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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Violation of Rules 3 & 4 - Not helpful.
*Gets popcorn*
Nothing I love more than people getting butthurt over nothing, and then causing a massive derail into Rape culture of all things, and Politicization of fiction. /s
 
Blonddude42 said:
*Sees mod quoting the GM*
*Sees mod taking a stance against what the GM posted*
*Remembers last time this was seen*
*Keeps seeing new color names at bottom of page*

Well, fingers crossed we don't get a thread lock for a (different) mod to come in.


Actually, do mods always thread lock when they review, or only of they feel the need to?
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Thread locks are used, as I understand, for 'oh look at that escalating dumpster fire', and not merely 'we have received reports'.

Given the speed this is going? Would probably get a lock to review, at a guess. but it's not an always thing.
 
Versharl said:
I'm sorry, sexual politics? Is that some American concept we European poli-scis don't learn about?

Fucking. Define. Your. Concepts.

Nothing you've said there has in any way convinced me that the story is political in nature or that it has a political message. The main message in the story is "Girl, watch the fuck out for strange men because they might eat/rape you!" which is personal advice. There's nothing inherently political about it, at least to me.
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Yeah, let me turn that right back on you. define what politics is, in your definitions, that you consider taking a stance on societal issues (the root of politics) to not be political.

It's not on the people you are talking to define all terms while you throw around undefined terms yourself. If we gotta define every term, you do too.
 
Terrabrand said:
Yeah, let me turn that right back on you. define what politics is, in your definitions, that you consider taking a stance on societal issues (the root of politics) to not be political.

It's not on the people you are talking to define all terms while you throw around undefined terms yourself. If we gotta define every term, you do too.
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Can we get back on task?
Your arguments are stupid, not because their right or wrong, but because their Irrelevant to the quest, Both yours and your opponents. The initial reason for all these derails was a major overreaction to a minor thing, which only makes this all worse.
So Please, Get back on topic
(Not to target you Terra, but yours is the last post I saw :p)
 
Terrabrand said:
Thread locks are used, as I understand, for 'oh look at that escalating dumpster fire', and not merely 'we have received reports'.

Given the speed this is going? Would probably get a lock to review, at a guess. but it's not an always thing.
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But we're staying (relatively) civil.

Actually, do we get the mod equivalent of this:



if the mods reviewed without locking?

DarknessSmiles said:
Im probably gonna say no on the basis that we are 12. Maybe in a few years
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We're 13, not 12.

:D
 
I like the idea of something in this vein.

Cariyaga said:
[X] Write-in: No, however, Kakara offers instead to allow him to study with her.
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But I feel like it's an issue as:
1) The circumstances socially / politically make training together more of an issue than the fight.
2) We don't know Tabe and might not like them or get along with them (past history dealing with Saiyans our age).
3) we might not have much to offer them, or even for them to offer us, due to differing styles.

I think something like the following is a tactful refusal, whereas I would like an option clearer about saying "I'm not interested or open to anything approaching romantic development" but still willing to give them this boon:
[] I would accept, but ask that you take some time and consider if there's anything else you would prefer.
 
Blonddude42 said:
But we're staying (relatively) civil.

Actually, do we get the mod equivalent of this:



if the mods reviewed without locking?
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There won't be a staff post unless they at least feel the need to warn people. There just being reports won't do it.

But if they do review it, yes, there will be a staff post if action is taken or warnings needed even if there is no lock.
 
Personally, supposing even IF this was about peer pressuring a girl into accepting romantic advances, I think that people are highly taking this out of kilter. Let's say that I accept that you CAN'T but help, as an author, to condemn or accept certain situations that you depict. That's...more a limit of people as human beings rather than that of the medium, since it's the human element that adds bias. Therefore, theoretically, it shouldn't be impossible to write a work derived of politically charged commentary since it's possible to describe a human being with no bias.

In that light, an attempt at not condemning a social moore that might be objectionable isn't, on it's own, an implicit acceptance of it. And an objection to "Normalizing" these kind of views by neccessity implies that the next step is acceptance of it. But just because you think something is normal doesn't mean that you think it's right.

And lastly, say that Poptart DID think like that and that it was bleeding through in his works....yeah, what about it?

This isn't propaganda or him trying to push the conservative agenda. Simply being a detestable person rather then acting like one isn't grounds for disciplinary action, now is it?

Because all that leaves are moral criticisms. And THOSE aren't constructive toward the quality of a work at all.
 
