Oh, yes. Mari. Such a waste of a character slot; I'll join the majority in saying that she could use some love. Or a purpose.
I don't remember her being in ND, though. Is my bad memory acting up again or does she only appear in the Rebuild?

I'll see how I manage to pull her off when I get around to using her, myself. :confused:
 
I would actually be interested in discusssing Mari's character and how her non-canon appearances (in fanfic or in doujinshi) give her much more characterization than her canon appearances ever do in the main Evangelion thread.

No, no. Ozpin and Qrow are the sanest things.

Most insane is Winter's constant. Unceasing. Gainaxing.
Wait, she doesn't... oh fuck, now I can't unsee it. Whyyyyyyyyyy? Why would you do that?
... I don't get it. Can someone explain to me what I'm missing? I don't know much about RWBY.
 
I would actually be interested in discusssing Mari's character and how her non-canon appearances (in fanfic or in doujinshi) give her much more characterization than her canon appearances ever do in the main Evangelion thread.



... I don't get it. Can someone explain to me what I'm missing? I don't know much about RWBY.
Ozpin is a character that doesn't give a shit, he just manipulates things while drinking coffee. Qrow simply spends every waking minute drunk rather than take things seriously.

Winter gainaxes. A whole lot. For reasons that I frankly have not yet been able to discern.
 
I don't remember her being in ND, though. Is my bad memory acting up again or does she only appear in the Rebuild?
She was taken over being Rhamiel's conscience. When it was destroyed, her soul fled into its core (or maybe Rami shoved her in beforehand).

Bottom line is, she's got unholy amounts of firepower without an Evangelion; and she shouldn't be stuffed into an Adamite being, anyway.

Addendum: And the Israfim call her 'Rami' and see her as one of them.
 
She was taken over being Rhamiel's conscience. When it was destroyed, her soul fled into its core (or maybe Rami shoved her in beforehand).

Bottom line is, she's got unholy amounts of firepower without an Evangelion; and she shouldn't be stuffed into an Adamite being, anyway.

Addendum: And the Israfim call her 'Rami' and see her as one of them.

Oh, yes. I remember now, thanks; It's been a while since I read ND past Chapter 10/11. :p
 
I too seem to remember something about him being in therapy during the production of Evangelion.
IIRC, the last few episodes came about because he made a breakthrough in his therapy, and wanted to share it with everyone. The negative reactions to this supposedly hurt/offended him so much that the End of Evangelion movies happened.
 
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IIRC, the last few episodes cam e about because he made a breakthrough in his therapy, and wanted to share it with everyone. The negative reactions to this supposedly hurt/offended him so much that the End of Evangelion movies happened.
And the series originally had a happy ending... Well, less bitter sweet than EoE
 
It happens in the third season when she's introduced

In every instance in which she appears. If you just watch the episodes normally, you can't miss it.
Just took a look at a "Qrow vs. Winter" video, and... well, indeed she gainaxes one time despite very little to no movement that would cause such bouncing. It's like she's not even wearing a bra... yet her outfit looks restrictive enough that even without a bra there should be no bounce from such little movement anyway.
 
IIRC, the last few episodes came about because he made a breakthrough in his therapy, and wanted to share it with everyone. The negative reactions to this supposedly hurt/offended him so much that the End of Evangelion movies happened.
I thought the last few episodes happened because their budget ran out.
Both, IIRC. The content is because he made a breakthrough. The look is because they had no budget. DaR and EoE are his response to the fans hating those episodes.
 
Both, IIRC. The content is because he made a breakthrough. The look is because they had no budget. DaR and EoE are his response to the fans hating those episodes.
I still maintain that the best thing that ever came out of the original ending was Spike Spencer's glorious tirade about the incomprehensible loose ends of the plot. While "Fly Me To The Moon" plays softly in the background.
 
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I still maintain that the best thing that ever came out of the original ending was Spike Spencer's glorious tirade about the incomprehensible loose ends of the plot. While "Fly Me To The Moon" plays softly in the background.

