Joe is avoiding the Butcher, but much worse.
 
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Speaking of Cauldron, there was a WoG that shone some light on their current activities:
Lord on chapter 102 Progress said:
As far as cauldron is concerned, Aperion is the equivalent of the discovery of penicillin in the Petri dish that is the Brockton Bay experiment. Not what they were trying to achieve, but something so much more valuable to them. They have an apparently stable high-power cape able to operate outside the traditional limitations of most parahumans. That's pretty much the silver bullet they were looking for against Scion. Right now they're focused on making sure nothing ruins the current situation and trying to figure out how they can recreate the circumstances that gave them what might well be a 'win button'.

Cauldron leans too heavily on Contessa's power and are not prepared for the possibility of it failing them. Since Joe is spoofing her ability rather than outright blocking it, they fully believe they have the situation under control, despite this very much not being the case. It's the result of overreliance on the path to direct their actions. Anyone who might want to raise a concern is just running into "The path says…" and then gets shut down.
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They're looking into ways to recreate Apeiron and Celestial Forge. Wonder what that will boil over into.
 
Psiidmon said:
Trying to induce vial-based clusters, I suppose?
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So many horrible ways of achieving something like this suddenly entered my mind...

Edit: Actually, does brainwashing or putting the Butcher through simulation induced redemption/mind healing arc can count as dealing with them without triggering 'curse' transfer? 🤔​
 
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So, now that Aisha is immortal to the point of surviving literal vaporisation thanks to the a-temporal restoration of the mantic core in her nanites, is she now more unkillable than Joe? Because from what I recall, while his damage resistance combo means even Sting probably can't hurt him, if he takes off his boots he can still be splattered and not come back from that.
Or is so much of his body now his own craftsmanship that it's covered by the two-day rule?
 
Mr_Rose said:
So, now that Aisha is immortal to the point of surviving literal vaporisation thanks to the a-temporal restoration of the mantic core in her nanites, is she now more unkillable than Joe? Because from what I recall, while his damage resistance combo means even Sting probably can't hurt him, if he takes off his boots he can still be splattered and not come back from that.
Or is so much of his body now his own craftsmanship that it's covered by the two-day rule?
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He still has the candle though
 
Assembler Maniac said:
No, I don't think it is.
Not sure what would be appropriate to go into it from HTTG anyway.
- Heart of Gold? Bistromath?
- Marvin as an Assistant
- Trillian as an Assistant
- The Guide itself, although esoteric and unfortunately brief in some instances, could be interesting
- Deep Thought AI Assistant, maybe stuffed into a helpfully smaller form since it was rather huge, although the only answer you'd get from it is '42'
- pair of mice, maybe
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Don't forget a towel! Every traveler needs one. The Infinite Improbability Drive would be a nice one.
 
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Slentoru said:
Speaking of Cauldron, there was a WoG that shone some light on their current activities:


They're looking into ways to recreate Apeiron and Celestial Forge. Wonder what that will boil over into.
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Psiidmon said:
Trying to induce vial-based clusters, I suppose? Because they work under the assumption that vial capes are more stable?
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Andre Chaos said:
So many horrible ways of achieving something like this suddenly entered my mind...
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As I understand it they've already done it once with Noelle and Oliver; with intention and care they can probably make some decent and relatively safe Clusters.
 
Anomalous Object said:
As I understand it they've already done it once with Noelle and Oliver; with intention and care they can probably make some decent and relatively safe Clusters.
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The trouble there is they don't know they've done it. The Travellers are a Simurgh Plot, remember; that means the Path won't work reliably for finding out how they came to be since it indirectly involves a blind spot. That they used stolen vials doesn't help either.
The Path also can't reliably provide a route to getting another Forge because between OCP and Joe's own precog-diverters, it can't tell anything about him either.
They would have to first decide to go back to pure experimentation, and second hit on the idea of splitting vials to make clusters all on their own.
 
Anomalous Object said:
As I understand it they've already done it once with Noelle and Oliver; with intention and care they can probably make some decent and relatively safe Clusters.
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They aren't really a cluster. Cluster capes happen when multiple triggers happen within a short window and basically each shard diverts some of it's resources to minorly connect with the other capes giving them all a minor power.

