The Englanderish
Schrödinger's Kuudere Kitty Caliph(a)
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Advice and Trust [NGE]
Epsilon Rose
The King of Unrest
Ok. Seriously, that is getting annoying. Please stop.
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Personally, I suspect it depends on the member. It's entirely possible that some are true believers, while others are self-serving hypocrites.
The Englanderish
Schrödinger's Kuudere Kitty Caliph(a)
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That's not how DNA works.
In any case, given the sheer resemblance, I think it's fairly likely that Rei has a lot of Yui's DNA.
Although this topic does seem to go in cycles on this thread... so it may be worth checking the threadmarks for more in-depth insight. At the end of the day, most of the arguments about Rei's genetics always end up sounding like nothing more than convenient excuses to me.
akrasiel23
A wraith no more
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Let's just say that she has more than enough of Yui's DNA to be considered Shinji's half-sister. And yes, they are attempts to lessen the fact that Rei is close family of Shinji by blood and not run into the wall of problems that implies, hell even in the movies proper he does make the relation once he sees a picture of Yui and her last name is changed from Ikari to Ayanami.
Ranma-sensei
Sorcerer
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That never happened, and I refuse to acknowledge any source you may cite.
Rokubungi took her name, and that's final.
GhanjRho
Acanthus
My personal fanon wrt to the origin of the name Ayanami is that it was Yui's mother's maiden name, and the male line was wiped out in the aftermath of Second Impact.That never happened, and I refuse to acknowledge any source you may cite.
Rokubungi took her name, and that's final.
Ranma-sensei
Sorcerer
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Huh. I could have sworn that's almost spot-on, but a quick search of the wiki doesn't turn up any results.
Meh, maybe I should go back to bed.
It may be so, or it may be not the case. I don't exactly remember how much of human's genetic code is responsible for personal appearance, but the percentage is minimal.
However, Gendo being the bastard he is, it's entirely possible for Rei to be 99% Yui, 1% angel.
You are forgetting soul magic that keep bodies in desired shape and state.
When you are given "soul magic did it" as excuse in canon, you use it.
Oh it's not how DNA works in real life, I'll grant you. (Except as I mentioned using segregate eggs from another person)
But this is EVA. Where they used DNA from LILITH in Rei's making. Lilith. The angel goo thing. That made literally EVERY living thing on Earth. All in that mix.
I just was asking "So what DID that do to what would otherwise be Shinji's sister?" ...wait, was Rei meant to be his sister, or his mother's clone? Which would make Rei his mother's half-sister...
Seriously, I don't even remember if she was his mom's clone or his half-sister. I've seen both referenced in fiction.
Exact relation is unknown but when Gendo talk about Unit 01 rejecting Dummy Plug he talk about "rejecting your own flesh" so she may have been intended to be clone (which makes some sense with all those soulless Rei bodies being perfect vessels to use for Yui's soul) but addition of angel DNA (proportions unknown but she can lower her AT Field to level where her body starts breaking down) and having what could be seen as two parents make things difficult.
M. H. Fuzzball
Aperture Science-certified Horrible Person
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Since she has half of Yui's DNA (theoretically), and the other half isn't Gendo's, that would make her technically Shinji's half-sister. But I'm kinda fuzzy on the details of Rei's creation.
The Englanderish
Schrödinger's Kuudere Kitty Caliph(a)
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No, I mean DNA literally doesn't work like that. It's literally not possible for DNA to take on pretzel form. There are intermolecular co-ordination forces between the polarised constituents - such as nitrogen and oxygen - and hydrogen constituents that very firmly define the shape and arrangement.
Although incest excuses are also unsupported from a DNA standpoint...
[Edit]: I made a more Eva-themed version!
Although incest excuses are also unsupported from a DNA standpoint...
Yes.
[Edit]: I made a more Eva-themed version!
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Iuvenal
Desperanda tibi salua concordia socru
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Never stated in the series or Gainax/Khara supplemental material. Here goes what should be my last post on this subject in this thread, since I have already revisited it too many times and I feel bad for shitting up Stryp's story thread:
Info on Rei's lineage and relationships wrt. NGE canon
In NGE proper, we hear that Yui Ikari was the "primary donor" for the cloning project that became Rei. We also see an image on Yui's wedding invitation of a stylized angel which looks like Rei, and hear that Yui's naming plans for her child were Shinji if it's a boy and Rei if it's a girl. We hear that Rei had Lilith's soul put in her through a salvaging process that isn't explained.
In the "Red Cross Book" that Gainax handed out to folks who viewed EoE in theaters, it is stated that Rei was cloned "from the salvaged remains of Yui Ikari".
