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Advice and Trust [NGE]

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Ranma-sensei said:
Hello, my friend. We were told you think that you are sane.

You see those two burly gentlemen behind me? They would like to talk to you.
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Dear sir, please warn those gentlemen that if they want to do anything other than talk to me, I will be responding with deadly force.
Boxing and savate.
 
You just have to view Rebuild as a cautionary tale against kicking reason to the curb and doing the impossible in Eva.

You don't get to throw around galaxies, but instead people die.
 
Lord Sovereign said:
From what I can gather the Rebuilds were on a good path up until 3.33. I don't know what in the Emperor's name persuaded Anno to do what he did with that travesty of a movie, but surely 4.0...sorry 3.0+1.0 (what the hell happened to the naming system!?) can't be any worse?

Can it?

On a side note...what do you think will happen in the "final" rebuild movie. I would hope for a solid and conclusive ending, but I reckon that's quite beyond Hideaki Anno's capability.
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I still haven't seen 3.33 yet...

But I'm getting the strong impression that 3.33 is when the makers revealed they had no idea what they were doing.

Apparently, they did have a plan with the first Rebuild movie - just re-tell the anime, but with a different ending - but when they saw the fan reaction to Rebuild they decided to make an all new plot.

Problem is, they couldn't seem to come up with what sort of plot to make. 2.22's script went through multiple rewrites.

(This is all secondhand info, so take it with a metric ton of salt).
 
Iuvenal said:
Side note: I am curious which interview @Strypgia was referring to when he said Shinji and Asuka were meant to be perfect for each other but kept apart by their trauma. All I've found re: their intended relationship at the outset is an interview with Sadomoto stating their relationship was meant to match that of Nadia and Jean in Nadia of the Blue Water.
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Argh. I read that bit about.... gah, over a year and a half ago, nearly two. I think I started chasing the trail that led to that from TV Tropes, but I'm not sure. I'll put it up here if I can find it again.
 
akrasiel23 said:
If there is any good on this massive hiatus for the reveal of 3.0 + 1.0 is that they will probably try to have some narrative cohesion with the story they have told so far and at least make some sense where they need to.
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That's the hope anyway, just like the hope that the rumors are true that Rebuild will have a lighter ending than EoE... though, given the mind-fuckery that was 3.33, I think anything will seem lighter in comparison, even if when analyzed on it's own turns out to be just as bittersweet as EoE... Unless they decide to just kill the whole cast and the rest of the world off Space Runaway Ideon style!
 
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Cae Lumis said:
That the hope anyway, just like the hope that the rumors are true that Rebuild will have a lighter ending than EoE... though, given the mind-fuckery that was 3.33, I think anything will seem lighter in comparison, even if when analyzed on it's own turns out to be just as bittersweet as EoE... Unless they decide to just kill the whole cast and the rest of the world off Space Runaway Ideon style!
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Well, who knows, if the thing the spears is done right they might be able to return the world to its pre-Second Impact state (minus the tilted axis).
 
akrasiel23 said:
Well, who knows, if the thing the spears is done right they might be able to return the world to its pre-Second Impact state (minus the tilted axis).
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Ugh... The Lance of fracking Cassius..... it's bad enough you have to sift through the side notes to figure out the deal with the Lance of Longinus (I refuse to use the term Spear btw on grounds of alliteration sounding better. Though if you must split hairs and nitpick, both names are valid due to etymology, we got Spear from the Old English Spere, which in turn came from Germanic Roots, while Lance is derived from the Latin Lancea, which btw is used in the Lance of Longinus's Latin name, Lancea Longini! So, ergo, I refuse to use Spear :D... but I digress), but the Lances of Cassius are at best ill defined in their role and purpose in existing while the Lance of Longinus is for the most part clear to understand (control rods for the Seeds of Life to keep them in check.) the Lances of Cassius are... well... a headache to deduce their reason for existing.

Dear God... Im gonna have to address the Lances of Cassius in ReSynch... won't I? *Prays 4.0 will come out before then to offer answers, otherwise the Lances will be removed from the story*
 
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Cae Lumis said:
That's the hope anyway, just like the hope that the rumors are true that Rebuild will have a lighter ending than EoE... though, given the mind-fuckery that was 3.33, I think anything will seem lighter in comparison, even if when analyzed on it's own turns out to be just as bittersweet as EoE... Unless they decide to just kill the whole cast and the rest of the world off Space Runaway Ideon style!
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I hope that they'll go back on their plans and make the final movie into two. Otherwise, the plot is going to feel rushed and probably make little sense no matter how they try to handle it.
 
