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I always thought SEELE to be a combination of those two factors, due to the following reasoning.
Point A; they're politicians (of sorts), that means that they must have ideals that they themselves consider to be righteous and good.
I believe this to be the case because I, in general, believe that politics is an exhausting job, which you can't hold onto unless you've got some motivations that are bigger than yourself.

Now, that being said, Point B; these are ruthless men, whom saw the world and humanity at the pinnacle of it's achievements fall apart into chaos and destruction, that has to make an impact (sorry) on one's life.
They saw what they most disliked, and had the opportunity to undo that (I believe).
But they became both disillusioned with the post-impact world and society, that they'd attempt to 'make humanity better', which gradually devolved into visions of personal godhood, and an contempt for humanity resulting in the familiair secrecy of the organisation which calls itself the 'Soul' of humanity.

In the end... *refreshes* it's exactly as Turing Decidable says.
 
Strypgia said:
That's quite enough grammar debate, please. Let's get back to plot speculation, or at least something Evangelion related please?
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Can I please at least squeeze in a pun about "One posted at Sufficient Velocity" before we more on?

Maglor said:
But they became both disillusioned with the post-impact world and society, that they'd attempt to 'make humanity better', which gradually devolved into visions of personal godhood, and an contempt for humanity resulting in the familiair secrecy of the organisation which calls itself the 'Soul' of humanity.
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The problem there is that they caused the Impact, which means that they had this goal in mind before the Impact ever occurred.
 
Quoting EvaGeeks' wiki:
Classified Information said:
A. Publicly Released Information
Data unavailable.

B. Generally Recognized Information
A secret society that puppets Nerv from the shadows towards the fulfillment of the Human Instrumentality Project. Nerv's financial backing comes almost entirely from them.

C. Confidential Information
An esoteric secret society born during the medieval Dark Ages and originally a religious order. Slowly but surely, they extended their influence, until at last they crushed the final forces of opposition in the mid-20th century and became a latent power with covert rule over human society.

D. In-Depth Information
Upon acquiring the Secret Dead Sea Scrolls, Seele turned once again to a creed that, up to that point, they had considered naught but the pipe dreams of their ancestors. By putting the miracle of divinity, in the form of prophecy, within their sights, they restored the faith. Their dogma is the Path to Adam Kadmon — that is, the approaching of a divinity both ageless and undying.
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I'd say ruling the world comes naturally when you see yourselves as the saviours of mankind.
 
Ranma-sensei said:
Quoting EvaGeeks' wiki:
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From EvaGeeks' page on Seele:
Seele's objectives are greatly expanded upon in the game Neon Genesis Evangelion 2. The Classified Information and the Seele ending of the game discuss a very different form of Instrumentality than seen in the series - Seele intend for Instrumentality to only be for their own council members. Rather than forming a sea of LCL, Seele wish to be merged inside an Evangelion unit with its own S² Engine, after destroying the Spear of Longinus. By placing their own souls within the body of a godlike being, and destroying the only weapon that can harm the body, they would effectively create an immortal God with human soul which would represent the pinnacle of human existence.
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Conversely, from the Classified Information page:
Canonicity Warning: It is worth noting that this piece of CI information comes close to contradicting Seele's stated goal in The End of Evangelion of uniting all life as one in Complementation. However, it is not implausible that Seele have somehow reserved a special place for themselves in Instrumentality, or believe they have done so. That said, a certain degree of caution is advised on this point.
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Lord Sovereign said:
By your command!

Now then...as a question to you all, do you think SEELE want Third Impact to happen because "A", they want to rule the world forever and crap, or "B", they truly believe they are doing the right and necessary thing?
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I think Kihl wants it to happen because he expects to die in about five minutes and he'd prefer to live on in some fashion than find out what's actually in the afterlife.
 
Last I heard, fanon was that Keel should have died years ago and is still going by virtue of a metric fuckton of medical equipment. Look at his "visor" when he gets tanged. That shit was inside his head.
 
