Remove ads

Puella Magi Adfligo Systema

Reader mode
Had a thought for a better course of action about this.

We don't need to ask, we can just use Grief sense, since all the Pleiades are in the room. We'll just need to check the Clear Seed later on, to confirm whether Airi's Witch is in Earth or in Incubator world.

[X] Be nice, tactful, and supportive. Brinapilot best order:

[X] Thank Kazumi, but you'd like to stay, if she'll have you.
-[X] Give her the lead. Only step in if Hijiri is treated inhumanely.

[X] Share all relevant details with Mami and Kazumi. Inform Homura, too.

[X] Grief sense: Check if Arzt Kochen is around.

[X] Hijiri, privately, after she's done with Niko: Make the case that Airi needs help; encourage Hijiri to be honest, for her own good; tactfully bring up Airi's allegations if possible.

[X] Try to talk about conditions for Hijiri's future release, as an olive branch towards Hijiri, but mind both Kannas' state of mind.

[X] Propose ideas for finding Airi quicker; encourage others.
-[X] E.g.: Sensing Booster + Ribbon Range extension; Sayaka/Kazumi clones; everyone can spam magic; Magic booster could help.
-[X] Could Hijiri help?

AuraTwilight said:
And, again, Airi is a walking Witchbomb. What if she shouts "Give me back my friend" in a panic as soon as we pull it out?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Well yes, pulling out the Seed like that would be dumb.

This is a strawman.

There's SO MANY ways this can go super horribly wrong and there's little to no benefit in comparison. It's not something we should worry about until we have Airi in captivity and have a chance to calm her down.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
This is something we do a lot, and I mean a lot.

'Don't worry about doing something until you don't have enough time to do that something'.

If we wait until such a time, we can miss opportunities to bring up the Seed (which btw, doesn't mean shoving it in Airi's face), and we'd be repeating the 'why haven't we done this before!' thing we have done so many times.

We should find whether the Seed is available now, while we can.
Onmur said:
If it is in reach, however, I want (us or Kazumi) to hang onto it in case it becomes useful as a bargaining chip in the future; after Airi's been disabused of her crazy, most likely.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
So we know in case it becomes useful.
 
Last edited:
Onmur said:
[X] Grief sense: Check if Arzt Kochen is around.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Goddamit I've been so stupid.

Change my vote to

[x] Onmur

I know you just said not to do this kind of thing, but we can argue about what to do with Anri when we find her.
Any action that was proposed isn't strictly time-sensitive.
Yes, even giving her the witchified remains of Yuuri.
 
Last edited:
@AuraTwilight: Verifying if Yuuri's Grief Seed is Yuuri would be extremely easy for Sabrina, and if Kazumi notably reacts should Sabrina explain (without Witchbombing) why Azrt Kochen would be relevant to Anri? Then Kazumi would of already strongly hinted she knows and Sabrina could always bring in Oriko (due to knowing about Witches) if they need more verification.

As for somehow Witchbombing Kazumi by going "Azrt Kochen killed Yuuri so let's give Anri that Seed"... I would be surprised if she didn't already know if "X killed friend, I want X" was enough to make her realize. Being honest, you think at least some Magical Girls would put together "Witches are made of the stuff our Soul Gems produce, which Grief Seeds absorb to rehatch, they both look similar and a fully corrupted Soul Gem is bad. Are Witches insane Magical Girls or something?"

@Onmur: While I do admit it actually is a good idea making sure Sabrina confirms for herself (I was assuming she'd automatically check anyways), Sabrina would still need to explain why she needs Azrt Kochen should her Seed be present. Going the "Hey I'll make another Clear Seed" route seems like a good way of getting Yuuri's soul wouldn't explaining why Sabrina needs that one precisely.
 
Raiseth said:
I know you just said not to do this kind of thing, but we can argue about what to do with Anri when we find her.
Any action that was proposed isn't strictly time-sensitive.
Yes, even giving her the witchified remains of Yuuri.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
We can argue. There's sometimes some people who start raging at people arguing hypotheticals, or plans, but arguing is good.

