I'm surprised Joe wasn't given a Free perk where he gives out amazing motivational speeches that are enough to motivate anyone to fight a god but maybe he could get it in the future.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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You know, that is true. But he should have enough perks to be able to pull it off now along with having a volcano erupt as he doing so while piloting a giant robot.
Joe becomes Bob the Builder. Can we do it? Yes we can!
Been MIA for a while, not gonna go into the intervening chapters in detail atm.
Long story short:
* Joe's meeting with Uppercrust was great, as was Joe (and Tetra's) meeting with Dauntless.
And the phone call with Alec.
And the whole New Wave families' dynamic.
* Victor picks up practical Alchemy (and no clue regarding the rules) - Oh shiii~
'A forum for various capes working on a thing (implied to be Alchemy)' - Oh SHI~!
* Damsel's... ambitious.
* ... I really really didn't see the event (well, technically the after-event) going the way it did, re Sabah.
Thanks for the story, thus far.
And again.
And again.
Tetra really is so lovely.
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Long story short:
* Joe's meeting with Uppercrust was great, as was Joe (and Tetra's) meeting with Dauntless.
And the phone call with Alec.
And the whole New Wave families' dynamic.
* Victor picks up practical Alchemy (and no clue regarding the rules) - Oh shiii~
'A forum for various capes working on a thing (implied to be Alchemy)' - Oh SHI~!
* Damsel's... ambitious.
* ... I really really didn't see the event (well, technically the after-event) going the way it did, re Sabah.
Thanks for the story, thus far.
And again.
And again.
And again.
Tetra really is so lovely.
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pre-recorded?
Parian
Jozef?
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Actually, I just had a thought. How big would the world's reaction be to discover that Aperion had someone to help inspire him with fully support by a therapist?
Who happened to be this guy and his giant robot...
Who happened to be this guy and his giant robot...
Actually, I just had a thought. How big would the world's reaction be to discover that Aperion had someone to help inspire him with fully support by a therapist?
Who happened to be this guy and his giant robot...
Shirou Emiya: "People die if they are killed..."
Kamina: "A true man doesn't die even if he's killed!!!"
Edit: Ichigo: "You know …You talk too much."
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I want to expand my thoughts more on Singularity
If Joe theoretically achieves Singularity, I have a feeling that Reality itself will try to fix the damage by replacing all the missing Joe's with a new person
So rather than Joe, it might be Jeff in other dimensions with the caveat that Jeff isn't connected to Joe at all, different person but has the same role I think
This also made me realize that Singularity pretty much makes Coil's power utterly useless in the Dimension where Joe is.
If Joe theoretically achieves Singularity, I have a feeling that Reality itself will try to fix the damage by replacing all the missing Joe's with a new person
So rather than Joe, it might be Jeff in other dimensions with the caveat that Jeff isn't connected to Joe at all, different person but has the same role I think
This also made me realize that Singularity pretty much makes Coil's power utterly useless in the Dimension where Joe is.
Not really. Coil's actual power is simulating two different time lines with the one Calvert was keeping being the one that he was in.
His Passenger already knows which route he would take due to bs calculations and Shard communications, so it gives him data of a very highly likely alternative path. So Singularity would not matter in this case because the one Joe that is important is still there.
Hell, the protection against Contessa and the Simurgh actually lists Coil as someone that it does not protect against at all because of the nature of his power. To bad for Coil that Joe made Mystic Codes and other defenses to cover for that!
That's not how Joe thinks Coil's power works in this fic:
So it's plausible that Singularity would mean Joe can only be present in one of the two superposed timelines at any given moment. Depending on the details, that might either make the dropped timeline misleadingly Joe-free every time or force the choice of timeline outside of Coil's control.
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...proceeds to give example showing that is exactly how Joe thinks Coil's power works
...proceeds to give example showing that is exactly how Joe thinks Coil's power works
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This is how Singularity is describe in Gurren Lagann
I don't think it would work still
This is how Singularity is describe in Gurren Lagann
- Singularity: Upon integrating the Multiverse to his body, he also merged with every possible version of himself; past and future versions, alternate versions, along with the past and future of those alternatives, having all of their experiences and knowledge. There is only one Simon in the entire Multiverse, meaning he can't be seen in the past or future, and there is no alternative outcome for him, as he now chooses the path he wants to walk down. This inturn makes him completely invulnerable to the Multiverse Labyrinth, which sends his consciousness drifting to other universes, which is now impossible, since there is no other body for his consciousness to transfer to.
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Simon
Simon (シモン, Shimon?) (pronounced like "Simone" or "sea-moan" in English, and "Shimon" in Japanese), also known as Simon The Digger (穴掘りシモン, Anahori Shimon?), is the main protagonist of the anime and manga series, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. He begins the story as a short, unassuming and lonely...
