Ah, I thought the opposite was claimed. Sorry, my mistake.

Regardless, though, she's still not a serial killer by any meaningful definition. And killing O&K was a trauma-response she eventually snapped out of (....ish.)

For what it's worth, Homura did stop killing them at some point. I imagine it must have been a difficult decision, and there must have been some mercy involved.

How would she know O&K wouldn't Contract and kill Madoka the first time she decided to not kill them?
 
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I'm not terribly fond of the idea of Homura preemptively assassinating a couple of teenage girls, but that's what she said she did.
It's important to note that the law does not take into account the fantastical situation of precognition, time looping, and gaining superpowers.

In other words, Homura had good reason to believe that Oriko and Kirika would become very real, very powerful threats to Madoka's life if she let them contract. If she waited for them to actually contract, they would immediately become too powerful for her to reliably take them down by herself. Thus, murdering them preemptively could be construed as defending the life of another from lethal danger. It's ambiguous, but it's important to remember that Homura is a horribly traumatized teenager facing enemies with terrifying power and a plate full of overwhelming, unstoppable threats.

Also, IIRC, "Murderface" comes from Magical Girl Noir Quest, not PMMM--which makes sense, since she doesn't even kill anyone in PMMM (well, aside from Madoka in that one loop, but it was explicitly a mercy kill requested by Madoka herself, and it totally broke Homura to do it).
 
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@Karnewarrior why, why would you hurt us? A temptation of feels turned to darkness and broken hope? Karnewitch why?
Now now, it's not hopeless. It's a mystery, not a tragedy. Note that Homura felt despair only when she thought she had looped accidentally, not after she and Sabrina figured out that something else was going on. At that point, she put her terminator mask back on and went to hunt down Madoka and make sure she's safe.

It's not a one-shot.
 
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It's important to note that the law does not take into account the fantastical situation of precognition, time looping, and gaining superpowers.

In other words, Homura had good reason to believe that Oriko and Kirika would become very real, very powerful threats to Madoka's life if she let them contract. If she waited for them to actually contract, they would immediately become too powerful for her to reliably take them down by herself. Thus, murdering them preemptively could be construed as defending the life of another from lethal danger. It's ambiguous, but it's important to remember that Homura is a horribly traumatized teenager facing enemies with terrifying power and a plate full of overwhelming, unstoppable threats.

Also, IIRC, "Murderface" comes from Magical Girl Noir Quest, not PMMM--which makes sense, since she doesn't even kill anyone in PMMM (well, aside from Madoka in that one loop, but it was explicitly a mercy kill requested by Madoka herself, and it totally broke Homura to do it).

It came from Witch Quest, actually, when we traumatized Homura so hard her witchname in her Soul Gem turned to "Murderface."
 
It came from Witch Quest, actually, when we traumatized Homura so hard her witchname in her Soul Gem turned to "Murderface."
But that's a reference to MGNQ.

So when Sabrina called Homura 'Murderface' in her thoughts, was it a reference to MGNQ, or a reference to a reference to MGNQ?

I would say it's a reference to MGNQ, but with PMAS being kind of an spiritual successor to Witch Quest, would that make it both a reference to MGNQ and a reference to a reference to MGNQ?
 
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It's important to note that the law does not take into account the fantastical situation of precognition, time looping, and gaining superpowers.

In other words, Homura had good reason to believe that Oriko and Kirika would become very real, very powerful threats to Madoka's life if she let them contract. If she waited for them to actually contract, they would immediately become too powerful for her to reliably take them down by herself. Thus, murdering them preemptively could be construed as defending the life of another from lethal danger.

If you consider pre-crime to be a thing that actually exists.

Also, considering that the Mr. Mikune scandal breaking and his subsequent suicide is what causes Oriko to contract, and Oriko contracting is invariably what causes Kirika to contract, it seems reasonable to conclude that the scandal occurring at all (or, at least, breaking during March 2011) is temporally anomalous. Since Oriko contracted within a couple days of Sabrina showing up, which was 2 weeks into the loop, Homura should have had the time and foresight to defuse the Orikobomb regularly and entirely as part of her per-loop checklist, were she so inclined, but she doesn't-- because a time-stop drive-by is a hell of a lot faster, easier, more efficient, and more assured. This is what I mean about her seeing them as threats and not as people, and exactly why Sabrina is gallivanting across the countryside fixing everyone's problems so that bad things don't happen-- Homura's way doesn't lead to Good Ends for anybody.
 
We voted to. It just didn't happen in the update due to space constraints. (Which is OOC evidence that it's nothing to be concerned about, since I doubt Firn would skip something we explicitly voted for and then punish us for not taking action.)
Maybe we just didn't get to that part of the vote, in which case we should vote for it again.

Or we're being influenced by Hijiri, who's stealing our votes, in which case we should keep voting for it until one of our votes slip through her grasp. :V

Either way, it's already in the vote, so no worrying about it.

Worry about Mami instead.
 
