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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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When Joe figures out that Flechette is in a cluster with March, he goes over how easy it was to think that she was just a blaster with supporting powers (since they were all in line with her blaster power). So the implication I'm picking up is that the PRT doesn't know. One, because there are PRT erroneous statements about Flechette's powers being all related, and there aren't any credible rumors of her being a cluster trigger. And two, if the PRT knew she was in a cluster, and if they knew she was in a cluster with March, they would have easily picked up on the connection to March's powers going wonky because of the call gem. Instead, the way Flechette and Weld are talking about her seizure is a complete mystery. Their best theory is that it was some weird bomb effect that didn't affect Shadow Stalker or Weld.

Also, getting hyped for the next chapter!
 
Kytigami said:
When Joe figures out that Flechette is in a cluster with March, he goes over how easy it was to think that she was just a blaster with supporting powers (since they were all in line with her blaster power). So the implication I'm picking up is that the PRT doesn't know. One, because there are PRT erroneous statements about Flechette's powers being all related, and there aren't any credible rumors of her being a cluster trigger. And two, if the PRT knew she was in a cluster, and if they knew she was in a cluster with March, they would have easily picked up on the connection to March's powers going wonky because of the call gem. Instead, the way Flechette and Weld are talking about her seizure is a complete mystery. Their best theory is that it was some weird bomb effect that didn't affect Shadow Stalker or Weld.
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Yep, pretty much. As to be exact:
Chapter 62 Summit Consensus said:
And then there was the real point of concern. March's connection with Flechette. The plan she had, her destructive long-term goals, had been dangerous enough, but the threat she posed to Flechette was the kind of thing that could compromise the safety of the multiverse. And the reason for that threat was clear.

Well, fairly clear. It was a high confidence theory with the backing of my passenger and supported by Survey's extensive analysis. I doubt I would have stumbled on it if not for her visit the previous day. That casual use of her power playing out in front of all of my sensor systems, revealing the titanic amount of power that sat behind her blaster effect.

It was a staggering amount, beyond what even my sensors could fully quantify. The kind of power that could bring down anything, blow through any defense, stop any opponent. The kind of power I had seen before and first hand.

Cluster triggers. It was the kind of thing that would have been easy to miss. Flechette had multiple powers, but her supporting powers involved accuracy and the 'timing' of her shots. It was something that was close enough to the primary intent of a ranged blaster cape that it could have been dismissed as a supporting secondary power, not evidence of additional connections.
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The PRT have Flechette on only console rn due to the random seizures while they figure it out, because they don't know why that happened. Considering the distance from C69 and that she was the only one affected by things, they have concluded it to be a separate issue, despite no obvious cause.
And yeah; The bomb theory is also a possibility because Weld is made of metal, and Shadow Stalker was probably in her Breaker state at the time, possibly also giving her immunity. Only problem is that there was no bomb found, but then again there was no time for extensive searching.
Kytigami said:
Also, getting hyped for the next chapter!
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Chubster Interlude time!
 
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Lokpik89 said:
Question about Joe's ability to teach, he can teach someone any of his perks? If so am I the only one who hopes he teaches the Undersiders evermore alchemy (bitches dogs with glory girl force fields or the haste ability he used against Oni Lee. Hell Rachel if she gets her aura unlocked she might pull a Ruby and unlock her packs aura. Try to imagine if Brutus or Angelica got something like zweis semblance
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AFAIK, Joe's ability to teach is supernaturally good, but can't teach that can't be taught - i.e. things that are an intrinsic part of him. The reason he can teach people to use Alchemy is that it is explicitly, by fiat, mentioned as teachable.

If he's going to teach the Undersiders anything, it would be meditation and maaaybe the self-defence parts of his martial arts (which Taylor will likely immediately use to dropkick Butcher with or whatnot) as well as giving them a good basic education (university-level, maybe a doctorate or two).

