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krzys2000 said:
How so? (I don't know WH40K well)
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For one thing, the Emperor was content to not really do anything big during the DAOT. After all, mankind was at the height of its power and it basically ruled over the galaxy, at least the physical side of it.

It's only after the fall where he decided to take charge and he wasn't even as powerful as he was during the Great Crusade. He still had to go to Molech and get a massive power boost from... something.
 
Mojave Courier said:
To be fair to him, Big E never wanted to rule over mankind but dire circumstances require dire measures. Plus, we have no idea what actually happened on Molech. The only one that says Big E made a deal with the Chaos Gods is a daemon, a source that isn't exactly the best source of info.
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That, and his story was retconed so many times that I literally don't know what his backstory is anymore.

It reminds me of the Joker, his back ground is multiple choice. o_O
 
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You know, if aperion gets a hold on to a piece of endbringer and sufficiently analyses it, could he not simply perform Human Transmutation with a Phil stone made with his own stone and just open a Gate and chuck the Endbringer into Truth? I'm imagining a massive sky alchemy circle, sorta like
Louisoix sealing Bahamut at the Battle of Carteneau but actually successful, leading into the giant sky Gate like in FMA's finale. No need to fight an Endbringer if you can just 'porrtal' it away
 
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insertname099 said:
ou know, if aperion gets a hold on to a piece of endbringer and sufficiently analyses it
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In such case he will simply use a countercraft.
Something like a 'dimensional shenanigans collapsing bullet', a shot which collapses all those dimensionally layered material onto itself in an adjusted to Bet dimension should be within Joe's reach (Endbringer will simply collapse onto itself). But treating Enbringers like Naruto-world treats Tailed beasts probably also an option.
 
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Who are all the capes that have had their powers effected or altered by the destruction/use of the call beads and the call gem? The two instances where capes have been exposed to call beads/gems were when Bakuda damaged the call bead in the motorroid and the other was March destroying the call gem during the Ungodly Hour. These beads/gems have caused capes to have changes happen with their powers. If possible I'd like a list of all capes who's powers have been altered by the breaking of call beads/call gems and how each of their powers have been altered because of it.

Also does Joe still use call beads in any of his technology? Or are all the call beads he has left locked away somewhere? I imagine March is trying to figure out a way to get into Apireon's lair in order to get more call beads to try and fix herself.
 
BigsDragon said:
Who are all the capes that have had their powers effected or altered by the destruction/use of the call beads and the call gem? The two instances where capes have been exposed to call beads/gems were when Bakuda damaged the call bead in the motorroid and the other was March destroying the call gem during the Ungodly Hour. These beads/gems have caused capes to have changes happen with their powers. If possible I'd like a list of all capes who's powers have been altered by the breaking of call beads/call gems and how each of their powers have been altered because of it.
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I honestly think the power changes might be based on proximity, or perhaps a result of all of Joe's quality enhancers. As far as I recall nobody was looking right at the motoroid when it crashed in the storage yard.

As far as I know, the only capes who have experienced changes are Triumph and Glory Girl, both of whom were very close to a shattered call bead.
 
I think the only parahumans with altered powers from the call beads were Triumph and Glory Girl, who ended up in the Firmament. Plus March technically, though she's basically a zombie being piloted by the three shards in her cluster now.
Khepri also got a better connection to QA during the storage yard fight, but I think that was the seizure bomb instead of the call bead. A similar thing happened in canon after she was hit with the pain bomb, and was able to hear through her bugs for the first time.
 
So I was viewing the Subnautica Gauntlet jumpchain and I found this little tidbit interesting, "Second, you gain the favor of marine life everywhere. Skittish fish will be friendly, intelligent fish will be helpful, and predatory fish will be ambivalent. Supernatural entities with major ties to water are affected, though results may vary." Would Joe be able to interact with Leviathan with this? Just curious since I don't know if Roust counts gauntlet rewards.
 
maxwell-lt said:
I think the only parahumans with altered powers from the call beads were Triumph and Glory Girl, who ended up in the Firmament. Plus March technically, though she's basically a zombie being piloted by the three shards in her cluster now.
Khepri also got a better connection to QA during the storage yard fight, but I think that was the seizure bomb instead of the call bead. A similar thing happened in canon after she was hit with the pain bomb, and was able to hear through her bugs for the first time.
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The thing with Taylor I speculate to because of with the bomb and the bead. Glory Girl and Triumph I remember and I don't count March. But I could've sworn there were more capes effected. For example, I believe Manpower said that his power felt different then usual; were all of New Wave effected because of their connection with Glory Girl.
For the most part I know who was effected what I'd like to know how their powers were effected. Specially the four I mentioned in this post but also any others if you can think of them.
 