Rain's cluster for example had him able to produce blades that caused lines that things split along if something else hit them as his power, an area where doubt and self criticism are intensified, a tinker power based on making hands that could be mentally controlled and the ability to kill his momentum and momentarily stay in place which also came with enhanced balance. Love Lost had a power making her tinkertech claws sharper, a scream boosted by tinkertech that sends people into berserker like rages as hers, a tinker power to make gear that enhances her powers and enhanced speed along with the ability to run on walls. Cradle had the ability to channel cutting force along points on a surface, senses emotional weakpoints, a limb focused tinker power that can create drones and power boosting equipment as his own and enhanced spatial awareness and proprioception. Finally Snag could easily break through inorganic objects, charge objects with negative emotions that can be injected into people, a tinker power focused on boosting his arms and as his power he could reorient his personal gravity which let him ape flight.

They also experience cluster bleed where bits of their personalities influence each other, a cluster specific gimmick and the kiss/kill dynamic where they will be inclined towards intensely hating or loving each other to the point of even overriding normal sexual orientation. Fletchette's cluster for example gives away the bits of their personality they don't like about themselves, Goddess's one cycled so each member would have 1 day when their powers were their powers were really strong then 5 when they were weak and Rain's had a dream room they fell into every night where they would all see their trigger event from whoever's turn it was pov and they would all have tokens that strengthened their own power with whoever's turn it was getting extra which could be traded around with each token also carrying bleed making them more like the person they accepted the token from.

Noelle and Oliver aren't like that at all and even drank their halves of the vial with a fair gap between them.
 
Mr_Rose said:
So, now that Aisha is immortal to the point of surviving literal vaporisation thanks to the a-temporal restoration of the mantic core in her nanites, is she now more unkillable than Joe? Because from what I recall, while his damage resistance combo means even Sting probably can't hurt him, if he takes off his boots he can still be splattered and not come back from that.
Or is so much of his body now his own craftsmanship that it's covered by the two-day rule?
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Well Joe can actually restore himself through his nanites as long as his heart is still okay. The heart that is empowered to the level of a MAJOR ENCHANTED item from Tolkien's setting, made with dragon bonesteel, and more. A heart that has so much going into it that it took Tetra becoming a Kamui to equal it.

And even then, Joe is a life fiber hybrid, has Cybertronium metal based cells replacing dead ones, and more. His current one is well above anything most people could consider. And to make it worse, it is beyond three days old I think by this time...

Also, I think Joe was also upgrading his own nanites at times as well. Along with Matrix's as well.
 
dragon_cloud16 said:
Well Joe can actually restore himself through his nanites as long as his heart is still okay. The heart that is empowered to the level of a MAJOR ENCHANTED item from Tolkien's setting, made with dragon bonesteel, and more. A heart that has so much going into it that it took Tetra becoming a Kamui to equal it.

And even then, Joe is a life fiber hybrid, has Cybertronium metal based cells replacing dead ones, and more. His current one is well above anything most people could consider. And to make it worse, it is beyond three days old I think by this time...

Also, I think Joe was also upgrading his own nanites at times as well. Along with Matrix's as well.
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Dragon Bonesteel? Man by now that shit's weak-sauce.
 
question if Aisha used her power to erase the knowledge of the people that made up the butcher hive mind would it wipe the hard drive clean and let anyone cleanly take the power for themselves?
 
Slentoru said:
Speaking of Cauldron, there was a WoG that shone some light on their current activities:


They're looking into ways to recreate Apeiron and Celestial Forge. Wonder what that will boil over into.
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Honestly, I don't know why they haven't contacted him at this point.

Yes, they don't know his true nature, they think he's a mercenary but still: getting your world blown up is a pretty darn good motivator even for the amoral or evil types.

The sole excuse would be fearing precognition from the Simurgh maybe, but that is a threat that always hovers over them anyway.
 
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HandleWithCare said:
Honestly, I don't know why they haven't contacted him at this point.

Yes, they don't know his true nature, they think he's a mercenary but still: getting your world blown up is a pretty darn good motivator even for the admiral or evil types.

The sole excuse would be fearing precognition from the Simurgh maybe, but that is a threat that always hovers over them anyway.
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Pretty sure wog is they are planning their approach, keep in mind that its been... only about a week in universe if im remembering correctly, and hes been precoged to be reactive only, so theres no reason to rush to contact him.
 
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