... and now I got a picture of Professor Bitch, growling at her bad students and giving them treats and headscratches if they do well. Of course, no one complains because then they get sent to Professor Khepri who has a very, VERY strict policy about no bullying on campus. And she is always watching. Always.
 
sarf said:
If he's going to teach the Undersiders anything, it would be meditation and maaaybe the self-defence parts of his martial arts (which Taylor will likely immediately use to dropkick Butcher with or whatnot) as well as giving them a good basic education (university-level, maybe a doctorate or two).

... and now I got a picture of Professor Bitch, growling at her bad students and giving them treats and headscratches if they do well. Of course, no one complains because then they get sent to Professor Khepri who has a very, VERY strict policy about no bullying on campus. And she is always watching. Always.
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Apeiron, through a megaphone: "We have you surrounded! Come out and receive several complimentary doctorate level educational courses!"

Tattletale, bawling hysterically and clinging to a light fixture: "But I don't wanna become a useful member of society! I want to rule from the shadows!"

Khepri, trying to lure Tattletale down from the ceiling with several complex logic puzzles: "Think of all the self-owned businesses you could create!"

Regent, who is really regretting his choice of major: "I honestly can't believe we didn't self-destruct within five heists."
 
IronBat said:
So I was viewing the Subnautica Gauntlet jumpchain and I found this little tidbit interesting, "Second, you gain the favor of marine life everywhere. Skittish fish will be friendly, intelligent fish will be helpful, and predatory fish will be ambivalent. Supernatural entities with major ties to water are affected, though results may vary." Would Joe be able to interact with Leviathan with this? Just curious since I don't know if Roust counts gauntlet rewards.
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Katsujinken will be way more interesting.
Katsujinken (Free): Those who follow the path of "Katsujinken" or "life giving fist" hold that the true purpose of martial arts is to protect those who cannot protect themselves and improve the lives of those around them. People who follow this viewpoint view the death of their opponent as tantamount to defeat and shun those who purposefully kill. By embarking on this path, you develop a kind and calm demeanor, capable of setting just about anyone at ease. So long as you hold to this philosophy, you will be able to have a brief but significant dialogue with your opponent before any act of open combat.
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Fiat does not care about the incapability of any participant to have a dialogue. It says there will be dialogue so there will be!
 
AmberSlime said:
would leviathan communicate through water-puppets, pantomime, or somehow growing a mouth just to talk with Apeiron?
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maxwell-lt said:
Who needs any of that when you're an extremely precise macrohydrokinetic? Leviathan could turn the very sea into a speaker.
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I think it only guarantees that Joe will be able to communicate with his enemy, so we can't necessarily assume that everyone else would be able to follow. Or even perceive that the conversation is taking place.

Frankly, by the time that Leviathan hits, Joe might have legitimately been able to establish some form of communication to the Shard System/Dimension directly.

He's already got the Motoroid-ship exploring in there, and the Avid Glove was explicitly able to communicate with The Negotiator already in the Summit.

Everyone that matters already know that Apeiron can tamper with Passengers, the source of Parahuman Powers.

Provided that a person is aware that Passengers are actually sentient/sapient and with their own desires (ie. Want Data), being able to communicate with them is just one conclusion away.
 
LightLan said:
Fiat does not care about the incapability of any participant to have a dialogue. It says there will be dialogue so there will be!
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It's likely to depend onto Leviathan being counted as Alive due to perk being tied to protection of life. And even if it does, a 'dialogue' can be a lot of things, for a wolf a 'growl' likely counts.

But Simurgh likely counts as 'alive' for the purpose of this perk.
 
Mesaphrom said:
Leviathan: I'm Leviathan, and I speak for the sea.

Apeiron: Oh boy
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"Keep killing the reefs and I'll break your fucking knees. What? Wrong Earth? Fuck."


I remember seeing that the Destiny Jumpchain has been lost to time and so it's perks can't be used in the CF ages ago but while looking for perks for my CF add on I found a destiny jump. Was that like a different one or did people just not check reddit for some reason?
 
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AGiantB said:
Eeeeeeeeee

"Keep killing the reefs and I'll break your fucking knees. What? Wrong Earth? Fuck."


I remember seeing that the Destiny Jumpchain has been lost to time and so it's perks can't be used in the CF ages ago but while looking for perks for my CF add on I found a destiny jump. Was that like a different one or did people just not check reddit for some reason?
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Which Destiny Jump? There are like 4 right now and I think more.
 
