Recurrence
Armchair Parapsychologist
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- Limbo
Good news everyone, we're getting into a big fight before Wednesday.
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The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
That is an excellent note with regard to the money thing.
That said, I think the issues here are very much is about the fighty side of being a magical girl. Sayaka does acknowledge there's more to things, but it doesn't appear to hold much emotional weight to her as things stand.
She can do lots of things, but she wants to fight. Or if not that, she wants to feel like she's standing with our group as a pillar to the cause.
... Incidentally, is it wrong that part of me wants to follow up any genuine advice by sarcastically suggesting she could instead just copy Yuma and run around like a maniac feeling no pain and self-healing all damage?
Is it a bad time to mention that tomorrow, Tuesday the 12th, is the day Sayaka went missing in canon?
(as far as the public understood the facts at least)
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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- He/Him
Well, probably the best way to respond to Sayaka is with incredulity. Sayaka's already better than Sabrina in melee, and her power is to have all the powers. There's no way she wouldn't be able to stand with us--she just needs some training. Sabrina manages on account of having a super-potent and versatile power that she has instinctive control over and skill with (and ridiculous multitasking/processing capability with Grief, not that anyone really knows about that); Sayaka's power has a longer ramping-up time.
We can assure her that the nature of her power means that, while she might start out slow in terms of growth in capability, her rate of growth will probably increase over time, and the capability-ceiling of her power is ludicrously high. In other words: in time, she'll be one of the most powerful and capable magical girls there is.
If Sayaka had seen Ono Megane, a girl who was practically killing herself by wasting magic all the time and ignoring the advice and aid of those around her, she would probably feel better about herself. Perhaps we could tell her about Mori Rin, the girl who just stayed back and out of the fight when her team was engaged--and got ganked by a lone magical girl anyway.
Ultimately, we can assure Sayaka by saying that she is standing with us. We don't want her fighting Witches alone because fighting Witches alone is dangerous, even for veterans. The only real exceptions are those with ludicrously-OP powers (Sabrina, Homura, Oriko, and Kirika, to an extent). Mami is one of the most skilled, experienced, and talented magical girls around, and we'd still be afraid for her safety if she went and fought a Witch alone. Sure, she's had to do just that for a long while, but that doesn't diminish the danger. For those without super-OP powers, fighting Witches alone should only be done if no other option is available.
And, hell, even Sabrina fought her first few Witches alongside at least one other veteran. Tell Sayaka that we're already glad she's part of the team, and that she should stop doubting her value, because we certainly don't doubt her value. These lessons with Kyouko are going to help her improve greatly, and Sabrina would probably take some lessons herself if she weren't so busy with everything else (and wasn't gifted with a super-OP power). Sayaka's power is simply one that is harder to get the hang of than others, because she's essentially having to learn to use a bunch of different powers without the natural, instinctive skill that all other magical girls have with their respective powers.
As for the money, we can assure her that we just stole it all from the Yakuza anyway (with Homura's help), so it's not like we actually worked for it. Kyouko and Yuma need the money a lot more than Sabrina does, and it's very much a worthwhile investment anyway. Teams work together, after all, and that often includes sharing resources.
We can assure her that the nature of her power means that, while she might start out slow in terms of growth in capability, her rate of growth will probably increase over time, and the capability-ceiling of her power is ludicrously high. In other words: in time, she'll be one of the most powerful and capable magical girls there is.
If Sayaka had seen Ono Megane, a girl who was practically killing herself by wasting magic all the time and ignoring the advice and aid of those around her, she would probably feel better about herself. Perhaps we could tell her about Mori Rin, the girl who just stayed back and out of the fight when her team was engaged--and got ganked by a lone magical girl anyway.
Ultimately, we can assure Sayaka by saying that she is standing with us. We don't want her fighting Witches alone because fighting Witches alone is dangerous, even for veterans. The only real exceptions are those with ludicrously-OP powers (Sabrina, Homura, Oriko, and Kirika, to an extent). Mami is one of the most skilled, experienced, and talented magical girls around, and we'd still be afraid for her safety if she went and fought a Witch alone. Sure, she's had to do just that for a long while, but that doesn't diminish the danger. For those without super-OP powers, fighting Witches alone should only be done if no other option is available.