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This is more Theoretical, I'm not expecting Joe to achieve it unless its the end or something
The Duplicate Diary (Shadow Archon)
Shadow Archon
Protoss Preserver
- Location
- Louisiana
The Duplicate Diary
"Well, that was a thing." Aisha muttered as she stepped into the workshop. "I wonder what that was all about." She stretched her arms out until her joints made a very relieving pop. "Eh whatever, I'm sure Survey and Tetra can handle it."
She had about thirty minutes to burn before heading home now that the Garment extravaganza was all done. Sure, it was fun and snazzy, but also really exhausting. She was way better with people than Joe was, but even her social batteries were reaching critical levels of ugh.
But thirty minutes outside in Brockton Bay now meant five hours inside the workshop. That was certainly a head trip to think about. And definitely something she planned to abuse maliciously. All she needed to have a full eight hours of sleep now was forty-eight minutes. This was truly the best part of Joe's powers so far!
…Okay, his tea was better than this, but only by a bit!
Well, before she took a nap, there was always time to check in with Joe's duplicates. 'Should I call them Joe #2 and #3 or B and C? I'll figure something out. Oh, one of the Joes is hooked up to the super computer, neat.' "Hey Survey?"
"Yes, Aisha?"
"Is Joe numero dos doing anything related to that thing I'm not supposed to know about?"
"If you are referring to the Duplicate currently connecting to the Spiritron Computer...Yes."
"Gotcha. What about Joe C? Is he doing anything I can take a peep at?"
"Joe… C." There was a pause. "The other duplicate is currently spending their allotted twenty percent time early. Both of them wish to keep constant oversight on the confidential project, and thus are staggering their recreational time. They decided over who would go first over rock-paper-scissors. Joe C lost."
AIsha smiled at that last remark. "Oh sweet, so he's doing some crazy fun stuff right now!"
"No."
Aisha blinked. "What?"
"Currently he's in the process of reviewing the Duplicate Diary for inspiration."
"The what now?"
"The Duplicate Diary, or Journal as they prefer, is the catalog in which I have documented all Duplicate projects in. This is necessary as the Duplicates in the past preferred to surprise Joe with their additions to the workshop, but also must be informed of what their previous iterations have done so as to not repeat past projects. While its purpose of secret documentation and record keeping has been mostly antiquated after Joe received the perk designated Central Control, it still serves as an organized document for what projects Duplicates undertake and has even inspired a few projects from Matrix as well. Considering this is the first "twenty percent time" done so with the benefits of temporal controls, they have much more time allotted for independent projects."
"Huh. Can I look at this diary, or is there stuff 'I don't want to know' on there?"
Immediately, Survey replied. "There is no information considered "Joe's eyes only" in the diary. Would you like me to send you a copy to your Omnitool?"
Aisha shook her head. "Nah, thanks Survey. I think I'll read along with Joe C. Where's he at?"
A few moments and a portal later, Aisha found a very constipated looking Joe-Clone scrolling through a file on his wrist mounted supercomputer.
"Uh, hey. You know if you need a bathroom, I'm pretty sure you could just make one in like five seconds. Maybe ten if you wanted to throw in a sewage treatment plant."
Joe C laughed slightly. "No, I don't think the workshop needs more toilets." His face took a more thoughtful look. "You'd be surprised how many previous duplicates have made…"
"Wait, really?"
For the conversation at hand, he had a very appropriate looking grin on his face. "There's over a dozen golden toilets hidden around the workshop now. Joe-Prime hasn't found a single one yet." He frowned petulantly before grumbling. "Well, not before Central Control at least. Way to ruin the fun powers."
"Wow, really?"
"Really."
"Huh. So that's the "Everything a Duplicates made ever" document?"
"Oh, Survey filled you in." His look of constipation returned. "Yup. Everything I think of to make for fun, because I can, or because I think it's neat? It's been done already. The top ten things I'd want to make for fun? Already done." He pointed in a random direction. "Two-hundred miles that way? There's an entire life-sized lego mockup of Brockton Bay, with each lego brick made out of adamantium. Suffice to say,the Celestial Forge has a lifetime supply of adamantium caltrops."
Joe C laughed at the horrified look on Aisha's face. "Adamantium… legos?"
"Well, Legos with the strength and durability of Adamantium, but the pliability of plastic. But yeah, don't walk around it without your power armor please!" He pointed in another direction. "About five hundred miles that way, there's a one to one mockup of Sphere's Moonbase. Well, this one's finished of course. Then on the complete opposite side of the Kerbals, there's the Enterprise made out of exclusively Star Wars tech, the Star Destroyer made out of exclusively Star Trek tech, and then the addition so they can mecha shift into each other."
