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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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I've been greatly enjoying every chapter, it sounds like some people would have more fun if they waited a few months and binged a bunch of chapters at once, though.
 
Clotho said:
Thanks for the chapter.
I wonder how much are PJO gods getting drunk, or powered up due to libation.

I can just imagine Apollo going I leveled up and suddenly scientists had a major breakthrough in a cure for some incurable disease. Or other such shenanigans occurring on their Earth.
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I know it can't happen because of timing and parellel lives, etc. but I think it would be really funny if this happened at the start of Trials of Apollo. Zeus just pops Apollo in an alley, Joe gives him wine with enough divine power for him to instantly become a god again, and the entire story derails. Also, it's worth remembering every time Joe has to get one of them drunk he has to perform a Skyrim crafting loop of getting Dionysus' blessing first, which means he gets alcohol whenever anyone else does.
Blackdart6 said:
Ya we have seen atleast once when it deployed itself to protect her from an explosion despite being in amulet mode and happening to fast to react.
Turns out that embedding the concept of 'protect aisha ' in armor makes for a defensive reaction time of yes
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Since Joe has Nasuverse tech, reaction time might be in the negatives. At least 1 armor from there deploys before you call for it.
 
Subrosian_Smithy said:
Maybe Bonesaw is a victim, but Joe also literally can't afford to worry about that with all of the PR goals he's juggling right now.
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Leaving aside the other very valid points you and others have made, I take issue with this. There is literally no danger to his pr in capture and detention of bone saw. I forget how big the inside of joes workshop is by now but there is AMPLE space for containment until rehabilitation.

No one has to know. Just say that smoking crater #7 is her.

And in the case of successful rehabilitation joe can literally give her a new look and nobody would be the wiser
 
Kurohime said:
Leaving aside the other very valid points you and others have made, I take issue with this. There is literally no danger to his pr in capture and detention of bone saw. I forget how big the inside of joes workshop is by now but there is AMPLE space for containment until rehabilitation.

No one has to know. Just say that smoking crater #7 is her.

And in the case of successful rehabilitation joe can literally give her a new look and nobody would be the wiser
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The problem is that iirc, there a WOG saying Joe gonna nuke the S9 with no remorse because to him, they are a group of murder-hobo ravaging the country and he had to live with that fact.

Same reason why he's really scared of the sky bird compared to us reader which is just a setpiece of a webnovel.
 
Joe doesn't have time to rehabilitate another psycho child with everything else on his plate, and Bonesaw isn't a part of his power like Alma was, so he feels no bonds of obligation toward her. If Bonesaw is going to be redeemed, it will only be because he put her on ice to wait for a better time and circumstance.

And there's no difference to Joe between sufficiently advanced spiritual containment and physical incarceration.

Joe could build a cage or physical stasis pod for Bonesaw, secure in the knowledge that his prisoner wouldn't escape or be treated inhumanely, but he can also build bespoke spirit realms and storage buffers inside his computer core, so it would be easier just to kill her and hoover up her soul with the rest of the S9.
 
I have a question. Will the nanites let the users grow until their physical/mental/spiritual peak? Or are they damned to eternal teenagedom? Because immortality or not, looking eternally underage would fucking suck.
 
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Dragna said:
I have a question. Will the nanites let the users grow until their physical/mental/spiritual peak? Or are they damned to eternal teenagedom? Because immortality or not, looking eternally underage would fucking suck.
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Pretty sure the nanites will only stop aging when it gets to a point where aging becomes detrimental to the being, so basically Aisha will get to grow up to be a woman instead of being stuck as is.

She's already well above her peers in terms of emotional development, from having spent years in a virtual environment interacting with other members of the forge, and seems to now have a genius level mind to boot.

She'll be fine.
 
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Dragna said:
I have a question. Will the nanites let the users grow until their physical/mental/spiritual peak? Or are they damned to eternal teenagedom? Because immortality or not, looking eternally underage would fucking suck.
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Depending on how they look they may not look underage. My sister looks basically exactly the same as she did when she was 13 and now she's 26. I look basically exactly the same as I did when I was 15 and I'm in my mid twenties now. Aisha probably looks especially mature for her age and is just about definitely at her max height. So if she just stopped physically changing it's entirely possible she could get away with being a youthful looking adult.
 
LordRoustabout said:
"Could you do it for everyone else?" Aisha asked.

I blinked. "Do what required a personal planet, Passenger Space armada, and unprecedented memory powers amplified by impossible colors and apply it for every parahuman on the planet?"
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Why??? Once Jack is dead the comm shard stops mind fucking people. No more host no more focus. This seems completely pointless.
 
I kind of hope Joe just nukes all the the S9 but then (for reasons) Bonesaw's spirit pops up in his Workshop.