I'll repeat myself, but I really doubt Yuuri's Witch is still on Earth. Unless Madokami really twisted some strings, we'll be just confirming Yuuri's Seed is not available, and if it comes up later, we'll have to choose, I suspect, between pretending ignorance, or telling Airi the Seed is gone.

Otherwise, I expect enough sane people to be around for Sabrina to not be voted into pulling Airi's Seed and waving it around willy-nilly.

It's not a bargaining chip; we actually need to deal with Airi and her problems first, the Seed won't help with that. But if a situation arises in which Airi becomes more reasonable for a variety of reasons, and then and there we figure, for example, that we can offer the Seed as a peace offering, I want the option available. (Again, not to insult everyone, but not as "I have your bbf's seed!", more like "I think I know what you were looking for; I found it for you; can we talk?").
 
Last edited:
Kkutlord said:
@Onmur: While I do admit it actually is a good idea making sure Sabrina confirms for herself (I was assuming she'd automatically check anyways), Sabrina would still need to explain why she needs Azrt Kochen should her Seed be present. Going the "Hey I'll make another Clear Seed" route seems like a good way of getting Yuuri's soul wouldn't explaining why Sabrina needs that one precisely.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Besides the already repeated explanation (the Pleiades believe Yuuri was killed by a Witch; Airi wanting the Seed could be explained that way), we don't have to get the Seed right now, just know whether it exists within range, or not.

Just knowing it's there is enough for it to be useful later if the right situation comes up; it's the same whether we pull the Seed out of our pocket, or we tell a Pleiades to lend us the Seed.
 
Last edited:
@Onmur: Ah, probably should of worded that a little better. I was just pointing out Sabrina would still need to explain to someone or offer a good reason why she needs that precise Seed. I was never trying to make a huge mess out of this discussion, so I also wanted to apologize for that. Ultimately though, I agree that I doubt Yuuri is actually available and just confirming had been my immediate intent.
 
Whatever.:p
I'm just glad you've found a course of action that doesn't involve us running in circles about Kazumi, Witchbombs and Yuuri.
Kkutlord. We don't have to do anything with hypothetical Azrt Kochen right now. I do understand why you want to do what you want to, and I respect you for that. It's a very moral thing to do.
But the problem remains that we can't promise Anri anything substantial right now. Like, at all. We don't even know if we have the Seed, or if even she has it already.
Dewitchification as of now is a non-existent process. It's clearly ( probably? maybe? ) possible, but we don't know how to do it yet. And just giving Anri a Witch Seed ( or a Clear Seed ) isn't going to solve our main problem, i.e. she wants to murder all the Megucas who killed Yuuri, because asshole QB told her the truth ( if even that, he could tell her that they killed Yuuri and not lie, while omitting that she was already a Witch by that point. Eh. ) in the worst possible manner.
So, now we should look for options. We should look for information. Onmur's suggestions fulfill these criteria.
Edit: ninjad in the worst possible manner. So are we all in agreement then?
Any issues we didn't discuss?
 
Well continuing to use Grief Fog to check for suspicious behavior from Hijiri seems pretty important, and I feel like stressing that Sabrina wants to save Anri but is going to need help from the team to figure out how. Other than that, checking in with Oriko to at least inform her like Mami/Kazumi/Homura since Oriko could probably compare that information to her visions to determine which future seems likely. Really, my vote block was geared for a little more hinting and showing of Sabrina's desire to help everyone. Oh and a talk with Kyubey, but definitely not for this update.

Edit: Just realized, but maybe we should check with Kazumi even if Sabrina doesn't sense Yuuri? Be kind of awkward telling Anri that Yuuri is gone, only to learn her Grief Seed was merely out of Sabrina's range. Though I'm just pointing it out, as making a second vote just to confirm she's out of range but available seems unlikely to pass.
 