Joe C started listing things on his fingers. "There's the medieval-themed airbase, the cyberpunk jousting arena, the opposite-carrier, the redwood Christmas tree park, the museum of wax parahumans, a recreation of the ancient seven wonders made out of cheese, and after that things just get really silly."
Aisha just sat there and blinked. "And I thought the mecha basketball court was the biggest thing you guys made."
"Please Aisha, that project is over three days old."
Both of them started snickering. A growling stomach interrupted the laughter.
"Oh, are you hungry?"
Aisha put a hand on her belly. "Yeah. I didn't eat dinner yet because of how busy things were. Got too caught up in the flow of the event and all. Too bad there's not a fast food place here, huh?"
A glimmer of an idea blazed in Joe C's eyes. "Give me ten minutes."
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"Welcome to Boundless Burgers! May I take your order?" A Survey asked while dressed in a vintage but immaculate fast food uniform.
Aisha just stood there gob smacked and slowly looked at Joe C.
"Hey, it won't be as good as me in the kitchen, but it's the next best thing!" He cracked his knuckles. "You enjoy your dinner, I need to spread a franchise or five across a Texas sized land mass. I'm thinking "A Cup of Joe" for coffee, "Three Day Tacos" for Mexican, "Papa Aperion's Pizzeria" for pizza… Oh yeah. It's all coming together."
Aisha's eyes just followed him on the way out, before she turned back to the Survey behind the cash register-less counter. "Uh, you okay working here?"
"Don't worry Aisha, this is merely an autonomous drone much like Delphine is. And when people do partake in Aperion-grade fast food here, I'll be in the perfect position to observe and document!"
Aisha sighed. "I figured." She looked up at the impossibly beautifully crafted menu for a few seconds. "Uh… Can I get a number one with large fries and an," She paused and looked at the menu closer. "Aegis slash shake?"
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I'm rereading some parts of this story and i have to mention something that doesn't make any sense at all. Coil and the Undersiders actions, yeah I know that using his power Coil found out that Joe was "afraid" of him, in truth what we saw was Joe realizing he was fucked because of his thinker power warning him how dangerous was Coil when Joe was starting and comparatively weak. Yeah he was a "coward" and ran away at the first sign of Coil's mercenaries. But, BUT everybody in the world have seen Joe go from an interesting tinker to Endbringer or "S class" level of power.
If Coi tried to attack Joe again in his power simulations he wouldn't get any new information because of anti divination powers and technology deployed by Joe. Coil is supposed to be smart and have access to classified PRT information. So how come he thinks he can control or defeat Joe in any manner? Everybody saw Joe fight against the ABB and nobody is deluded to think Joe is weak anymore. And the Undersiders continue to follow a mysterious boss without any reason. They have some support from Joe, they don't need to be under anybody else command except what they owe to Joe and that by itself is a protection from any other faction including Coil's. Tattletale shouldn't have to fear Coil anymore. What can Coil do to her if she has Joe's protection? Nothing. And that is something that should be clear to Tattletale and Coil.
If Coi tried to attack Joe again in his power simulations he wouldn't get any new information because of anti divination powers and technology deployed by Joe. Coil is supposed to be smart and have access to classified PRT information. So how come he thinks he can control or defeat Joe in any manner? Everybody saw Joe fight against the ABB and nobody is deluded to think Joe is weak anymore. And the Undersiders continue to follow a mysterious boss without any reason. They have some support from Joe, they don't need to be under anybody else command except what they owe to Joe and that by itself is a protection from any other faction including Coil's. Tattletale shouldn't have to fear Coil anymore. What can Coil do to her if she has Joe's protection? Nothing. And that is something that should be clear to Tattletale and Coil.
You bring up some good points and if these were logical, SOUND OF MIND people I would agree.
The thing here is that both Coil/Calvert and Tattletale are not sound of mind. They are damaged in their own ways. Lisa/Tattletale literally has issues where she has to show her intelligence while also looking for that one fault in others to prove that there is no such thing as a person that would honestly help her for no real reason.
Coil on the other hand is a megalomaniac. He takes the idea of Joe running from his mercs as sign that he is terrified of him. That Joe believes that he, Apeiron himself, cannot beat Coil and his power. Combine that with the false idea of using the Undersiders to create a link to him so that a Contract can be made to support his own goals is something that Coil is going to aim for at some point most likely.
Coil believes that his endgame of controlling Brockton Bay on both sides would support Apeiron's/Joe's wish for peace and stability. So making a contract to each such a thing would work in Coil's mind. And here's the thing, he does believe that Joe, while being a Mad Tinker, is forced to follow every contract he makes with others.