Reminds me of when I watched a movie by a certain director notorious for unexplained 'tweests' for the first time. One thing Eva's critics have a point on: it's got a ton of unexplained shit.
 
Reminds me of when I watched a movie by a certain director notorious for unexplained 'tweests' for the first time. One thing Eva's critics have a point on: it's got a ton of unexplained shit.
Arguably, that ambiguity surrounding many elements of its plot and characters is what makes the story appealing for many people.

There is, however, a difference between ambiguity in the sense of "this situation could be interpreted in different, but equally valid ways" and the sense of "wait, hold on, this makes no fucking sense".

Evangelion has a fair bit of both, if you ask me.
 
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Winter gainaxes. A whole lot. For reasons that I frankly have not yet been able to discern.
Any woman of sufficient bustiness, such as that of Winter's, will gainax considerably. I have seen it before and it is a matter of what type of supportive clothing she is wearing.

In fact, I think it's interesting that you've only noticed Winter gainaxes. Because Glynda does it as well.

And, if all else fails, please remember that this was originally a Monty Oum production. And Monty loved himself some jumblies. ;)
 
I think the only way this discussion in any way still on-topic is the fact that you ladies and gents keep using the word "Gainaxing". :p

(not speaking officially, mind, just thought it was funny)
 
Arguably, that ambiguity surrounding many elements of its plot and characters is what makes the story appealing for many people.

There is, however, a difference between ambiguity in the sense of "this situation could be interpreted in different, but equally valid ways" and the sense of "wait, hold on, this makes no fucking sense".

Evangelion has a fair bit of both, if you ask me.
There are also different levels of what making sense really means. FLCL, incidentally also by Gainax, is a triumphant example of that. It's plot is incoherence embodied, and yet there is a sort of emotional, dream-like sense to it. We don't really know what's going on, but we feel what's going on. There is an emotional theme there that ties the events together, sucking us in and allowing us to overlook the holes in the actual plot.

NGE is sort like that. It is not a story of the things happening in it, but of Shinji's (And other characters) place in them and the emotions through which he experiences them. The world doesn't end because SEELE machinate for centuries to make it happen, it ends because Shinji says everyone should die.

Shaymalan wants to make stories like that, but he invariably fails to make that emotional thread that will tie the story together and mask the colossal problems the rest of the movie has.
 
And it's me, or do part of her delirium imply that the consciousness inside Unit 00 is Rei I's?

It is Rei I's.

Hmm, has it been decided whether or not Naoko was assassinated for killing Rei I, or that she committed suicide?

She committed suicide.

or at least not on Gendo's side, which at this point is effectively the same thing.

I don't know... Ritsuko is... rather emotionally dependent on the belief that Gendo needs her. That only she knows his secret self, and all that other crap that abused women tell themselves about why everyone telling them to abandon their abusive husbands is wrong.

I am certain that Ritsuko would choose Gendo over Rei, heck there are hints she views Rei as a rival and threat to her relationship with Gendo. I expect she would also choose Gendo over Misato. I just don't think that anything happening to Rei will get through to Ritsuko. Not because Ritsuko is malicious, but because she's broken inside, and she has convinced herself emotionally that Gendo is what she needs to feel whole. It will take Gendo rejecting her for her to turn on him.

A more effective way of turning her would be to convince her that she can bind Gendo to her more tightly by doing something different. For example, arguing that not drugging Rei will eliminate Rei as a rival and make Gendo more dependent on her. And unable to recover Yui from the Eva, thus effectively eliminating both of Ritsuko's female rivals for Gendo's affections. It's a crazy argument, based on insane assumptions, but the fact that is more likely to persuade Ritsuko says a lot about her state of mind.

I don't hate Ritsuko. I feel pity for her.

