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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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ImperatorV said:
Kind of a weird bet, considering that Tinker fugues are fanon. Weaverdice introduced Chaos Tinkers, some of which operate similar to the fanon Tinker fugue, but in canon there is not one single example of a tinker going into a fanon-esque fugue in either Worm or Ward.

You could argue that the Chaos Tinker variants in question were inspired by Girl Genius, which might be feasible.
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Checking the wiki, there's WoG from Wildbow that tinkers enter fugues. Although all are diferent:

Wildbow said:
  1. It varies from tinker to tinker. In the tinker's handbook, I break tinkers down into types. Every approach changes in little ways. By and large, however, it's a case where you get inspiration like any creative or engineer might, and as you decide to put it into action, the ideas fall into place in your head.

    Some tinkers might tune out at some point in the process, they might get into the zone, black out, or lose track of time. Other stay lucid but might only do certain things at different points in the project because they 'feel right' or because of ideas in their heads about wanting things to stay balanced or to maintain a seemingly logical flow of A to B to C, conveniently skipping why it was seemingly logical in the first place - if pressed they would have a hard time explaining.

    The viewpoint the reader gets isn't that far divorced from the viewpoint the tinker gets.

    but that seems incomplete.

    It seems incomplete because it is an incomplete process. In the background, the shards themselves are taking a hand in things, supplying an extradimensional limb to hold something in place that the tinker isn't wholly aware of, or a power-driven equivalent to a screwdriver in another reality that connects the aforementioned A to B. This is why tinkers have such a terrible time trying to teach others how to build their tech, and why another person can't just sit down at a table and copy everything the tinker does. ~~~ Wildbow.
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Which goes hand in hand with the way Sparks "tinker", some go completely on the deep end, specially when untrained or new (or weak minded). Some enter an enthused extremely focused state, often to the detriment of taking care of themselves, disregarding other's safety or even their own. Others get focused, but still moderately capable of following outside events.
Heck, you could paint GirlGenius like another earth where the Shards went "let's only do Tinkers" in this dimension... Until you get to Queens... but there are several parallels.
 
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You know, it would be a lot easier to disseminate the medical knowledge Joe gained from Star Trek through Uppercrust's organization, especially given how much medical research he's funded. That said, it's probably better to stick to small or obscure diseases, as the connections between Uppercrust and Aperion aren't exactly secret, and big cures would draw attention to them. Curing the condition Uppercrust was suffering from would probably be fine though, as it is a disease so obscure I don't think it's ever named.
 
I wonder whether Uppercrust would be able to work with Minovsky particles to make forcefield generators that generate forcefields that persist for longer then they do. If he could then Bakuda would probably have been able to figure out how to optimize the device rather dramatically; in light of how good of a defensive measure that collaboration could be it's even more of a shame that she's unlikely to survive being brought in.



Unrelatedly, and redundantly if it was brought up already, but I wonder whether Joe would be able to use body-parts from Aegis to make a Shingu; since he can work with Changer and Breaker flesh he should be able to.
Subrosian_Smithy said:
The latest update.



Craftsman of the Gods works on anything made out of base materials. Iron is a base material. Joe can work anything as if it were iron. Ergo, Joe can proc Craftsman of the Gods on everything he creates.
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Probably depends on whether it's a property of the forging process or of the materials themselves; like Joe can probably temper or anneal ice or rubber or wood but he shouldn't be able to make it conductive as treated iron even if he had figured out a iron-treatment that made it more conductive; like it could be more conductive then it was but not as conductive as a material with a more conductive starting point would be.
HandleWithCare said:
Except there is one big issue: every hour she is learning incredible valuable skills she is basically denying her brother.



By just saying: he is my brother, she could secure him incredible experiences, knowledge and a say in what's happening in his own life.



Joe trusted her because of his power and his power insisted Brian is cool too, so he should trust him as well.



She could argue they can't risk informing him because of Coil but than that argument needs to be made and discussed.



I mean, imagine finding out your sibling was hanging around with Superman, learning Kryptonian science and being granted powers and just never telling him you existed?



How would you react?
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I'm pretty sure that it's been less then a month in setting; Aisha isn't particularly on the hook for forgoing trying to get her brother what she's got just yet.

That being said though Joe could possibly stand to offer the Undersiders a temporally accelerated vacation since they're his agents and they've been under stressful conditions.
Ziggrrauglurr said:
Checking the wiki, there's WoG from Wildbow that tinkers enter fugues. Although all are diferent:


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Which goes hand in hand with the way Sparks "tinker", some go completely on the deep end, specially when untrained or new (or weak minded). Some enter an enthused extremely focused state, often to the detriment of taking care of themselves, disregarding other's safety or even their own. Others get focused, but still moderately capable of following outside events.
Heck, you could paint GirlGenius like another earth where the Shards went "let's only do Tinkers" in this dimension... Until you get to Queens... but there are several parallels.
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Queens are kind of like Broken Triggers. That and the different ways that Shards get their Hosts to blackbox the tech they're letting their Hosts make matches pretty well with the ways that Shard/Host connections can be wide, deep, or in the negatives a la Noelle or Sveta.
 
