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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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PrinceOfDoom said:
Satisfying chapter though. The conclusion was enjoyable and reading how it affected everyone.

Even if its increasing the Shipping Factor of Aisha as soon as she is legally an adult. Because that girl is going to carry a torch. More like a goddamn sun.

Has anyone ever invested in her as much as Joe? No one, really.

I could totally see her carrying a torch for a long, long time.

But that is just my reading of it.
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Eh, the thing is that Aisha tries to get compliments from Joe about are things more like how smart or responsible she's acting. Unlike Taylor, she also never seems to be distracted by the sexy or the like as well. Basically, she acts more like he's a parent she's trying to impress than a crush she is trying to impress.

Frankly, she seems much more to treat Joe and Garment as substitute parents, and I've noticed a few points like 'you have a thing for gloves' and her interest in Garments love life that suggest she ships Joe/Garment in a 'wouldn't that tie things up neatly' kinda way.

Which is not to say that kinda thing can't get confused, but not seeing the crush now.
 
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AntaeusTheGiant said:
Nope, because that would tip off Jack('s Shard) that they will be expected. Poor Alec will find out when Jozef calls with the (sad?) news that his sister is dead...
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"Alec? Your sister... she... she joined Slaughterhouse 9. They were almost in the city, I had to take action. I am sorry, she is... dead... ... ... ... A-Alec? Hello?!"

"SPEAK LOUDER JOE I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF OPENING CHAMPAGNE!"
 
ExploerTM said:
"Alec? Your sister... she... she joined Slaughterhouse 9. They were almost in the city, I had to take action. I am sorry, she is... dead... ... ... ... A-Alec? Hello?!"

"SPEAK LOUDER JOE I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF OPENING CHAMPAGNE!"
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Tbh, Alec would probably realize that Cherie would have been coming for his ass, and then he'd thank Joe for stopping that confrontation from happening in the first place. As he is, with an emerging conscience and emotional range, Alec isn't in anyway equipped to handle a fight with Cherish.

He knows that his sister has no good intentions for him, especially if she's coming with the Nine. Joe isn't going to tell any Parahuman of his new 'destroy the S9' mission until he's succeeded already.
 
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S. Shortcake said:
Tbh, Alec would probably realize that Cherie would have been coming for his ass, and then he'd thank Joe for stopping that confrontation from happening in the first place. As he is, with an emerging conscience and emotional range, Alec isn't in anyway equippedbto handle a fight with Cherish.
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Yeah that would be nasty, losing the main defence he had against his family is a punch in the gut that he shouldn't have to face. I am not sure if he is coming out from there if he ever got in such situation.
Then again, he still does have a lot of expirience to draw from, so wouldn't be entirely hopeless
 
LordRoustabout said:
It turns out when you take something with a spiritual presence and give it the opportunity for spiritual growth it tends to take it. Something that entered the spiritron environment as a dragon that held the nature of a dragon in its own existence had grown into what was for most metaphysical purposes, a dragon.

It also definitely cast Aisha's unicorn in a new light.
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ZOID QUESTIONS:

=(1) Do the Zoids have enough spiritual development to unlock their Aura like the corgi Zwei from "RWBY"?

=(2) Can a Zoid with a soul become a Fate/Stay-style familiar for a Magus? If a Zoid modeled after a mythological creature became a Magus' familiar, could it gradually grow into an artificial Phantasmal Beast the same way Len evolved into a succubus?

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I was just wondering if Dekalt unlocking his Aura or becoming Apeiron's familiar would let Dekalt evolve into a more magical dragon-like state.

And once Aisha can willingly summon Aura, she'll totally try to see if she can unlock Ouridios' Aura, no way she WON'T try to make her unicorn extra-magical. Superpowers associated with unicorns include spiritual purification, the ability to sense evil or poisons, the ability to cure illnesses, etc.