Well, when she gets confronted by Misato about the drugs she also has to consider a bit more than just her feelings about Rei. If she goes, "Oh, well Rei's death wouldn't be much of a problem." she is then confronted with the choice of either letting Misato in on the clone bit, with the entire can of worms that would open, or appearing, to her possibly last friend on this world, like an uncaring monster who would kill a child, who is 1/4th of humanities last chance of survival, through negligence.

Ritsuko isn't a bad manipulator herself, and the person she knows best how to manipulate is Misato. Her most likely response to Misato confronting her about drugging Rei?

"Rei is an angel-human hybrid, developed as way to determine how to control the EVAs when the first two attempts (Shinji and Asuka's mothers) killed the test subjects. We keep her drugged to make sure the angel part of her stays under control. Do you really want an angel without a leash under your command and in control of one of the Evas? Oh? You're angry about how this was kept from you? Well, we thought you'd be resistant to accepting an angel, but she provides 1/3 of our combat force, so if humanity is going to survive we have to use whatever tools we have."

While I doubt that no one, besides Maya and maybe Misato would miss her, (more truthfully Misato would miss the friend she had known in college) she does have information they don't and her turning up dead means someone else who they don't know could turn up to take over her job.

Most likely Maya would take over (like she did in the series). Gendo would not want to inject a stranger into his plans at this point.

I would hazard to say that Evangelion wasn't so much a deconstruction of the Giant Robot genre in specific as much as it was a severely different take on some core anime concepts. Enigmatic girls. Tsunderes. Teenaged protagonists. Giant robots powered by evil science with the power to be a god or a devil.

Umm.... some of those things only became core anime concepts after Evangelion. There is a reason we call them "Rei clones."

Eva is pretty clearly a deconstruction of Mecha anime in particular, and the Hero's Journey in general. Shinji is the classical anti-hero.

Mutter mutter stupid fetish fuel merch maiden with no backstory or point at being in the bloody movie stealing screentime and awesome moments from Best Eva Pilot and her blue-haired rival mutter mutter...

That's how I felt about Mari too. Give us some point to her being in the show.

Frankly I've developed the theory that Rebuild is actually a sequel, and this is all happening during third impact.

Shinji is running away from the reality of third impact so he's created this fantasy alternate reality where he's not a crybaby loser, but instead more of a brooding loner. He's much more put together during Rebuild 1, and then in Rebuild 2 Asuka appears in his idealized image of her. (Explaining why she is nicer and so much cooler). But his mind rebels against this fantasy, identifying it as false, hence everything turning bad and Shinji being at fault and hated by everyone, including Misato in Rebuild 3. Of course Kawrou has to die for him, even though putting the collar on his neck makes no sense except as part of a dream or fantasy.

In this theory I suspect that Mari is Asuka's projection into the fantasy. Since Mari basically teases and flirts with Shinji, makes Asuka look awesome, calls Asuka Princess, and teases Asuka about her affection for Shinji, encouraging a romance between Asuka and Shinji. She could easily be Asuka's inner desires run wild. (Also explains the connection with Kaji, the ability to pilot Unit 2 without switching cores, etc).
 
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Despite that, she was actually one of the elements I miss from the remake. She reminded me rather strongly of my dad's second wife, and the scene where Asuka beats her unconscious with a chair is something I'll always cherish as a result.


Agreed. Even though Asuka's issues became rather shark-jumping towards the end, Kyoko's character development as she realized, and attempted to deal with, the consequences of her crappy parenting was arguably the strongest part of the original version of Nobody Dies.

Not that the version in the Rebuild is bad, her interactions with the rest of the cast are quite enjoyable, but the original character arc was a magnificent thing of the sort I rarely see in stories I pay money for, much less read for free on the internet.
 
There is, however, a difference between ambiguity in the sense of "this situation could be interpreted in different, but equally valid ways" and the sense of "wait, hold on, this makes no fucking sense".

I have literally just finished watching End of Evangelion for the first time. It was... trippy.
 
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