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Advice and Trust [NGE]

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Strypgia said:
Yeah, the total lack of any coastline visible during the battle makes the whole thing crazy. Even if Yokohama proper subsided that far (which would cause a ludicrously huge tsunami), you should still see the rest of the new coastline somewhere in the background of at least one shot.

As it is, I think you're right that the writers just used Yokohama for the pure cool of it, like an American writer would put in some recognizable landmarks like the Hollywood Sign or something in a disaster movie, never mind if it's location or depth would make sense.

1000 words of update done so far. On track to post by Friday.
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Maybe it was an artificial island that got swamped and sank by the tsunami generated by Second Impact?
 
Itsune said:
Yep, that's exactly what they were.

This is the same race, that, during the prohibition era, printed instructions of 'what not to do,' to keep your brick of dehydrated grape concentrate from turning into wine.

Alien invaders, take note:
The easiest way to get the human race to do something is to forbid them to do something.
If you want them to really move on something Post a Guard.
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From Terry Pratchett's Thief of Time:

"Some humans would do anything to see if it was possible to do it. If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry."

Alan Kelson said:
I don't know, I'd say a giant rock is rather impressive. After all, it's a rock and it's giant.
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Oh my god!
 
The most efficient space weapon is a large rock at sufficient velocity. It's Cheap, Durable, and Hard to stop.
 
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It's too bad that the Geofront is not Expendable.
 
ltmauve said:
My first thought was, "throw the geofront at it!"
... I wonder what that says about me?
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I was wondering how an AT field would stand against a six mile rock, but there is a level of collateral damage here that makes people stop screaming. Which kind of Voids the whole Idea.
 
It's been a while and I had some catching up to do here, so this come a bit late, but still I think it should be pointed out.


Strypgia said:
"This contest was over before it began, Tanaka," Asuka almost sneered at her. "You were never good enough for him. He's saved this city even more times than I have. He deserves someone who doesn't just want him as a prize like you do."

"And you'll be any better? You've treated him like your private pet, butler, and chew toy since the day you got here! You foreign bitch, I-"

A firm voice interrupted her. "Asuka has been my wingmate, partner, and friend since the day we met. We killed an Angel together within two hours of meeting each other. I know she's not just trying to 'bag an Evangelion Pilot' because she's one too. And there is no one here who is braver, smarter, or hotter than her, Tanaka-san. And if you'd ever asked me about it at any time in the last three months, I'd have told you so, instead of just ignoring anything I said when I tried to be polite about telling you I wasn't looking for anyone to 'walk home with' or 'go shopping downtown with'. And if you ever call her that again I will not try to stop her at all when she rips your eyes out."
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I don't like this.

It reads like Shinji and Asuka saying they're right for each other because they're just plain better than everyone else, and are lording that fact over the others. They're putting down and threatening kids whose only crime is being shallow teenagers. You could say that Shinji is overreacting, but the narrative seems to agree that him telling Tanaka he'll let Asuka eff her up is totally okay.

To me it just seems a bit petty, you know? Like it crosses the line between "I like these kids and I want them to win" and "I'm vindictive about these kids and it's not enough that they win, everyone who opposed them must lose" and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 
Stargrave said:
They're putting down and threatening kids whose only crime is being shallow teenagers. You could say that Shinji is overreacting, but the narrative seems to agree that him telling Tanaka he'll let Asuka eff her up is totally okay.
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Well, they themselves are teenagers, and teenagers are petty as hell. And Shinji strikes me as the type of guy to find pleasure in torturing his tormentors.
 
@Stargrave: To be honest, Tanaka (and probably many of the others of her ilk that have been alluded to) came across to me as not just a shallow teenager, but the arrogant type that is not above doing the kind of lording-over that you're accusing Shinji and Asuka of doing. In other words, if Shinji and Asuka are lording over those girls, it's just a case of "turnabout is fair play" and "give them a taste of their own medicine", mixed with what Ranma-sensei had pointed out. (Well, minus the part about Shinji enjoying torturing his tormentors; that seems to be only applicable to when he's so pissed or overcome with a battle-induced fight-or-die frenzy that he's no longer capable of/willing to think rationally, a la when fighting Zeruel.)
 