And, hell, even Sabrina fought her first few Witches alongside at least one other veteran. Tell Sayaka that we're already glad she's part of the team, and that she should stop doubting her value, because we certainly don't doubt her value. These lessons with Kyouko are going to help her improve greatly, and Sabrina would probably take some lessons herself if she weren't so busy with everything else (and wasn't gifted with a super-OP power). Sayaka's power is simply one that is harder to get the hang of than others, because she's essentially having to learn to use a bunch of different powers without the natural, instinctive skill that all other magical girls have with their respective powers.
As for the money, we can assure her that we just stole it all from the Yakuza anyway (with Homura's help), so it's not like we actually worked for it. Kyouko and Yuma need the money a lot more than Sabrina does, and it's very much a worthwhile investment anyway. Teams work together, after all, and that often includes sharing resources.
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- ⇙
[] Point out that this was her very first training session and she already surpassed you
-[] She would have clearly won if she used the openings for stabbing you instead of trying to switch her powers
Although she probably knows that already.
-[] She would have clearly won if she used the openings for stabbing you instead of trying to switch her powers
Although she probably knows that already.
Kinruush
Who?
- Location
- USA
Can this just be turned into a voting option?
[ ] What SaltyWaffles said.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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- He/Him
[] Tell Sayaka:
-[] Incredulous: she already does stand with us. She's a good friend, a brave fighter, and has enormous potential as a meguca. Her power is just harder to get the hang of than most.
-[] We don't want her fighting Witches alone because fighting Witches alone is very dangerous, even to a veteran. Only those with super-OP powers, like Homura, can safely tackle Witches solo.
-[] We just stole all that money from the Yakuza in a matter of minutes. Kyouko and Yuma need it way more than we do. And teammates invest in each other.
-[] Tell her about Ono and Rin: what newbies are usually like. Sayaka is awesome and should stop doubting her value. We don't doubt her value. We'd be glad to have her with us in a fight, even now.
Yeah, it probably needs shortening.
-[] Incredulous: she already does stand with us. She's a good friend, a brave fighter, and has enormous potential as a meguca. Her power is just harder to get the hang of than most.
-[] We don't want her fighting Witches alone because fighting Witches alone is very dangerous, even to a veteran. Only those with super-OP powers, like Homura, can safely tackle Witches solo.
-[] We just stole all that money from the Yakuza in a matter of minutes. Kyouko and Yuma need it way more than we do. And teammates invest in each other.
-[] Tell her about Ono and Rin: what newbies are usually like. Sayaka is awesome and should stop doubting her value. We don't doubt her value. We'd be glad to have her with us in a fight, even now.
Yeah, it probably needs shortening.
What does that mean, exactly? "Versatility for what?" I don't understand.
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Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
[ ] Don't be like that Sayaka. You're already a valuable member of the team
-[ ] Talk to Sayaka about how OP the Mitakihara Group as a whole is.
-[ ] We all have weak points. We can't melee for shit, for example.
Also, should we metabomb Sayaka? Do we have the time? I'd like to have it done and over with, since it would mean our core team now knows.
-[ ] Talk to Sayaka about how OP the Mitakihara Group as a whole is.
-[ ] We all have weak points. We can't melee for shit, for example.
Also, should we metabomb Sayaka? Do we have the time? I'd like to have it done and over with, since it would mean our core team now knows.
Madou Sutegobana
Autocorrupt has been disabled.
- Location
- Twin Realms Mandala
I like most of your points, except passing off paying Kyouko as charity. That could get back to Kyouko in a number of ways.
She has a versatile array of powers, but what is that versatile array of powers going to be applied to if not fighting?
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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[] Half the reason you're getting her this training is because it lets you give Kyoko money and seeds without her getting fussy about charity.
If she's worried about us paying for her, noting that the payment is an objective in and of itself should help.
[] Tell her about the Best Exotic Mamigold Hotel and all the ways she could help with it
If she's worried about us paying for her, noting that the payment is an objective in and of itself should help.
As things stand she doesn't really know what there is to megucaing other than combat. She probably thinks that we only told her that to make her feel better about sucking at combat.