Aisha: :D "SUPER MAGICAL UNICORN POWAAAHHH !!!"


 
famfrit said:
You say that but we see how she flips Bonesaw during one of Bonesaw's outings she approaches her and says one line which much later she recalls at a certain specific and important moment which tied into what she was thinking about right before and makes the big difference in her attitude making her switch sides. That's something far past what con artists could ever hope to do even with extensive research and prep. It's also high enough to definitely count as a master ability because she can just flip someone's alignment with one line.
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a good test IMO is ... would a normal person have gotten the same results speaking the same words? if so then it's not mastering but manipulation if not then it's likely to be a form of mastering ... that said I do consider glory girls aura to be a form of mastering
Utterly Depraved said:
TIL that drugging someone into making a bad decisions is Mastering. Hey does this mean that Joe Neurotypicaling Alec was Mastering?
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If you squint just right it could be considered a form of mastering ... but then again if you squint just right surgery could be considered battery
 
Vers said:
Effective?
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No, elective was right. They're talking about it being a choice rather than a necessity.

Narsauce said:
Well, stopped by people with powers because Jack only affects Parahumans. For normal people, Wildbow had to invent a new reason, Ms. Plot- I mean Contessa's Paths, to help keep the Slaughterhouse Nine alive and murdering. Because, let's face it, someone, somewhere, would've put a bullet in Jack's head from two and a half Kilometers away a long time ago if it wasn't for her.
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No, Contessa didn't help out Jack or the Slaughterhouse 9 in general. They did want vial capes to survive, but Jack and his team in general were left to sink or swim on their own.

The thing that kept Jack alive all this time, beyond having some sense of self-preservation, was that he had the ever-changing roster of the S9 serving as his personal bodyguards. He uses his team like a tinker uses their gear.
 
Tiz Goldeneye said:
Alright, so now the only thing Joe doesn't know about the 9 is that the Siberian is a projection. That should be solved soon since Survey's sensors should detect that fact. At that point the only question remaining about the battle involving the 9 will be whether or not Cauldron intervenes because the path tells them that certain members of the 9 are useful for the final battle.
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As people have mentioned, Cauldron can't predict Joe. In my opinion the only question remaining is whether Joe will give the Nine enough time to realize how outclassed they are, or whether he's just going to take them out instantly. Basically whether Joe decides he wants to see the look on their faces or not.
 
Tiz Goldeneye said:
Like everything else about Worm its meant to to provide a "realistic" explanation for a superhero setting. In this case a a "realistic" answer to the age old question of, "Why does no one ever shoot the Joker?" The answer Wildbow came up with was that the Joker has superpowers which give him plot armor to continue being a serial killer so he can never be stopped.
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Honestly it was an unnecessary analogy on WB's part. Just like any other comic book character, the Joker died plenty of times across all the comic books. Sure he died much less often than most, but it still happened. They just undid it through retcons and revivals as necessary, as per the usual modus operandi of comic book writers.

For the Joker having plot armor works because status quo is god in the comic book industry. In a novel? It's much less flattering to have such a setting for a villain, especially if it is officially their actual superpower.
 
Excellent chapter as usual. I can hardly wait to see the interaction with Uppercrust.
Since we are going to hopefully see the full results of the spiritron computer soon, I had a hypothetical question.

Could Joe use his knowledge of magecraft to reproduce the Black Barrel, or even just a replica like we see in Fate/GO? And if so, what kind of threats would it work against?
The Black Barrel is effective against beings that are saturated in Grain, which if my understanding is correct is a kind of magic particle that is released by dying planets. Would that mean it would be effective against entities like Zion who are world breakers?
I would assume it would have at least some effect on endbringers since they are fairly similar to Ultimate Ones like Type: Venus, although that's more my take on them.
Again this is all hypothetical, and at this juncture I doubt we would actually see a Black Barrel in this story, but I like the thought experiment
 
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Introverted said:
A glove incapable of talking is a better mother than what Aisha technically has.