Come on! Continue the running gag!

Aisha was a troubled young teen, followed Joe home, and is now living the life of a young adult protagonist in a fantasy series.

Tetra was an alien life form, was deposited into Joe's home, was augmented and educated, and is now a successful teen model.

Alma was the spirit of a traumatized young woman, followed Joe home, and is gradually being rehabilitated via jewelry, teddy bears, and tea parties.

Riley could be the next vulnerable young woman to be lured to the home of the weird loner guy only to be exposed to unexpected.... 🫢

Maybe Joe should start associating with more adults?

Here's hoping that the entire drunk Greek pantheon 'helping' during his coffee date with Crystal doesn't result in too terrible of a result 🤳

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Joe: So how do you feel about kids?
Crystal: I guess I'd like to have two or three someday. Why?
Joe: I'm currently responsible for six kids, a cousin, and a race of aliens. Any of that a deal breaker?
Crystal: ...What?
Joe: Hold on. Getting a text from my...lawyer. Make that seven kids. Eight? Nine!? I need to go! I had a great time! Bye!
Crystal: Bye.
Crystal: ....
Crystal: Still was the best date I've had in months.
 
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The entire argument about 'sparing' Bonesaw is absolutely pointless. There is literally no reason why mercy should be given to the S9 as an Earth Bet native. They are pests and rabid animals that don't even deserve a clean death.

I have thought about posting an acerbic reply to all that endorse saving scum from their due punishment but it would probably violate SV rules so I won't post the small essay I made on Notepad lol.
 
Spacewalker said:
Can someone explain how this is supposed to work?

I can understand Aisha evading an attack by retreating into her Workshop.

Also, her armor is supposed to be the outer shell of her Workshop space. So effectively an inner layer of her armor may have been created where anything that penetrated the outer layer of the armor would still need to cross an expansion charmed interplanetary space to reach Aisha. I can see how that would keep her safe.

However, Joe seems to say that simple possession of the amulet is enough to protect her. I don't see how that is supposed to happen when no mechanic has been given on how all that space that will put Aisha beyond parahuman reach can manifest with her outside her Workshop and without her armor deployed.
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Shadow Archon said:
Don't think of the amulet as a strictly passive defense. If an attack is headed towards her with the amulet on, it probably just redirects the effect to the edge of the interior pocket dimension.

In order to kill Aisha, you have to actively blow up the planet in her amulet from past a lunar orbit to destroy the amulet's defensive system redirecting all attacks, both mental and physical, to inside of it.
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Blackdart6 said:
Ya we have seen atleast once when it deployed itself to protect her from an explosion despite being in amulet mode and happening to fast to react.
Turns out that embedding the concept of 'protect aisha ' in armor makes for a defensive reaction time of yes
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Slentoru said:
The mention of Weld gave me the impression that amulet now uses the same mechanic that protects Weld (And Survey, Fleet and The Matrix), only instead of cheating Organic/Inorganic Manton Limit, it cheats the limit of distance. Like Weld is made of inorganic mater, but powers consider him organic when it benefits him, the same way Aisha might be close, but for powers she is a planet away if it benefits her.

Also, all that space does manifests with Aisha outside her Workshop and without armour deployed. It's in the gem. Aisha wearing all that space. As far as Shards (and probably anything harmful) are concerned, that little amulet is a planet and whoever wears it is always on the other side of it.
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Something something Superpositions? Where instead of hardening in response to physical trauma they retroactively always have been there in response to would-have-been harm.
Kurohime said:
Hmmm. Is he planning to kill bonesaw? It leaves a filthy rotten taste in my mouth to see her killed considering both joes capabilities and more importantly her circumstances. Bonesaw isn't evil, she's a broken person trapped in the mind of a little girl constantly being emotionally manipulated by a monster both normally and via his power.

We've already seen Joe smack a reboot button on broken minds like Alec. And even if there's a risk that it breaks Riley's mental completely in a permanent way ( which I doubt considering the sheer bullshit of the forge), then taking that chance is still better than killing her outright.
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Zaydrache said:
So Joe has no real reason to think Bonesaw is anything other than a monster. He doesn't know she is just a broken little girl. As far as he knows she is a willing member of the group. This is why I originally asked about if he breaks Jack's power early or not as this would possibly show him that she is not irredeemable.
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Slentoru said:
Worth noting that it is less "killing" and more "putting them at the end of the very long list". He's planing to jar S9's souls and decide on their second chances only after he helped their victims and dealt with most problems in the world. Effectively they will be helped, eventually, but not before helping the rest of the world.