[] Tell her about the Best Exotic Mamigold Hotel and all the ways she could help with it
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- ⇙
Helping others. Scientifc advancement. Being a convenient source of dramatic wind. Pranks. Setting the mood at your first date with Kyouske. The possibilities are endless. Keep your head in the game, Sayaka.
- Location
- Florida
If Sayaka can only think to use flight and invisibility (just as an example) in a combative manner, I don't know how we can help her. Being able to fly should be exciting and fun, and invisibility has a lot of pranking and spying potential. Maybe we should try to have her loosen up by starting a prank war with the team?
Regardless, we should try to stop Sayaka from viewing her self-worth in terms of fighting.
Edit: maybe we can bring up our grief orchestra? Just because we're simultaneously every meguca's nightmare and hope doesn't mean we can't have fun. Relaxing and caring for your emotional health is literally a matter of life and death. Being able to cleanse Soul Gems is a safety net, not a cure.
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OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
There's a bit from Rory Miller's writers guide to violence about brown belt syndrome and meta-strategies that seems like potentially valuable advice for Sayaka but adding the stuff about research to give her a concrete goal seemed more important and this is long as is.
Edit: We may want to tell Sayaka about the 24/7 cleansing project goal in a privacy field.
[] in Tell Sayaka:
-[] Incredulous: she already does stand with us. She's a good friend, a brave fighter, and has enormous potential as a meguca. Her power is just harder to get the hang of than most.
-[] We don't want her fighting Witches alone because fighting Witches alone is very dangerous, even to a veteran. Only those with super-OP powers, like Homura, can safely tackle Witches solo.
-[] Tell her about Ono and Rin: what newbies are usually like. Sayaka is awesome and should stop doubting her value. We don't doubt her value. We'd be glad to have her with us in a fight, even now.
-[] Bring up the research side of magical girl problems. How you eventually want to make something capable of cleansing a wide area without human intervention 24/7 and how if the opportunity arises, prioritizing magical girls with powers with powers relevant to such a goal could be extremely helpful. How eventually more foreign magical girls are going to start showing up so she may well have such opportunities in the future.
Edit: We may want to tell Sayaka about the 24/7 cleansing project goal in a privacy field.
[] in Tell Sayaka:
-[] Incredulous: she already does stand with us. She's a good friend, a brave fighter, and has enormous potential as a meguca. Her power is just harder to get the hang of than most.
-[] We don't want her fighting Witches alone because fighting Witches alone is very dangerous, even to a veteran. Only those with super-OP powers, like Homura, can safely tackle Witches solo.
-[] Tell her about Ono and Rin: what newbies are usually like. Sayaka is awesome and should stop doubting her value. We don't doubt her value. We'd be glad to have her with us in a fight, even now.
-[] Bring up the research side of magical girl problems. How you eventually want to make something capable of cleansing a wide area without human intervention 24/7 and how if the opportunity arises, prioritizing magical girls with powers with powers relevant to such a goal could be extremely helpful. How eventually more foreign magical girls are going to start showing up so she may well have such opportunities in the future.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
This is the time for the sayapolice joke, if we can work it in.
I think that we want to draw from Star Trek here, surprisingly. Sayaka is asking what good power is if not for fighting. The Federation has an answer for that.
Ultimately, Sayaka's goal is to be Sayaka. All of this is in pursuit of that goal, making sure that nothing bad happens.
I think that we want to draw from Star Trek here, surprisingly. Sayaka is asking what good power is if not for fighting. The Federation has an answer for that.
Ultimately, Sayaka's goal is to be Sayaka. All of this is in pursuit of that goal, making sure that nothing bad happens.
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Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
Medicine (Healing). Espionage(Invisibility). Play(Flight, Healing, Invisibility, and basically everything else). Security (Invisibility, Healing, and SWORDS). Science (everything). Transport (Flight, Unstoppable). Construction (Ribbons, Geokenesis, Flight, Unstoppable, Arborokenesis, Lightning [for welding]). Demolitions (Geokenesis, [explosive] Ribbons). Resource production (Plant, Paper & Stone Kenesis). Mining (Geokenesis, Ribbons). Politics (Hypnosis). Sociological data gathering (Hypnosis). Product production (Plant & Paper Kenesis). Advertisement (Geokenesis, Eyesight, Ribbons, Flight). Electric Network Maintenance and Repair (Flight). And that's just off the top of my head.