Just... AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
I hate cliffhangers! Good news though- I cwn start reading from the begining and not catch up until the next update!
Love your work as always!
 
I can't not share it here:
Lord on AO3 said:
The Tau Wave was created as the result of a failed Russian experiment involving a prototype omni-sphere, multiple dolphin brains, and a girl named Sophia Barov, the daughter of the lead scientist. The experiment failed, destroying the facility, creating the Whispered, and trapping Sophia in the Tau Wave, which existed outside time. In Full Metal Panic, Sophia tried to take over Kaname's body, so her mind definitely still exists as part of the Whispered perk and could possibly be contacted or saved, but it would be a very difficult process, probably on the same level as somehow 'saving' Alma from F.E.A.R. (and on that note, I've prepared a meme in the event Joe gets Synchronicity Event: https://i.imgflip.com/6tv94o.jpg).
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Inbetweenaction said:
But yes. Languages transform. So we could both be wrong, even if I am personally more inclined to the way publishers decided was correct over wikipedia even if alot of that is my own bias to how I first saw it. And I am perfectly willing to admit that I do have alot of bias here.
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Tackyseven said:
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In "Linguistic Attestations of Heathen Faiths in Sweden" by M. Lundgren from 1878 (docent at "Upsala"), it is written as Oden.

Article:
För öfrigt skildrar den sv. folksägnen Oden i allmänhet
som en gammal man, skallig och med långt grått skägg.
Folktron tillägger honom en sid och vid hatt eller en stor öfver
hufvudet neddragen hufva samt en hvit eller hvitgrå rock; i
den ofta nämda Ydre-sägnen uppträder jägaren klädd i harnesk.
Source: Språkliga Intyg om Hednisk Gudatro i Sverige

I have personally never heard Odin in Swedish either, and at first I suspected it might be an east-west thing since on the west coast the i vowel is noticeably different (the Lidingö i vowel comes from the west, funnily enough) ...but Lundgren here is on the opposite side of the country from me, so I have no idea - it might stem from the phasing out of Eth and Thorn and the spelling standardisation regarding double consonants?
Bottom line is :confused: ???. Basically, whichever floats your boat is probably fine.
 
Slentoru said:
I can't not share it here:
Lord on AO3 said:
The Tau Wave was created as the result of a failed Russian experiment involving a prototype omni-sphere, multiple dolphin brains, and a girl named Sophia Barov, the daughter of the lead scientist. The experiment failed, destroying the facility, creating the Whispered, and trapping Sophia in the Tau Wave, which existed outside time. In Full Metal Panic, Sophia tried to take over Kaname's body, so her mind definitely still exists as part of the Whispered perk and could possibly be contacted or saved, but it would be a very difficult process, probably on the same level as somehow 'saving' Alma from F.E.A.R. (and on that note, I've prepared a meme in the event Joe gets Synchronicity Event: https://i.imgflip.com/6tv94o.jpg).
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Heh, I hadn't seen a meme made by LR, xD

Story wise, Joe, being the bleeding heart he is, he will probably dedicate at least 2 chapters to free her, although, she won't became a companion though, he expressly mentioned that no more Perk based companions. I give 80% chances that this will follow. (Also probably the process of freeing her will be mostly done off camera by duplicates, with just the climax directed by Joe prime.)
 
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Apeiron can probably grant Uppercrust's cell access to his computer throne. Not itself but access for people to analyze data with it. Survey will no doubt be glad for more data. I imagine it would be like Tree diagram from a certain anime.

Apeiron can also install Fleet's program in many of their vehicles since he is 'offended' by their lousy driving. Fleet would be pleased.

This would result of both of them be able to expand further than 'just' Celestial Forge's directive.
 
Ziggrrauglurr said:
Heh, I hadn't seen a meme made by LR, xD

Story wise, Joe, being the bleeding heart he is, he will probably dedicate at least 2 chapters to free her, although, she won't became a companion though, he expressly mentioned that no more Perk based companions. I give 80% chances that this will follow. (Also probably the process of freeing her will be mostly done off camera by duplicates, with just the climax directed by Joe prime.
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I think Lord ever said that there wont be more companions from perks but Sophia wouldn't be entirely from perk, just like Spiritron Computer which was assembled manually. Perk only gives opportunity, not an easy one at that, its up to you whether or not you seize it. I imagine its like if Joe ever figures out Graal and starts summoning Heroic Spirits.
 
ExploerTM said:
I think Lord ever said that there wont be more companions from perks but Sophia wouldn't be entirely from perk, just like Spiritron Computer which was assembled manually. Perk only gives opportunity, not an easy one at that, its up to you whether or not you seize it. I imagine its like if Joe ever figures out Graal and starts summoning Heroic Spirits.
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You make a good point. I just imagined a slight irking of Taylor's face when she is introduced to a "Sophia"...
 