Cae Lumis said:
Ugh... The Lance of fracking Cassius..... it's bad enough you have to sift through the side notes to figure out the deal with the Lance of Longinus (I refuse to use the term Spear btw on grounds of alliteration sounding better. Though if you must split hairs and nitpick, both names are valid due to etymology, we got Spear from the Old English Spere, which in turn came from Germanic Roots, while Lance is derived from the Latin Lancea, which btw is used in the Lance of Longinus's Latin name, Lancea Longini! So, ergo, I refuse to use Spear :D... but I digress), but the Lances of Cassius are at best ill defined in their role and purpose in existing while the Lance of Longinus is for the most part clear to understand (control rods for the Seeds of Life to keep them in check.) the Lances of Cassius are... well... a headache to deduce their reason for existing.

Dear God... Im gonna have to address the Lances of Cassius in ReSynch... won't I? *Prays 4.0 will come out before then to offer answers, otherwise the Lances will be removed from the story*
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Well, if it makes you feel better, Cassius and Longinus are thought to belong to the same person. Now, if memory doesn't fail me, there is only one Lance of Cassius in the tetralogy instead of the copiable Lance of Longinus. What would the Lance of Cassius do? No idea, but it might have something to do with the key of Nebuchadnezzar, which I guess is meant to be a parallel to the key of Solomon (or be the same thing, only with a different name).
 
akrasiel23 said:
Well, if it makes you feel better, Cassius and Longinus are thought to belong to the same person. Now, if memory doesn't fail me, there is only one Lance of Cassius in the tetralogy instead of the copiable Lance of Longinus. What would the Lance of Cassius do? No idea, but it might have something to do with the key of Nebuchadnezzar, which I guess is meant to be a parallel to the key of Solomon (or be the same thing, only with a different name).
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Fair enough, it might make sense if the Lance of Cassius is Lilith's personal Lance, though the reference to the Key of Solomon throws me off given as far as I'm aware the term was never used in NGE, and due to my other stories I have in the backlog I know what the Key of Solomon is. However, I personally think the Key of Nebuchadnezzar was meant to tie into a dropped concept from Rebuild 2.0/ 3.0, which I think was call The Gates of Babylon. According to the rough drafts, what we thought were the Doors of Guf in rebuild were intact meant to be this new idea (currently trying to cite my sources, I think I had read it on Evageeks somewhere, though my memory is failing me), but then when 3.0 came out, they simply dropped the idea.
 
Cae Lumis said:
Fair enough, it might make sense if the Lance of Cassius is Lilith's personal Lance, though the reference to the Key of Solomon throws me off given as far as I'm aware the term was never used in NGE, and due to my other stories I have in the backlog I know what the Key of Solomon is. However, I personally think the Key of Nebuchadnezzar was meant to tie into a dropped concept from Rebuild 2.0/ 3.0, which I think was call The Gates of Babylon. According to the rough drafts, what we thought were the Doors of Guf in rebuild were intact meant to be this new idea (currently trying to cite my sources, I think I had read it on Evageeks somewhere, though my memory is failing me), but then when 3.0 came out, they simply dropped the idea.
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I don't think they dropped it completely, Gendo is seen carrying the briefcase that Kaji gave him back in 2,22 after Fuyutsuki gives Shinji the reibomb.
 
akrasiel23 said:
I don't think they dropped it completely, Gendo is seen carrying the briefcase that Kaji gave him back in 2,22 after Fuyutsuki gives Shinji the reibomb.
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Ignoring the Yui Ayanami debacle, that is the single scene that I think they did well. The way Shinji stumbles through Nerv after receiving that final blow gave me chills.
 
Turing Decidable said:
Ignoring the Yui Ayanami debacle, that is the single scene that I think they did well. The way Shinji stumbles through Nerv after receiving that final blow gave me chills.
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I also liked the bit that showed how thinking that he saved Rei 2 was akin to an escapism or a cushion to deal with his actions, take that away and the full reality of having killed and destroyed so much for nothing was bound to break him.
 
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