The Father is trying but Joe feels more like a cool rich uncle vibe than a father.
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Nah, Joe isn't the cool rich uncle. He's the amazing part time superhero, all time demigod, super secret technomagic tinker wizard alchemist mentor of Aisha's wildest YA novel daydreams, and yes, that is why Aisha is the actual protagonist of this story, can't you see the spotlight on her? /s
 
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Anaja said:
No, Contessa didn't help out Jack or the Slaughterhouse 9 in general. They did want vial capes to survive, but Jack and his team in general were left to sink or swim on their own.

The thing that kept Jack alive all this time, beyond having some sense of self-preservation, was that he had the ever-changing roster of the S9 serving as his personal bodyguards. He uses his team like a tinker uses their gear.
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This is wrong Cauldron as a whole and Contessa did take steps to help the nine. From just their canon atk on the Bay they call Battery's last favour to them to get her to ensure Shatterbird and Siberian leave the bay alive and when Siberian is revealed to be a projection and they track down the RV he's in Contessa herself interferes. As a matter of fact its a combination of Legend seeing Contessa protecting Siberian who I think he also realises is Manton and Battery on her death bed confessing her being a vial cape and the favour being used on that to Legend that causes him to get the bug from kid win to leave at their meeting area not that he actually does anything after learning about some of what they are keeping from him mind you.
 
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Zoids that gain sufficient experience are, canonically, capable of evolving/metamorphosing into new forms. (Although, this can be also prompted/enhanced by an Organoid, or a Ziforming Terminal Cube in the Chaotic Century/Guardian Force or Wild Zero continuities, respectively.)

The 3 Wish Zoids just gained about a year's worth of experience (and novel experience as organic beings) in the space of a few hours. Will this happen here? It's not even entirely outside of Joe's experience, because Mantic Circuits cause his base to evolve/improve over time too.
 
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kelgamum said:
Even if they heard about it AS it happens; Joe, when he's in "No Fucks" mode, won't be slow. You're asking Eidolon/Legend to teleport to the 9 as they're under attack with someone who is KNOWN to have extremely high fidelity cameras recording what he does and then rescue the known kill-order authorized group from being killed. Or you're going to have doormaker smuggle a member of the 9 directly INTO cauldron's base. Both seem excessively risk at a tactical AND strategic level.
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There is also the fact that at this point Joe is pretty much Endbringer tier, only he has no need to sandbag or otherwise hold back to give people a chance. If you fight him when he is trying to kill you, you just get hit by ten or so OCP and cease to exist.
 
Cheetored20 said:
@LordRoustabout
So I'm curious, are the zoids going to come out mechanical or are the organic aspects going to come out with them?
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Chronocidal said:
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Zoids that gain sufficient experience are, canonically, capable of evolving/metamorphosing into new forms. (Although, this can be also prompted/enhanced by an Organoid, or a Ziforming Terminal Cube in the Chaotic Century/Guardian Force or Wild Zero continuities, respectively.)

The 3 Wish Zoids just gained about a year's worth of experience (and novel experience as organic beings) in the space of a few hours. Will this happen here? It's not even entirely outside of Joe's experience, because Mantic Circuits cause his base to evolve/improve over time too.
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It may vary depending on the presence of HERETICAL ADAPTATION; (A) whether the Zoids have heretical adaptation and (B) whether the Spiritron Simulator's component systems has heretical adaptation.

Multiple adaptation-enabling enchantments may overlap and have a synergistic effect on the Zoids' spiritual/metaphysical growth.
 
drvash said:
It may vary depending on the presence of HERETICAL ADAPTATION; (A) whether the Zoids have heretical adaptation and (B) whether the Spiritron Simulator's component systems has heretical adaptation.

Multiple adaptation-enabling enchantments may overlap and have a synergistic effect on the Zoids' spiritual/metaphysical growth.
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They do, and it does.... which means we can expect interesting things from them...
 
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