Last edited:
Mami and Kirika's Witch names are the same however, so automatically assuming Yuuri's will be different doesn't work either. Even if her Witch name is different her Witch's form shouldn't be that drastically different. So Sabrina could still describe how Arzt Kochen looks and determine whether or not the Seed she gets pointed to is Yuuri. If Sabrina can't sense the name nor determine if Yuuri is present if claimed so, then Sabrina will just have to operate as if Yuuri is gone.
 
I don't think Magical Girls can read witch runes and therefore don't know witches names.

We could ask the Pleiades to show us any cached grief seeds because Airi was stated to have been looking for a particular one and we think we know which one it was.

That wouldn't be telling them anything Hijiri hasn't already stated and could repeat.
 
Kkutlord said:
Mami and Kirika's Witch names are the same however, so automatically assuming Yuuri's will be different doesn't work either. Even if her Witch name is different her Witch's form shouldn't be that drastically different. So Sabrina could still describe how Arzt Kochen looks and determine whether or not the Seed she gets pointed to is Yuuri. If Sabrina can't sense the name nor determine if Yuuri is present if claimed so, then Sabrina will just have to operate as if Yuuri is gone.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Kirika didn't have a canon Witch name; her PMAS Witch name is made up by Firn.

Basically, Firn had to made up names for Witches who didn't have canon names; every witch we've checked that had a canon name, has the same name in PMAS.
 
Can we ask Firn about that, OOC?
Plejaden von Asunaro, for example, is a particularly silly witch name, so maybe he has done away with the names?
 
Redshirt Army said:
For the record, Niko, Hijiri, Kazumi, and the Plieades in general all have different witch names then they did in PMKM. Assuming that Azrt Kochen's name will remain the same is foolish.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Hijiri I can understand, since she's inherently more susceptible to timeline flux, but this seems strange, since this variation didn't happen in canon; e.g. Oktavia was always Oktavia, even if her theme varied. Have we confirmed the witch names of the Quartet?

Onmur said:
Kirika didn't have a canon Witch name; her PMAS Witch name is made up by Firn.

Basically, Firn had to made up names for Witches who didn't have canon names; every witch we've checked that had a canon name, has the same name in PMAS.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Kirika's witch is Margot, if I recall correctly.

EDIT: Having checked the PMMM wiki, Margot was a theorized fan name; Magia Record has confirmed her name to be Latria.
 
Last edited:
@Onmur: Oh, I could of swore Kirika's Witch name in canon was Margot. Too much stuff just swirling around in my head then. Though regarding Witches, their Natures can clearly change based on the events leading to their Witchout and Kirika did get a drastically different power set. So perhaps variations in the wording or intent is why the Pleiades all have different Witch names?
 
Kkutlord said:
@Onmur: Oh, I could of swore Kirika's Witch name in canon was Margot. Too much stuff just swirling around in my head then. Though regarding Witches, their Natures can clearly change based on the events leading to their Witchout and Kirika did get a drastically different power set. So perhaps variations in the wording or intent is why the Pleiades all have different Witch names?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The Pleiades just don't have canon Witch names yet. Firn had to make them up.

They might get canon witch names soon, though, like Kirika, who thanks to Magia Record, now has a Witch name, "Latria".
 
Redshirt Army said:
Incorrect. We've seen witch cards for the Plieades that witch out during PMKM, and Firn has diverged from those names. That's the same source as Arzt Kochen's speculative name.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Found it; it's not speculative. Some of the Witches in PMKM are named in a few extra pages after each volume.

Since Firn is deviating from that, then I guess we'll find nothing with Grief sense. Not that I expected to, but if we ever need to find Yuuri's Witch Seed, we might be obligated to ask Kazumi.
 
Onmur said:
Found it; it's not speculative. Some of the Witches in PMKM are named in a few extra pages after each volume.

Since Firn is deviating from that, then I guess we'll find nothing with Grief sense. Not that I expected to, but if we ever need to find Yuuri's Witch Seed, we might be obligated to ask Kazumi.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Or it could just be that Firn is human and could have missed that resource just as others have.

Still means the Witch could be named something else.

Or maybe they're all clones made after Kazumi Magica has already occurred?
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top