She and Apeiron also might have chosen not to be "skilled" in biological transmutation. They have other methods to heal, and they know that human transmutation is far more expensive than it's worth.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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Thing is, Truth's price is symbolic. When the elrics tried to bring back their mother, Edward lost his leg, so he could no longer stand on his own. When he brought back his brother, he lost his arm so his brother would have to help him. When (Spoiler) was force to use human transmutation the one who wanted to be a leader lost his sight.
If Truth wanted to be really cruel (Oh god yes he would) he would take Victors ability to use the skills he steals. Maybe his ability to retain them? Which would lead to Victor's position being lost, and the organization he built severely weakened for the mad desire being driven from pure emotion. The same emotional thinking he bragged about his ability to control in his inner monologue.
If Truth wanted to be really cruel (Oh god yes he would) he would take Victors ability to use the skills he steals. Maybe his ability to retain them? Which would lead to Victor's position being lost, and the organization he built severely weakened for the mad desire being driven from pure emotion. The same emotional thinking he bragged about his ability to control in his inner monologue.
Why is lethe presumed to be the only person on the team with alchemy powers? It seems like the chain of thought to assuming aperion also has the powers would be very easy to find, and would go a little something like this: aperion gives powers->lethe has teachable alchemy powers-> aperion might have taught lethe alchemy
RedKing96
1: steal beards 2:? 3: world domination
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Oh Victor, in the words of Old grail knight bro, "you have chosen...poorly"
And Truth is going to take only a very small bit from your brain for Gate use tax, though considering how indelicate It tends to be with removal... yeah that's a lot of interracial bleeding.
And Truth is going to take only a very small bit from your brain for Gate use tax, though considering how indelicate It tends to be with removal... yeah that's a lot of interracial bleeding.
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It's less that it is impossible and more because he's doing it through Alchemy that he is. After all, while Bonesaw does have a killcount, she does not actually need human sacrifices to make clones through biotinkering. And Joe certainly knows entirely too much himself of alternatives to creating bodies without resorting to human transmutation.
It's just that Victor specifically stumbled into the one methodology that explicitly requires a... humanitarian cost for what he wants to achieve.
MangoFlan
Cold... I feel cold...
There are some possible things that could be exchanged away instead of knowledge. If the exchange is primarily with physical parts, the following could be exchanged:
Connection to power.
Ability to speak.
Ability to move aka paralysis.
You know, I realize that I'm targeting things that are abilities. It may be interesting for Victor to have things but can't use them.
Connection to power.
Ability to speak.
Ability to move aka paralysis.
You know, I realize that I'm targeting things that are abilities. It may be interesting for Victor to have things but can't use them.
There's stupid and then there is Stupid and let me just say the exchange he is talking about is not going to be in his favour. But I would like to see Aperion take charge it is going on too long in my view it's the time to act because no matter what, this is Worm, Escalation is the name of the game.
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Hubris is a coward's word.
Won't be surprised.
He could but it requires him to make a massive infrastructure like Father from FMA did which would just draw attention from Thinkers.
More interested in a partial success from Victor after all due to Shards keeping a resevoir of previous hosts, plus Soul=Shard copy equivalence he might have psuedo-Philosopher's Stone.
Just interested more in the drama of Victors first love coming back.
I mean Dragon triggered, so your argument is sort-of invalid? I Always assumed all that was needed was an emotional response that could lead the entities to believe you could be prodded into doing interesting things with the powers, and...well, the Homunculi in the series certainly did interesting things.
This is actually an interesting question, if he gets dragged in front of Truth and the gate would the shard be dragged with him? and could the shard be used to pay the price Truth would demand of him? and what could that do to his powers? would they stop working? would we get an early titan like what happens in Ward? would his power become like the ones handed out by Cauldron?
So many questions, so many weeks between me asking and any answers appearing in the story.
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A much stronger interpretation of Victor's power than is normally seen. For an organization like the E88, that power as shown is more valuable than Tt's, or Coil's, or Dinah's.
Frankly, it seems kind of absurd to me. Even if he had the skills (which I'm dubious of... many "skills" directly contradict other such skills), he can't possibly find the time to use all of them for the E88 to the degree he seems to think he does.
Frankly, it seems kind of absurd to me. Even if he had the skills (which I'm dubious of... many "skills" directly contradict other such skills), he can't possibly find the time to use all of them for the E88 to the degree he seems to think he does.
MagnificentMind
To Live is to Suffer
Victor may be a piece of shit but goddamn does he make a good interlude.
Speaking for those who have lost family and friends quite a lot if there were guantres.
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Victor is gonna die. And it is gonna be glorious.
SiegfriedisOP
Calamity Demon King of Time
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Nah the he could just create a compact deployable system that only blocks tectonic energy in the surrounding area. Like developing a block incorporated into specific The Matrix Nanomachines and having them deploy underground in a 100 meter diameter centered around the person using Alchemy.
verycoolname
Not actually cool
One of the most important things to remember about FMAB's alchemy is the Law of Equivalent Exchange.
The reason that Human Transmutation is a big no-no is because a human soul has no 'equivalent' value. Trying to revive the dead and bring back a living human using a pile of matter? It doesn't work. It breaks the law. That has ...consequences.
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It's more a question of souls, really. LR said in a WoG that Shards, as a result of the magic equivalency, mainly deal with souls and DNA to connect to hosts. But if his goal is to make his own body, then without Joe's expertise, how will he even be able to move his soul? And would he even be able to make a good enough body that his shard could recognize it as his in the process?
And that's before Alchemy. The point I was making them is that Alchemy is the magic/science system that explicitly places a limitation on dealing with anything that involves human souls. Without any idea of such a cost, or that there could be even disastrous consequences, the chances of him even succeeding are basically nil.
Well, some poor HR guy somewhere probably had to lose his delegation skills in the process.
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What gives Victor the idea that the tiny fragment that he got off of Leithe will allow him to exceed Aperion? Maybe his stolen skills make him think he can just fill in the blanks with the alchemy? He really should understand how much he doesn't know but he seems to be smack dab in Dunning-Kruger territory for some reason. Not sure why.
IndigoPhoenix
Devourer of Citrus
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Victor: "BEHOLD! I HAVE BECOME AS GOD!!"
Chromium Gibbon: "yeah, no"
If Victor's lucky, he turns his raw materials into a facsimile of a corpse because his biology knowledge has subtle holes in it. After all, the sum total of published biology and medicine still leaves an awful lot of open questions about biochemistry, including some vital ones.
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You know, this reminds me of the myth of Icarus... Or perhaps Prometheus.
Both didn't end well for the poor protagonist.
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I think it's a good time to point out that all of the knowledge victor has is very much human in nature, otherwise known as very fallible. People tend to think we know everything about the world and how it works when we don't know why we sleep, or how the 'software' of brains work. We don't know the Truth, we just have a extremely realistic guess. And in this case that will come to bite him. He has the limit of human knowledge, but that in and of itself is extremely fallible. It's like Uber, unless you have some serious cybernetics, you're limited to what you can physically achieve, and that's a lot less than what he thinks. Even if this version of him is hyper competent.
IndigoPhoenix
Devourer of Citrus
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He filled up his self-reflection skills with marriage skills. He's too buisy being married to stop now.
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Caveat to above.
Technically there is some leeway where you can bind a soul ala Alphonse but once the dead soul passes through completely there aint bringing it back.
Parahuman may be easier / possible to bring back if the Shards act like a psued-soul trap.