KlinkerKing said:
Bottom line is :confused: ???. Basically, whichever floats your boat is probably fine.
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Yeah that's what I gathered, glad too hear I'm not the only one that had never heard or read a swedish person pronounce or spell it Odin before this was brought up. I trust Wikipedia 100% on sources like this, because everything that's rooted in pure history science and languages are corrected and constantly updated by massive nerds, if an article has wrongful information it will be corrected. On top of the site being moderated now a days anyways
 
I don't know how a meeting with Alma would go seeing as she's an insane mentally damaged women with a child-like mind who does a lot of bad stuff including forced intercourse.
 
TitanFrost said:
I'm certainly not excited for their to be a calm discussion, I'll tell you that
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Helping Alma would be on the level of helping Riley, but with the added need of several years of Spiritron simulation psychiatric help. Joe should create a fork of Survey specialized in Psychology to host "recovery worlds" in Spiritron simulation... Would speed up the hassle of all the people he needs to help... kinda like this
 
Jfan999 said:
Isn't there a fiat backed therapist in the personal reality section.
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It's useful, but per WoG only good for airing out and venting to an intelligence that has knowledge of psychology. The thing that makes therapy effective is being able to build a relationship of trust with a professional. Without that relationship, which can't be formed with this anonymous, non-sapient intelligence, you won't have effective therapy.

A Fork of an AI could maybe work, but he could just as easily get her to the point of not being a danger to others and hand her off to an expert. Having to work through certain mental issues with the same medical expert who provides you maintenance on your own body seems like a bad idea.
 
AmberSlime said:
By "these two" do you mean Sophia and Alma, Sophia and Doctor Doofenshmirtz, or Alma and Doctor Doofenshmirtz?
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"So how eactly did my latest inator do this again?"

"Grrrrr." "How was I to know that putting a self destruct button right near the slushy machine would cause this!?!"

"Aperion's the one that will save me." "Aperion will be the one to save me."

"Okay, Perry the Platypus now is the time to be afraid because they are doing the creepy twin speak."
 
Ziggrrauglurr said:
Doctor Doofenshmirtz would be the crackiest companion ever.
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In Worm he would be considered a potential S-Class threat, only neutered by the fact that he apparently only cares about some small suburb area, doesn't really hurt people, and is being kept in check by the strongest heroic Master in existence - Major Monogram, who the PRT funds and allows to be independent because nobody really wants to be on the opposite side of a bunch of pigeons and butterflies that can judo throw you.
 
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Ziggrrauglurr said:
Doctor Doofenshmirtz would be the crackiest companion ever.
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"Oh sure your 'Power' brought me here to help you save the world. I'm a Evil Villain with a degree in Evil Science! What can you do?"

"Trans-dimensional folding technology, a computer that interacts with your soul, and advanced Alien technology that is closer to magic at times then what we currently have on Earth being powered by a Dyson Sphere."

"Well at least you don't have a platypus running around."

"Grrrr."
"A platypus test pilot?" (Dones a fedora.) "Perry the platypus test pilot?" (Get's out of Garment made pilot suit.) "PERRY THE PLATYPUS!!!"
 
ExploerTM said:
I think Lord ever said that there wont be more companions from perks but Sophia wouldn't be entirely from perk, just like Spiritron Computer which was assembled manually. Perk only gives opportunity, not an easy one at that, its up to you whether or not you seize it. I imagine its like if Joe ever figures out Graal and starts summoning Heroic Spirits.
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Good point, but... I'm pretty sure the reason Lord decided to not add more companions is because there's already way too many characters in this story.
 
So, just in case anyone else is like me and mainly uses TvTropes to check on WoG. Lord is still responding on Ao3, but whatever kind person takes the time out of their day to archive it, just hasn't been doing so recently, yet the info is still there. That being said, there were some highlights from this week's WoG for this chapter that I wanted to share outside of the amazing meme which I see someone beat me to.

1 Uppercrust will be getting a Simurgh blocker.
2 Joe's current casual crafting projects outstrip the powers of A-Class capes.
3 "Joe is still in the process of feeling things out with Uppercrust. They're off on a good foot, but their relationship will depend on how he handles the aid Joe offered and what happens with the house cleaning. If things go well there's the possibility of Uppercrust being brought closer into the fold of the Celestial Forge and maybe even given a look behind the curtain. That would be the minimum that would need to happen before he could start interacting with Aisha as anything other than the Celestial Forge's terrifying stranger."
4 Alec will be calling "soon" in universe.
5 Joe has a sufficient amount of perks that when he makes Tetra into a Kamui, the resulting item will be beyond what a Kamui is even theoretically capable of.
6 The remaining perks that Joe can roll to help with the Kamui are Titan's Blood, Monstrous Strength, and Unnatural Skill Weaving.
7 Joe will be able to save the Tau Wave conscious+ meme. See post I was Lethed on for further details.
 
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