I think the Manpower thing happened as a result of the Gundum Field, not Joe's tech. And I get the feeling we'll see something from Flechette soon. She mentioned a Migraine in earlier chapters.
 
sarf said:
The only way I'd be comfortable with the Endbringers is to use FMA on them and turn them into Philosopher's Stones.

Remember, while the Laboratorium 40k tech is good, it is apparently not good enough to deal with Bakuda's detonation trigger, and Endbringers are not necessarily less powerful/advanced - in their current, less limited form than usual - than that. Being all gung-ho about 40k is fine, but do remember that Roust has set the bar rather high in his interpretation of Entity tech.

I would expect Washu Tech to win against Entity tech, maybe Strong Spark depending on the area and DAOT/40k on the physics side (barring dimensional shenanigans) . One of the main issues of Joe is that 40k/DAOT level tech presupposes a civilization backing it up, and while Joe can emulate an astounding amount of that, there are some parts that is currently outside his wheelhouse. Specifically for DAOT, I would argue that humanity's psychic field - including an active God Emperor - had a lot to do with why humanity stomped faces during its time, and without that big a psychic field/theotech power to work with, coupled with the issue that Joe is not (yet) on the God Emperor's level, I would go with Joe not just hacking the shards/Endbringers outright.

Of course, I'd also argue that because it would not, to me, be a very good end to the story, but YMMV!
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Endbringers aren't that closely related to Shards though. They might seem powerful but they're basically just artificial Hosts with a effective mass amplifier. Pretty much Tinkertech to the point where the Simurgh could hack Leviathan to make him grow Nanothorn fins.



Also yeah it'd probably be possible to convert any pseudo-mass or dimensional mass-supplying effect into Philosophers Stones since the Film Theory calculated the energy density and mass-conversion of souls in that setting. One source of energy-dense metaphysical material should be as good as any other.
 
BigsDragon said:
The thing with Taylor I speculate to because of with the bomb and the bead. Glory Girl and Triumph I remember and I don't count March. But I could've sworn there were more capes effected. For example, I believe Manpower said that his power felt different then usual; were all of New Wave effected because of their connection with Glory Girl.
For the most part I know who was effected what I'd like to know how their powers were effected. Specially the four I mentioned in this post but also any others if you can think of them.
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Yep Manpower's is cause of being in the field of the gundam particles his power is the same its just reacting to them its like Gully could use her power on the earth dust and likely use it through that but her power is unchanged Manpower's will be the same as always outside of it and he isn't alone in that remember they mentioned testing with Uppercrust's bodyguard cause of his power being similar. Regarding Glory girl and Triumph that's cause of the shardspace overlap in canon ward that stuff tweaked powers it was a thing during the final fight that powers would shift and if you knew what you were doing you could heal yourself in shardspace.
 
famfrit said:
Yep Manpower's is cause of being in the field of the gundam particles his power is the same its just reacting to them its like Gully could use her power on the earth dust and likely use it through that but her power is unchanged Manpower's will be the same as always outside of it and he isn't alone in that remember they mentioned testing with Uppercrust's bodyguard cause of his power being similar. Regarding Glory girl and Triumph that's cause of the shardspace overlap in canon ward that stuff tweaked powers it was a thing during the final fight that powers would shift and if you knew what you were doing you could heal yourself in shardspace.
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You'd almost expect Manpowers ability to be improved by the stable structures of Minovsky Particles. More structure means more leverage after all.
Southern Cross said:
Obviously March didn't really know what she was doing then....
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March probably knew like three contradictory things about what she was doing.
 
maxwell-lt said:
Her powers were disrupted during March's Adventure in Shardspace, but I don't think anyone has made the connection. Is it widely known that May and Lily are in the same cluster?
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It's not, clusters tend to be private things and not common knowledge by itself, this tend to be from peculiars Ones, the PRT and any organization with a good footing in the Parahuman world knows what a Grab Bag Cape means but as why most don't try to bring up trigger events they mostly don't investigate it.
 
Luckyplucky21 said:
It's not, clusters tend to be private things and not common knowledge by itself, this tend to be from peculiars Ones, the PRT and any organization with a good footing in the Parahuman world knows what a Grab Bag Cape means but as why most don't try to bring up trigger events they mostly don't investigate it.
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I dont think Lily even knows that March is a cluster cape with her. She doesnt seem to know why March is so fixated on her.
 
Does the PRT or Protectorate have ways of knowing if any of their Wards are in a cluster pack? I feel like that would be important in knowing if their teenagers are safe
 
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