We know he doesn't need to at all. Although it doesn't help that Joe is acting reactively to throw off the Simurgh right now and knows that idea will end when he kills the Slaughterhouse 9. It is going to be that moment that pants would be needing to be replaced because it would be the first public act of the Celestial Forge responding to a threat that violates every Thinker's idea of what he would do.
Yeah I know those are the reasons for their actions but it just seems stupid and like a plot hole to me. Its like they are pretending
Yeah I know those are the reasons for their actions but it just seems stupid and like a plot hole to me. It's like Coil and Lisa are pretending things are the same as when the Undersiders did the Bank Job and its just so short sighed and incoherent. I know parahuman are broken humans with at least some sort of mental problem but Lisa and Coil are are supposed to be smart. If Lisa wants out of her situation With Coil she already has it. And whatever plan Coil had for Joe before knowing he was so powerful should be at least changed with the new information. That is something Coil does, he changes his plans based on failed attempts on his simulations.
Correction. Coil and Lisa are supposed to think they are smart. They actually just lean on their powers, this has convinced a large portion of the fandom and themselves that they actually are smart.
As for why Lisa doesn't go to Joe? Trust issues and the fact that she wants to win against Coil. She could just leave, if she put in even half as much effort into leave as she did to beat Coil she would have been gone before Taylor ever went out. She wants to beat Coil, her leaving or going to Joe wouldn't be her beating Coil.
As for Coil. Coil thinks he's in control because he has Dinah and unknowingly Dinah has been compromised. Even if he asked Dinah what would happen if Joe saw her get tortured before his very eyes the answer she would give would be that Joe would do nothing.
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Lisa and Coil would have to be stupid or crazy.
I have seen that in misfit of demon King academy as well. Arnos voldigold has a catch phrase "just because x, did you think y?" that he applies to everything. Did you think just because you can counter all magic that my spell wouldn't effect you? Did you think that I would die just because I was killed?
Correction, he's deliberately framing things so that he has an excuse to take out the Nine within the bounds of Thinkers' assumptions to avoid it being the 'public act' you mention, because Joe doesn't want to kick off a panic. He's also completely neutered any ability they have to cause further harm with Fleet's longreaching Dungeon Mastering all the human drones in their way.
Again, Joe's defenses show him as being reactive, not completely non-acting. He'd certainly react as his public persona would if he saw a child tortured in front of him, as far as Thinker prediction is concerned (including Dinah's own thinker modelling) - thus Coil would presumably know 'randomly torturing this preteen in front of the big-dick merc who's scared of me might go badly' from Dinah getting responses of 'oh yeah that'd be Go Time' from her shard.
Remember, even with the countermeasures every Thinker pointed at the problem agree that if Aperion knows about March's survival priority number one is going to be instanty working to take her out - which is the reason that her survival as a shard zombie has been so thoroughly kept from him and even Survey's reach, under the Case 69 word-of-mouth protocols that have kept Triumph and Glory Girl out of communication since the Ungodly Hour.
That was supposed to be kinda an exaggeration. But yeah, Coil probably has a hilariously distorted view of what goes on under the hood of the Apeiromobile.
There's a few things here but first you have to understand Coil in canon is actually very dumb, arrogant and cocky largely due to his power having him convinced he can save scum his way out of any consequences or defeat. For example when he first met the Undersiders in order to do his coin trick he would have to be there in both timelines and that's with him knowing from the dropped timeline of the first Lung fight that Skitter started out intending to be a hero. He also then proceeded to right after claiming to control destiny go behold my grand vision for the city and roll down his window to reveal the inside of the tunnel they were in and later when showing Dinah off had to bargain with her for questions and then threw a tantrum claiming the numbers were wrong because they'd gone down.
Coil too in bcf has been effected by the chaos with March and the ABB which has kept him from trying to atk Joe for a while and the watch stops any attempt of torturing the undersiders mainly Lisa which he also hasn't had time to do anyway and Lisa has been free to lie to him. Due to this he is maintaining the comfy bubble of delusion that Apeiron will flee from him and can be easily handled due to it and the times he has beaten Joe even killing him once. He is therefore confident he's safe from Apeiron and can leverage the undersider's connection to him to gain favourable deals for himself and those connected to him.
Regarding Lisa yes it was clear to her fairly early on Joe could take Coil but she also thought of him as a pawn she could easily control so revelled in the feeling of it and being able to set Joe on Coil rather than acting helped along by her wanting to beat Coil herself. She's also gotten used to her comfortable life which she gets without really having to do much so got greedy and held off to give her more time to siphon Coil's assets she has access to and work out how to gain access to more. Then of course she got panicked by him not being the weak, easy to control pawn she thought he was and later Coil got Noelle who has probably been giving her ulcers at the thought of her making evil clones of Joe.