Joe doesn't really care if they redeemable or not (He knows all circumstances behind Burnscar and Mannequin and still planing to deal with them along with the rest of S9). He just believes that their victims and rest of the world deserves to get help before them, so just going to slap them hard enough to store their souls and then deal with them after he helped everyone else.
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Iridesce said:
I think that one of the important things here is that he's going to determine if they need help eventually. From his perspective these people are all horrible monsters that would improve the world via dying. He's still going to see if he can help them. Just not now. That's how you know Joe is a Paragon. He very neatly fits into the idea of Superman being the good guy being the subversion, and that evil Superman is what would normally happen. He shows how easy it would be to go mad with power, to not care about collateral damage, to lose his humanity. But he doesn't, his core conflict isn't self vs world.

His core conflict his self vs self, it's overcoming his own flaws so that he doesn't get corrupted or broken by his power. The ultimate victory won't be in saving the world or defeating Scion. The ultimate victory will be overcoming himself so that he can be the hero the world needs, if not necessarily what the world would want or deserves. Him defeating Scion is already decided, the question is if he can do so without destroying himself or everything around him in the process.
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Subrosian_Smithy said:
Maybe Bonesaw is a victim, but Joe also literally can't afford to worry about that with all of the PR goals he's juggling right now.

The Forge can't be seen to act unilaterally without spooking every nation and parahuman agency on the planet, so they're using the S9 as a plausibly deniable excuse for action. As soon as the S9 show up outside of Brockton Bay, Joe is going to put on his scary mercenary Tinker face, stomp them into oblivion, and then run around doing good things - like fixing cities ruined by the S9 - while spinning his actions as an act of spite against the idiots who attacked his city.

That play-acting doesn't really work if Joe also takes on one of the most horrific serial killers in the entire S9 and leaves her alive, so for the immediate sake of all her victims - everyone she's mutilated who Joe could heal - she has to be clearly seen to die.

That death doesn't have to be the end. Joe has hardcore soul-manipulating technology, and he knows that passengers store the souls of their hosts, so he's more likely than not going to keep the S9 permanently off the board, either by personally sealing their souls away in his Workshop or by caging them in Shardspace. Joe is personally averse to acting as a theological god or an extrajudicial authority, so he's unlikely to break out any retributive punishments for his prisoners.

At that point, what does it matter if Riley needs help, or if breaking Jack's master/stranger power gives Bonesaw a change of heart? She doesn't have any surviving immediate family, and her extended family is unlikely to want a relationship with her, so she has no social connections to anyone in the outside world. There's no harm that can be done by just killing her and putting her soul on ice to deal with later.
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famfrit said:
Shardspace is 1 realm with representations of the shards from all 3 entities with even the shards Eden got from Abaddon like Contessa's being in it.



Joe doesn't just want to kill Jack he wants to tear down his legacy of horror which is why he's going to reveal that Jack's basically been playing on god mode and so he really isn't skilled or special he just had an I win power carrying him. Ironically other than using the colours to delete knowledge of him this is the worst thing he could do to Jacob whose whole motivation is to be infamous hence naming himself after Jack the Ripper.



Yes because Joe isn't an si he's someone who grew up on Bet and has researched the nine so he's intimately familiar with the publicly known atrocities and horrors that are her fault. Due to all his perks death is also more of a time out since he will be grabbing her soul and can resurrect her later if he wants.
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Kurohime said:
Leaving aside the other very valid points you and others have made, I take issue with this. There is literally no danger to his pr in capture and detention of bone saw. I forget how big the inside of joes workshop is by now but there is AMPLE space for containment until rehabilitation.

No one has to know. Just say that smoking crater #7 is her.

And in the case of successful rehabilitation joe can literally give her a new look and nobody would be the wiser
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Althero said:
The problem is that iirc, there a WOG saying Joe gonna nuke the S9 with no remorse because to him, they are a group of murder-hobo ravaging the country and he had to live with that fact.

Same reason why he's really scared of the sky bird compared to us reader which is just a setpiece of a webnovel.
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Subrosian_Smithy said:
Joe doesn't have time to rehabilitate another psycho child with everything else on his plate, and Bonesaw isn't a part of his power like Alma was, so he feels no bonds of obligation toward her. If Bonesaw is going to be redeemed, it will only be because he put her on ice to wait for a better time and circumstance.

And there's no difference to Joe between sufficiently advanced spiritual containment and physical incarceration.

Joe could build a cage or physical stasis pod for Bonesaw, secure in the knowledge that his prisoner wouldn't escape or be treated inhumanely, but he can also build bespoke spirit realms and storage buffers inside his computer core, so it would be easier just to kill her and hoover up her soul with the rest of the S9.
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Vanta said:
The entire argument about 'sparing' Bonesaw is absolutely pointless. There is literally no reason why mercy should be given to the S9 as an Earth Bet native. They are pests and rabid animals that don't even deserve a clean death.