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Could I ask people to please take any further off-topic discussion to PMs? These kind of topics breed arguments and are really out-of-topic in a dragon-ball Z quest. If this is a topic that you feel strongly on, then I believe the procedure is making your own thread in the relevant discussion forum, not the quest forum.
 
Okay.

[X] Yes.

Reasons:

1) I think it's a cool way to end the tournament. It gives us some participation in the overall tournament. It's an active choice rather than a passive choice; saying "yes" is generally a better idea in a role-playing game than saying "no" if you want cool things to happen.

2) As @Quest noted, I remember people suggesting something along the lines of "the Scion fights the winner of the tournament at full power as a special honor" back when we had NO IDEA who the winner would be. The winner being a boy roughly Kakara's age (or anyone her age) was a massive upset, so I am pretty sure none of the people involved expected that to become an issue. Even though people were TOTALLY making jokes, even well before that time, about how saiyans view sparring and romance as related.

3) I don't feel like Kakara is under significant pressure. Everyone present, including the boy who asked for the boon, the king-our-father who is claiming a bit of extra royal prestige by having offered the boon in the first place, and the spectators who gasped in amazement that Tabe even asked, seems to fully acknowledge Kakara's right to refuse. Kakara herself, insofar as she has a mental state independent of what we vote on, is also pretty clear on this.

4) This is aside from the part where Kakara is a walking arsenal of mass destruction who could casually smack Tabe hard enough to leave no proton standing atop another, more or less on a whim, if he did anything overtly aggressive or hostile. And yes, I mean 'arsenal.' Seriously, we've had that contest, and the score was "Kakara one, nuclear arsenal of a major world power zero."

5) It seems pretty clear to me that Tabe is politely and deferentially requesting something, not behaving the way I'd expect from a teenage boy with an entitlement complex. And I know how teenage boys with entitlement complexes behave.

Do I ship it? No. Definitely not. But honestly? He seems like a nice kid, based on admittedly short acquaintance. I've seen teenage girls do a hell of a lot worse.
 
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Simon_Jester said:
Okay.

[X] Yes.

Reasons:

1) I think it's a cool way to end the tournament. It gives us some participation in the overall tournament. It's an active choice rather than a passive choice; saying "yes" is generally a better idea in a role-playing game than saying "no" if you want cool things to happen.

2) As @Quest noted, I remember people suggesting something along the lines of "the Scion fights the winner of the tournament at full power as a special honor" back when we had NO IDEA who the winner would be. The winner being a boy roughly Kakara's age (or anyone her age) was a massive upset, so I am pretty sure none of the people involved expected that to become an issue. Even though people were TOTALLY making jokes, even well before that time, about how saiyans view sparring and romance as related.

3) I don't feel like Kakara is under significant pressure. Everyone present, including the boy who asked for the boon, the king-our-father who is claiming a bit of extra royal prestige by having offered the boon in the first place, and the spectators who gasped in amazement that Tabe even asked, seems to fully acknowledge Kakara's right to refuse. Kakara herself, insofar as she has a mental state independent of what we vote on, is also pretty clear on this.

4) This is aside from the part where Kakara is a walking arsenal of mass destruction who could casually smack Tabe hard enough to leave no proton standing atop another, more or less on a whim, if he did anything overtly aggressive or hostile. And yes, I mean 'arsenal.' Seriously, we've had that contest, and the score was "Kakara one, nuclear arsenal of a major world power zero."

5) I don't know if I should even dive into the minefield of whether or not it in some way promotes rape culture to portray teenage boys as seeing a dance or dance-equivalent with teenage girls as an honor/reward/privilege that doing some amazing feat entitles them to politely and deferentially request. I probably shouldn't. But let me just point out that it seems pretty clear to me that Tabe is politely and deferentially requesting something, not behaving with even the slightest hint of an entitlement complex.

Do I ship it? No. Definitely not. But honestly? He seems like a nice kid, based on admittedly short acquaintance. I've seen teenage girls do a hell of a lot worse.
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Also, Maya having competition for Kakara's affections will push her to new heights.
 
Quest said:
Could I ask people to please take any further off-topic discussion to PMs? These kind of topics breed arguments and are really out-of-topic in a dragon-ball Z quest. If this is a topic that you feel strongly on, then I believe the procedure is making your own thread in the relevant discussion forum, not the quest forum.
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But that breaks up the flow of the argument! And requires us to admit we were wrong to continue it here!

:V
 
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Adhoc vote count started by The Fourth Monado on Nov 28, 2017 at 7:59 PM, finished with 177 posts and 35 votes.
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