The Englanderish said:
I am genuinely interested as to what people assume about me.
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Your preferred pronoun is "They" and your gender is "Intelligent spiderbot"
(This is my default assumption when dealing with people on the internet. )
MisterHalt said:
I can't remember where exactly I heard it, but a teacher once told me that 'guys', as in 'hey you guys', was considered gender neutral.
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Well, in Spanish, the masculine form of the second- and third-person plurals can be used to refer to a group of mixed (grammatical) gender or one consisting solely of males, while the female forms of those pronouns can only be used when referring to a group consisting solely of females. Granted, Spanish has very few gender-neutral words, and the only one I can think off the top of my head is eso, which gets used in exactly one context, namely "¿Qué es eso?", which translates roughly as "What is that?" but contains an extra level of confusion, because it indicates that the speaker doesn't even have a clue what pronoun to use for the object they are talking about.

Oh right! Plot speculation so that Stryp does not get mad.

Umm. Something bad is going to happen, the pilots will do something adorable together and slowly work through their issues while mutually supporting one another, there will be running gags about Pen-Pen being far smarter than he seems and Kensuke being an accidental ladykiller. And Gendo is a dick.

Waitaminute, that describes a lot of what's happened so far. Ah well. Carry on then, I await the next twist.
 
Can you guys give it a rest? I don't fancy having a 120mm pointed at my face.

On topic, Strypgia, I am interested as to when Rei will finally tell Shinji and Asuka her secret - it could be a great bonding moment.
 
Ranma-sensei said:
On topic, Strypgia, I am interested as to when Rei will finally tell Shinji and Asuka her secret - it could be a great bonding moment.
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"No Shinji, I... am your sister."
"No! No! That's not true! That's impossible!"
"Search the episodes; you know it to be true."
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
 
Wait, we know that the Angels wanted to meld with Adam. Adam had been forced into stasis, and sealed in a block of bakelite, and been hidden behind some kind of containment, or else the Angels would have attacked NERV Berlin, and not NERV Tokyo. I forget, did SEELE know about Lilith, or not? If they didn't know about Lilith, where did they imagine the the LCL was coming from? If Lilith was secret, SEELE expected that the "Black Moon" alone would be enough of a target?

The Lance was required by SEELE's scenario, which is why Gendo took the opportunity zo have Rei get rid of it, ostensibly as a last resort against the Angel.

If the SEELE Council did want to join themselves into an EVA, wouldn't they have to be present at the "Ceremony"? In EoE though, they sent the MP, and were presumably simply waiting for the world to end...
 
Turing Decidable said:
As the designated Star Wars expert, you get to give Rei a Sith Lord name. Get cracking!
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I went the full nine yards plus extra:

Rei Ayanami: Darth Oedipic, Lord of Stoicism

Shinji Ikari: Darth Psychosia, Lord of Isolation

Asuka Langley Soryu: Darth Teuton, Lord of Anger

Misato Katsuragi: Darth Traumatus, Lord of Silence

Pen2​: Darth Spheniscer, Lord of Cunning

Ryoji Kaji: Darth Intriguant, Lord of Truth

Ritsuko Akagi: Darth Biomechan, Lord of Delusion

Toji Suzuhara: Darth Amputian, Lord of Victims

Hikari Horaki: Darth Represen, Lord of Order

Kensuke Aida: Darth Otakuta, Lord of Infatuation

Mari Illustrious Makinami: Darth Reconstruc, Lord of Irrelevance

Kozo Fuyutsuki: Darth Compliciter, Lord of Abetting

Maya Ibuki: Darth Senpaia, Lord of Obedience

Shigeru Aoba: Darth Pessimus, Lord of Defeat

Makoto Hyuga: Darth Technetian, Lord of Intellectuality

Mana Kirishima: Darth Kyborger, Lord of Battle

Mayumi Yamagishi: Darth Sacrifant, Lord of Obscurity

Keel Lorenz: Darth Geheimlich, Lord of Secrecy

Naoko Akagi: Darth Seppukuto, Lord of Suicide

Gendo Ikari: Darth Instrumentalis, Lord of Abandonment

Yui Ikari: Darth Evangelical, Lord of Abuse​

Btw, I've plotted out all 17 angels for Harmonic Bending A.V.A.T.A.R.
 
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The Englanderish said:
"No Shinji, I... am your sister."
"No! No! That's not true! That's impossible!"
"Search the episodes; you know it to be true."
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Point of order!

Half-sister, with mutated DNA twisted like a pretzel to make the resultant clone look like his mother.

Maybe not even that, depending on what Lilith contributed to the child. For example, we can create a baby from two people using a third person's egg, that egg does not contribute to the resulting child.

What part of who's DNA made Rei?
 
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