In the Confidential Information section of one of the Eva games (which Anno was interviewed extensively for), it is stated that Rei was "copied from Yui's flesh".
In a 1997 interview, Anno had this exchange:
Anno: Yes. [Murakami's "Ai to Gensou no Fascism"] is a story of the Oedipus Complex, where one kills one's father and violates one's mother. However, when I started [Eva], I thought the same [way]. Because it [was] a story where Shinji kills his father and steals his mother from him.
Takekuma: A mother who has become a giant (laughs).
Anno: There was this replacement by a robot, so the original mother is the robot, but then there is a mother of the same age, Rei Ayanami, by [Shinji's] side. [She is] also by the side of the real father. There is also another father there, Adam, who governs the overall course of events. An Oedipus Complex within these multiple structures; that's what I wanted to do. "Ai to Genso no Fascism." I think there are ideological elements that are the same as those in the novel. [...] The thing that most moved me was [the fact that] when the protagonist, Toji Suzuhara, attempted to kill the current Prime Minister, he felt [the Prime Minister] was very much like a father. He thinks, I will kill my father, and violate my mother, Japan. So, he goes on to destroy Japan. I really like that passage. I like that Ryu Murakami's real feelings come out there. The novel itself is extremely boring, however (laughs).
Information pertinent to other canons:
In the (separate?) Rebuild canon, I believe Fuyutsuki states outright that Rei is a clone of Yui somewhere during 3.33. This is besides the maiden name shenanigans.
In the separate SIRP canon, Rei is stated to be a cousin from Yui's side of the family. This is distinct from the NGE Episode 26 AU which SIRP is supposed to be based on, where Shinji appears to be totally unfamiliar with Rei when she is introduced.
In the separate "Angelic Days" canon, Rei is unrelated to Shinji (it's a different manga that was also inspired by the Ep 26 AU via the GoS2 game, I think - there are so many spinoffs that I find it hard to keep them straight).
Side note: I am curious which interview @Strypgia was referring to when he said Shinji and Asuka were meant to be perfect for each other but kept apart by their trauma. All I've found re: their intended relationship at the outset is an interview with Sadomoto stating their relationship was meant to match that of Nadia and Jean in Nadia of the Blue Water.
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That's exactly it. Theoretically.
It's never 50/50 distribution. Not ever. It doesn't work that way.
Finally. Someone else who sees!
Rebuild isn't canon in my eyes. Especially 3.33. They fucked up big time.
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I'm sorry. But much like Star Wars fans trying to claim one thing or another isn't canon, this was canon. For that release.
So there's at least one release where Rei is a clone of Shinji's mom who's been spliced with Angel DNA. Glad to know I'm not completely lost there. Shame it just muddies up the water like that.
The Englanderish
Schrödinger's Kuudere Kitty Caliph(a)
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My outlook on both Rebuild and Disney's new Star Wars is pretty much the same: It may be canon, but I no longer care about it or follow it.
Lord Sovereign
The Emperor of shitty fanfic
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From what I can gather the Rebuilds were on a good path up until 3.33. I don't know what in the Emperor's name persuaded Anno to do what he did with that travesty of a movie, but surely 4.0...sorry 3.0+1.0 (what the hell happened to the naming system!?) can't be any worse?
Can it?
On a side note...what do you think will happen in the "final" rebuild movie. I would hope for a solid and conclusive ending, but I reckon that's quite beyond Hideaki Anno's capability.
Can it?
On a side note...what do you think will happen in the "final" rebuild movie. I would hope for a solid and conclusive ending, but I reckon that's quite beyond Hideaki Anno's capability.
Ranma-sensei
Sorcerer
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The only solution I will accept is that all the Rebuild movies were in Shinji's mind during Instrumentality.
Why do you all just not accept that every + movie was just a "We want your cash" attempt, and you fed them.
People paid for 3.33 as well, after all.
People paid for 3.33 as well, after all.
Iuvenal
Desperanda tibi salua concordia socru
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This reminds me, I meant to write something about two weeks ago (didn't decide whether it would be an omake here or a stand-alone comedy piece) that touches on this... unique naming scheme.
akrasiel23
A wraith no more
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It's meant to reflect the :| sign for End, Repeat and probably means it will borrow the main thematics of 1,0 and 3,0.
Why do you all just not accept that every + movie was just a "We want your cash" attempt, and you fed them.
People paid for 3.33 as well, after all.
That's why I always torrent before buying.
And yes, I own NGE DVDs, but Rebuild? Who in the sane mind would buy it?
