there is a fic in QQ called Predatory where the MC fixed Riley by erasing her memories until she was back to 6 years old, they then put themselves in a simulation(that only lasted a few minutes in real time) where they raised Riley until she was 12 while slowly telling her who she really was and what happened over years in the simulation.
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While that's a way of solving the problem, I doubt it's one that Joe would personally do, as it would both require memory manipulation and significant investment into someone he doesn't deeply care about.
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Actually, he is canonically in charge of a nanite swarm based quarantine zone best known as the Machine Army which only stopped where it did due to maintenance concerns for it. The city within his zone looks normal. He has every bird who flies up to the wall shot on principle because there is nothing organic left in his zone, and that is the only way to stay safe.
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And that's exactly what counter-brainwashing is. Something that Joe really doesn't like. That being said, idea with simulation as environment for therapy sessions sounds actually pretty neat and allows to handle all kinds of dangerous people. Memory erasing is highly questionable though.
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Does this exclude the possibility of Joe going back in time, faking the corpse of someone who was supposed to die, like say, Hero for the Protectorate or Annette for Taylor, and bringing them to the present as a rescue? It wouldn't cause any paradoxes and would fall into the category of closed loop time travel.
That certainly won't help rumours of Aperion courting Kepri.
"Some people buy flowers for their girlfriends, but no, Aperion goes and resurrects his crush's mother! How are us normal guys supposed to compete with that?!" - Some guy, somewhere.
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If you are going to do that for one person then why not everyone?
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Joe can already resurrect capes theoretically. Not sure about time travel working that way given that terminator time travel in this fic would probably be limited to closed time loops if it ever gets used.
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I do remember a Harry Potter fanfic that may have been written by Perfect Lionheart. It included Professor Trelawny time traveling to save all the magical folk that died in Voldemorts first go by replacing their bodies with fake simulacrums, and moving the real people to an isolated island nation to wait until the time travel begins before interacting with the world.
I believe this idea is closer to Avengers endgame with bringing lost people back in the present. I will say though, so long as the Simurgh lives, I would rather not be raised from death in Worm.
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It's similar to what Ciara does in canon to revive capes anyhow.
The thing is, both methodologies for reviving parahumans are mutually exclusive. If Joe could revive a parahuman by using time travel as described to fake their death and bringing them to the present, they would naturally not be in the "shard afterlife" where souls are kept semi-intact inside shards. Therefore, in a hypothetical post epilogue where Joe is reviving capes left and right via manipulating the shard afterlife (or maybe even pre-epilogue, as a way of reviving the right people to take down Scion), he could stumble upon a person who, curiously enough, should have their soul in their shard like everyone else, but said shard remains empty as though the person in question isn't actually dead.
Investigating it further could reveal the presence of a time travel closed-loop where Joe goes back in time to save said person by faking their death and bringing them to the present, because the only way a parahuman could be "dead" and not have their soul stored is by them not dying in the first place. And if it's confirmed that they are indeed "dead" as far as the timeline goes, despite not being actually dead, then the answer there is closed loop time travel.
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Ugh I remember that one. Fairly sure you are right, its by PL. And if I remember correctly its also one of those where
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Yeah, now that you mention it, I do remember that happening. Also Harry getting mentally modified to consent to having a harem. I remember it being an odd combination of cartoonishly evil Dumbledore and Snape, with protagonists being left with no other option than massive violence. And characters have two mental states 'good' support protagonists and 'evil' do not support protagonists. And the idea that if you throw enough money around you can buy sovereignty.
Edit: and with that I am going to go back to never thinking about this again if I can.
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A weirdo who doesn't need to be discussed any further.
How about we stop that line of discussion all together.
This would be a great idea, if only that the predetermination paradox is fucky because time travel only happens because time travel happened before. Like, technically this happens in Terminator with Skynet being based on the Skynet in the terminator remnants, but like... This would be a lot more recursive than that.
Alternatively, Joe simply never opens that box, not trusting himself or anyone else with such power.
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Except, we did just get WoG confirmation that while the time travel is limited to closed loops, predestination paradox is a non-issue. Honestly, in the first place, predestination paradox is just another extension of the law of conservation (specifically, conservation of information, where information can neither be created nor destroyed with a lot of debates involving blackholes), so it wouldn't be the last time Joe broke rules of reality like that through fiat anyway.
Yo what if instead of uplifting the world once he's gotten rid of Coil, the Ziz, and the S9, Apeiron just went into the restaurant or real estate industries.
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Why not singer or actor though?
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There seems to be a missing factor in these hypotheticals that should be raised, moving a parahuman through time does not move the shard as well. Chucking Hero through a Terminator time machine buck naked (as you do) is your prerogative, but we can't assume a shard will be kosher about the displacement. We see in canon what happened to one of Bakudas time bomb victims once he came out of it, Dauntless before he turns into a Titan, and while most of it had to do with Scion being dead and the network a mess, his shard knew he wasn't dead and kept building charges while he was stuck. There's no knowing how a Cauldron cape will turn out if they get grabbed for imminent temporal shenanigans, but a natural trigger might just have a buildup of energy they can't control once they're dropped off, if they don't just drop dead from the shard moving to a new host instead.
I don't know how to make that Dauntless part a spoiler thing, so sorry about that if you wanted to read Ward. Also there has been no instance of a time jump being used to go back to their point of origin in the Terminator series, that was part of what made time travel a closed time loop to my understanding.
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Social anxiety. Plus, that'd be Survey's job in the conglomerate
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Counter-point: good for Mental Fortress
Hmmmmmmmm... you raise a good point
Oh no you absolutely SHOULD DO IT!!! DO IT! DO IT!!!
If you remember on a earlier posting of one of them I actually already had given permission for people to do a PHO thread response to them.
If anything, I would also love it if people in the thread commented with a member of the Celestial Forge joining in to complain about that rule. Such as Survey complaining on what else she is supposed to do in restaurants since they don't cook as good as Apeiron. Or Fleet wanting to challenge Assault to Battleship with him accepting it only for someone in the PRT or Protectorate to put the foot down against it.
I actually have ideas for the next set involving Lethe, Proto Aima, Matrix, and Tybalt as well. With possible extensions for Survey and Fleet as well.
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Yeah, thinking about it all predestination paradoxes are recursive. That isn't an issue. I can actually kinda imagine a scene with Joe explaining it
"I don't get it, why is this necessary?"
"Because I brought him into the future."
"Why though? Why didn't that future you just resurrect him?"
"Because he couldn't, because he never died."
"But... why?"
"There is no why. This is just the way things are. An Apeiron always kidnaps Hero to the future, and so Apeiron has to kidnap Hero from the past. Endless loop with no origin or end."
"That is..."
"A mess? Absolutely. But it's a stable mess."
This is an issue. Many of these shards may have gotten new hosts via budding or the like. Backups exist but the shard may not like running two powers at once. This issue would persist even if Joe just resurrects from Shardspace, though, so yeah it's weird.
An alternative idea to Time Travel would be Joe causing Eden to crash land and taking her mind out of the shard, and placing her in a human body(well, at least externally) on earth bet to live there for the next 30 years. Maybe then, with a human perspective, she could convince Zion to stop? IDK. It's a shot in the dark.
Thanks for the reminder and I knew I forgot such a list. After something I have to do in a hour I will work on Things Apeiron's Kitchen will not be Involved With Anymore!