Heck, she could even use her powers for art. She's only limited by her imagination.
- Location
- USA
*a dozen mental chibi!Brina's running around in classic panic dance*
So it seems like Sayaka's got strength-enhancement and elemental-enhancement (or was that the copied Ramiel? power and maybe another) as well as her power copying? The strength alone was clearly a big deal in overpowering Sabrina's attempts to distract her, and it was the lightning that slipped past our guard after all. If its copied powers we should definitely praise her for the unorthodox application to melee (since the lightnings usually a ranged attack, at least) and all.
Bit of a shame that Kyouko didn't suggest any pointers for our own melee attempts, since she seemed quite disapproving of our suckage. Even if she didn't understand the squishy-caster reference (has she never played final fantasy? just because its a hammer and not a rod its still close enough). Maybe she wants more payment for even the secondary commentary since we only paid for Sayaka
? Oh no don't make us give you moooore yakuza-money Kyouko!
- Location
- Illinois
[] Sayaka. With the powers you have access to currently, could you break up a cat 5 hurricane over the ocean?
-[] Give analysis. If no, include list of powers that could make it work
--[] The scientist in you is absolutely gushing over her powerset. And furthermore,
[] Sayaka wished to be useful. You can't really know the repercussions of that, as of yet, but you can make a good enough guess. The rate at which her combat skills have improved is frankly absurd, for one thing. She'll get to "stand with us" if she keeps going, not in months but in weeks. And... there's a time and a place for fighting dirty and the same for fighting fair. Against anyone and anything that is legitimately trying to kill her, or any of her friends, though? Definitely dirty -- dead Mikis hug no Dokas. Kyouko, unfortunately, has probably encountered more of those situations than otherwise.
80% of stopping a hurricane is getting into a position to do it. Flight and unstoppable should cover that.
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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
[X] Tone is reassuring, unreserved: She already stands with you. Describe how lame most newbies are, compare with how capable she is. Explain that training is only partly to help her fight better, (her skills are good, it's her tactics that are improving). The rest is to help Kyouko and Yuma, both cash and grief. Kyouko is prickly, won't accept help, that's why pay is so high -- both are homeless, home territory has no witches, Kyouko is taking care of Yuma. Sayaka is already helping you with main goal of helping others.
[X] Greet Mami with hug-and-spin. Maximum adorkable affection.
[X] Minimal description of training. It's off to a good start.
[X] Karaoke! Try your best! You're Mami's biggest fan! Be supportive of your friends! Have fun!
[X] Greet Mami with hug-and-spin. Maximum adorkable affection.
[X] Minimal description of training. It's off to a good start.
[X] Karaoke! Try your best! You're Mami's biggest fan! Be supportive of your friends! Have fun!
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
I don't think that Sabrina is nearly as hopeless in melee as you are making her out to be. Yeah, Sayaka won, but it was hardly effortless. It was a fairly long and hard-fought match and even when she completely forgot about her actual objectives and just focused on Sabrina she still only brought her down when she used lightning instead of a sword. And when Sabrina fought Kirika, who is also a meleeguca, she held her off with only minor injuries while her magic was suppressed. Sabrina's not great at melee, but she's not crap at it either.
Really, given that Kirika and Sayaka are both meleeguca, but Sayaka has put in a much stronger showing against us than Kirika did, I think that Sayaka doing so well may have less to do with meleeguca having some inherent talent than with the fact that Sayaka is one of the only girls we know who was athletically-inclined and prone to scrapping before her contract (and in a sport that involves hitting small, fast-moving objects with a club, no less). If meguca get some sort of proportionate strength boost, then as a tomboy, she's starting from a higher baseline.
It might not be a bad idea to tell Sayaka that she's already a much better fighter than we'd expect a girl at her level of experience to be, and there's no shame in not being as good as someone who's been doing this for years.
It's been less than 8 hours since the update. How is voting open already?
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
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- He/Him
[Jk] Tell Sayaka her life expetency in previous loops
-[jk] Don't mention how she waifued Kyouko in those loops though
-[jk] Don't mention how she waifued Kyouko in those loops though
- Location
- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
I wonder if we can cheat at singing by making a artifical voicebox out of Grief.