Mojave Courier said:
Which Destiny Jump? There are like 4 right now and I think more.
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While looking for it I've found that there's at least 6, and the jump I found was the one made by Digi Desperado. Also I might've found the Destiny jump that they were talking about (Made by DOOM-Knight009, there's also one made by an unknown author) and a way to get it back -but the person said that they won't teach it because it violates google use terms so unless anyone knows what that means it's a lost cause, if it helps it's on google drive.
 
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AGiantB said:
"Keep killing the reefs and I'll break your fucking knees. What? Wrong Earth? Fuck."


I remember seeing that the Destiny Jumpchain has been lost to time and so it's perks can't be used in the CF ages ago but while looking for perks for my CF add on I found a destiny jump. Was that like a different one or did people just not check reddit for some reason?
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It is the original Dead Space Jumpdoc, not Destiny that is missing. We have the versions of every jump that was around when the CF V1 came out, save for Dead Space. There was an update to that jump doc since then which is the only one which is the only one we can find, but the perks don't line up because of it. Dead Space isn't a game that Lord has played yet and with him being busy, unless he changed things, it's not on the list for him to add any time soon.
 
AGiantB said:
I remember seeing that the Destiny Jumpchain has been lost to time and so it's perks can't be used in the CF ages ago but while looking for perks for my CF add on I found a destiny jump. Was that like a different one or did people just not check reddit for some reason?
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Well, in terms of the Destiny Jumpchain used in the Forge, it has actually been found. It's just that the perk included is, well, garbage and Lord doesn't want to add (What I mean is stuff that isn't listed in the original Forge Doc, anything that is unavailable to Joe right now is purely based on Lord's lack of knowledge of the setting) anything new to the forge beyond what he has already added (Capstone booster and Personal reality). Maybe in the future, we'll get Destiny perks in the Celestial Forge.
 
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Narsauce said:
Well, in terms of the Destiny Jumpchain used in the Forge, it has actually been found. It's just that the perk included is, well, garbage and Lord doesn't want to add (What I mean is stuff that isn't listed in the original Forge Doc, anything that is unavailable to Joe right now is purely based on Lord's lack of knowledge of the setting) anything new to the forge beyond what he has already added (Capstone booster and Personal reality). Maybe in the future, we'll get Destiny perks in the Celestial Forge.
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What was the perk?
 
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What was the perk?
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Pure art(free all) The visual arts may not be your thing, but that doesn't mean you can't be good at it. With this, you will be able to adorn any object you possess with paint or some other kind of marker and make it look good. You can paint armour, vehicles and weapons. Depending on what you portray, it could evoke different emotions. From fear to inspiration. You must have some skill at drawing or painting, and something to draw or paint with.

Basically, you just do everything better. Unfortunately, it's redundant in the Forge as it is currently. What surprises me is that even in that Jumpchain, there are other perks that would fit better, like The Golden Age drawback reward which would cost 800 but give you access to all Destiny's Golden Age tech, which is as extensive as it is bullshit. And it wasn't included at all.
 
Narsauce said:
Pure art(free all) The visual arts may not be your thing, but that doesn't mean you can't be good at it. With this, you will be able to adorn any object you possess with paint or some other kind of marker and make it look good. You can paint armour, vehicles and weapons. Depending on what you portray, it could evoke different emotions. From fear to inspiration. You must have some skill at drawing or painting, and something to draw or paint with.

Basically, you just do everything better. Unfortunately, it's redundant in the Forge as it is currently. What surprises me is that even in that Jumpchain, there are other perks that would fit better, like The Golden Age drawback reward which would cost 800 but give you access to all Destiny's Golden Age tech, which is as extensive as it is bullshit. And it wasn't included at all.
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There are a lot of perks in the CFv1 source documents that I also feel were missed. The entire Capstone domain are perks from those documents that Lord decided to add in that he feels were missed and he is being highly selective. Some documents were okay, but others like Actraiser I felt like a lot of good crafting perks were skipped needlessly.
 
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