I have thought about posting an acerbic reply to all that endorse saving scum from their due punishment but it would probably violate SV rules so I won't post the small essay I made on Notepad lol.
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I understand that you all want to make people responsible for atrocities and then punish them for those atrocities but there's something that you're not comprehending here; as a Earth Bet native Joe can possess a sense of mercy as long as it is rooted in spite and vindictiveness and since the state of most of the rest of the Slaughterhouse are his accomplishments that means that Joe is liable to have mercy upon them purely to hurt his target.
 
Vanta said:
The entire argument about 'sparing' Bonesaw is absolutely pointless. There is literally no reason why mercy should be given to the S9 as an Earth Bet native. They are pests and rabid animals that don't even deserve a clean death.
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This isn't quite related to the exact argument, but I'd argue that a clean death is the absolute minimum any living creature deserves.

For a guy with soul manipulating powers, removing them from their mortal coils and putting them on a shelf somewhere seems like a reasonable intermediate step to take, honestly.
What happens to them after that seems more like epilogue territory.
 
Vanta said:
Like what they did to all of their victims? lol, lmao even.

I say turnabout is always fair play.
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Why give them your time and effort and attention and suffer any psychological impacts that doing horrible things to anybody would cause?
Better to end their ability to commit atrocities through whichever means, fix anything that can still be fixed, and then let them fade ignobly into the past.

Pretty much Joe's approach honestly, get rid of them, get rid of their impact on the world and end their legacy, then go do something more important.
 
Kenshkrix said:
This isn't quite related to the exact argument, but I'd argue that a clean death is the absolute minimum any living creature deserves.

For a guy with soul manipulating powers, removing them from their mortal coils and putting them on a shelf somewhere seems like a reasonable intermediate step to take, honestly.
What happens to them after that seems more like epilogue territory.
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Vanta said:
Like what they did to all of their victims? lol, lmao even.

I say turnabout is always fair play.
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Being more focused on being fair then being humane is horrifying; please refrain from making such horrifying comments in public threads.
Kenshkrix said:
Why give them your time and effort and attention and suffer any psychological impacts that doing horrible things to anybody would cause?
Better to end their ability to commit atrocities through whichever means, fix anything that can still be fixed, and then let them fade ignobly into the past.

Pretty much Joe's approach honestly, get rid of them, get rid of their impact on the world and end their legacy, then go do something more important.
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It is also horrifying that one must resort to convincing others that others aren't worth engaging with for the mere hope that they won't wish to harm them. Jesus actual Christ...
 
...I have a feeling Cauldron is going to notice someone effectively gagging Broadcast if they do do that. Speaking of which, wouldn't it be infinitely easier just to kill Jacks passenger than to insulate every other passenger from its influence?
 
Red_Faux said:
...I have a feeling Cauldron is going to notice someone effectively gagging Broadcast if they do do that. Speaking of which, wouldn't it be infinitely easier just to kill Jacks passenger than to insulate every other passenger from its influence?
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Removing Broadcast's master ability from play and it being noticed would really depend on how often Cauldron doublechecks their plans to save the world.

In story, the CF is 24 hours from ganking the S9 at most. Depending on when exactly Joe would create his Broadcast blocker and how often Contessa checks to see if she needs to change plans, she might twig onto PtV no longer being blocked. If she goes 'Plan to delay Scion' and it immediately returns kill Jack Slash, she might be wondering what exactly changed.

Although it does create a wonderful omake idea. The CF, hidden behind their anti-Thinker protections, start killing the S9. Halfway through, contessa portals into carry out her kill S9 plan only to find she's late to the party. Maybe she gets blindsided and caught as collateral damage. Anyways, that is how the CF learn about Cauldron.
 
Red_Faux said:
...I have a feeling Cauldron is going to notice someone effectively gagging Broadcast if they do do that.
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I mean by definition they probably won't be capable of remaining ignorant given that they had opinions of Jacob in the past that were influenced by his Shard.
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Speaking of which, wouldn't it be infinitely easier just to kill Jacks passenger than to insulate every other passenger from its influence?
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Probably not; that would probably prompt a response from the Shard Network itself.
 
SoulShdw said:
I... don't understand why they're bothering to try and disable Jack's influence on every shard when he's only a day out, and thus a day from death. Seems like a waste of time since they really don't need to do it to deal with him.

Granted I kind of just breeze workshop chapters, but at least we're going outside again.
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Because Jack being dead does nothing to stop Broadcast from acting. We know from Ward that it is technically possible to revive a parahuman. Other than influencing parahumans to conflict with the Celestial Forge Broadcast might influence things so that a parahuman (or group of them) capable of parahuman revival do a test with a sample that happens to be Jack.
 
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