Besides, if Shinji really wanted to be mean, he would ask Rei to do something about Tanaka. And when Rei asks what level and type of damage, just simply state that their Class mates need to remain able to attend School.
 
MarqFJA87 said:
Well, minus the part about Shinji enjoying torturing his tormentors; that seems to be only applicable to when he's so pissed or overcome with a battle-induced fight-or-die frenzy that he's no longer capable of/willing to think rationally, a la when fighting Zeruel.
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Even there, I'd say that Shinji isn't torturing Z.

He's beating the living shit out of Z in a killing frenzy, which is a decidedly different headspace.
 
MarqFJA87 said:
mixed with what Ranma-sensei had pointed out. (Well, minus the part about Shinji enjoying torturing his tormentors; that seems to be only applicable to when he's so pissed or overcome with a battle-induced fight-or-die frenzy that he's no longer capable of/willing to think rationally, a la when fighting Zeruel.)
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Let me clarify: This Shinji (as in, this story's Shinji; as worked on by Asuka) strikes me as the type.
 
The impression I got is that while Asuka is totally the sort to say that her and Shinji are just better than the others, Shinji is mostly just backing her up and fed up with the lack of real respect from them.
 
Ranma-sensei said:
Well, they themselves are teenagers, and teenagers are petty as hell. And Shinji strikes me as the type of guy to find pleasure in torturing his tormentors.
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I can't really agree with that, but even if it's true, that's not really the sort of behavior from him I want to see approved and reinforced.

MarqFJA87 said:
@Stargrave: To be honest, Tanaka (and probably many of the others of her ilk that have been alluded to) came across to me as not just a shallow teenager, but the arrogant type that is not above doing the kind of lording-over that you're accusing Shinji and Asuka of doing. In other words, if Shinji and Asuka are lording over those girls, it's just a case of "turnabout is fair play" and "give them a taste of their own medicine", mixed with what Ranma-sensei had pointed out. (Well, minus the part about Shinji enjoying torturing his tormentors; that seems to be only applicable to when he's so pissed or overcome with a battle-induced fight-or-die frenzy that he's no longer capable of/willing to think rationally, a la when fighting Zeruel.)
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Tanaka does sound unpleasant and arrogant, but she doesn't really do anything bad. She's a sitcom nemesis whose greatest claim to infamy is slightly inconveniencing the main heroes due to circumstances she had no knowledge of. And then getting vomited on by Rei. Just letting her stew in the knowledge that's she's lost would have been enough. This kind of vitriol goes well above and beyond that.

And, you know, even if it was fair play, I'd like my heroes to have higher standards than bratty teenage girls.
 
Stargrave said:
I can't really agree with that, but even if it's true, that's not really the sort of behavior from him I want to see approved and reinforced.
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Is it being approved of? I think it's too soon to say if that behavior comes back to hurt them.
Stargrave said:
And, you know, even if it was fair play, I'd like my heroes to have higher standards than bratty teenage girls.
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I think Asuka and Shinji would be the first people to tell you that they are not larger than life heroes, just average, ordinary, fallible people.
 
To chime in on Stargrave's argument, I'm torn. On one hand, yes, perhaps this is a little too far for what's supposed to be and out-and-out positive moment for our heroes. Though specifically my issue is with Shinji. It's TOTALLY in character for Asuka, flawed as it is.

I'm with Shinji interrupting Tanaka up until the last sentence. Everything else is right: Asuka's been with him almost the entire time, she's his equal, they love and understand each other. And then it turns vaguely threatening against a girl whose worst offense, like Stargrave said, is being annoying and not taking "no" for an answer. Calling Asuka a "foreign bitch" is certainly cause for alarm in Shinji's head, and we're seeing more of that temper pop up directed at Gendo, but I still feel like it's heavy-handed.

EDIT: And now to go back because I can never finish a post without editing it, while I still don't approve of how hostile Shinji becomes, them wanting to "lord it over" their classmates for a few days is more understandable in the light of having to keep it secret and just deal with all of their come-ons.
 
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