If you consider pre-crime to be a thing that actually exists.

Also, considering that the Mr. Mikune scandal breaking and his subsequent suicide is what causes Oriko to contract, and Oriko contracting is invariably what causes Kirika to contract, it seems reasonable to conclude that the scandal occurring at all (or, at least, breaking during March 2011) is temporally anomalous. Since Oriko contracted within a couple days of Sabrina showing up, which was 2 weeks into the loop, Homura should have had the time and foresight to defuse the Orikobomb regularly and entirely as part of her per-loop checklist, were she so inclined, but she doesn't-- because a time-stop drive-by is a hell of a lot faster, easier, more efficient, and more assured. This is what I mean about her seeing them as threats and not as people, and exactly why Sabrina is gallivanting across the countryside fixing everyone's problems so that bad things don't happen-- Homura's way doesn't lead to Good Ends for anybody.
You're making a lot of assumption there, including the timeline. It's entirely possible, for instance, that the time gap between Mr Mikuni's scandal breaking and Oriko contracting is sufficiently large that there's no way for it to act as the flag you're suggesting it is. Similarly, in at least one of the mangas, Kirika contracts before Oriko.

Furthermore, this is not merely precrime. Homura personally experienced Oriko and Kirika going all massacre-happy on her school and murder Madoka even when she thought she'd won. That kind of trauma leaves a huge mark on someone, and for all Homura knows, Oriko contracting was going to become a constant in her loops after the loop where it first happened. She only found out it was anomalous after the fact.

In addition, you are failing to recognize the critical point: if Oriko manages to contract, she's already a massive threat, so checking whether or not she's contracted is moot, since if she has, it's already too late to deal with it easily. And again, it's not a predictable event--if Oriko never made a contract in all of the loops previously, what caused her to make one in that loop? It's entirely possible--if not probable--that Homura never knew anything about Oriko's father and the scandal that led to his suicide. It's not like Oriko ever talked about it.

Homura is willing to do whatever it takes to ensure Madoka's long-term safety and well-being. If that means murdering a couple of innocent people because they might become massive threats to Madoka's safety (or Homura's own safety), she's willing to do that. This is, after all, the same girl who is willing to risk a scenario in which Madoka contracts, becomes a Witch, and Homura herself is killed before she can loop back to undo it, causing the end of the world. In her eyes, while it would be just fine and dandy to succeed in her goal without resorting to committing horrible deeds, realistically, if she can't accomplish the one thing she dedicates everything for without resorting to horrible deeds, then she cannot afford to hold back even that much if she wants any chance of success.

The reason Homura always fails is because Walpurgisnacht is just so overwhelmingly powerful and a hard counter to Homura's abilities. It's blatantly unfair--and it's implied that evacuating Madoka to another city doesn't even work, because Walpurgisnacht's target is Madoka, not necessarily Mitakihara. The only conceivable solution, in such a scenario, is to build a big alliance of magical girls to all fight an overwhelmingly powerful opponent (quite possibly far away from home, at that) for no reward beyond trying to do the right thing. And magical girls are notoriously territorial, difficult to organize or bring together beyond small groups, and difficult to move around without stepping on too many toes. Compound that with the fact that Homura has to keep Madoka from contracting, Kyubey wanting to get Madoka to contract, Mami wanting to get Madoka to contract, Sayaka's tendency to contract, Kyouko's bad blood with Mami, and Mami's own fragility and faith in Kyubey, and you get a situation in which you'd need to be a social expert just to handle the local problems--and Homura was, even at the best of times, before all of her worst trauma, socially awkward and crippled by extremely low self-esteem. Sure, she could gain experience and skill over time, but when that time is filled with trauma and having all of her progress continually undone via looping, it takes a herculean effort (and the right mindset, which can be impossible to obtain without outside help) to not let the trauma hamstring you socially before you gain the necessary skill and experience.
 
On the topic of terrible things Homura would be willing to do, if we presume for argument that Madoka is the Walpurgisnacht's target and evacuating doesn't prevent it attacking her... and a viable solution might be to fling more magical girls (with different powersets) at it... has Homura tried relocating Madoka to a city like Tokyo or otherwise with a lot of girls, and just bunker down and wait for them to defend their home from the oncoming storm? If its casually-destructive enough on the way to their hideout, you don't need to actively convince the other girls after all... Homura would just need to find somewhere to shelter with a pre-gathered stockpile of grief seeds. The only trick being how to get Madoka to play along in a way that doesn't wreck things itself..
 
Compound that with the fact that Homura has to keep Madoka from contracting, Kyubey wanting to get Madoka to contract, Mami wanting to get Madoka to contract, Sayaka's tendency to contract, Kyouko's bad blood with Mami, and Mami's own fragility and faith in Kyubey, and you get a situation in which you'd need to be a social expert just to handle the local problems--and Homura was, even at the best of times, before all of her worst trauma, socially awkward and crippled by extremely low self-esteem. Sure, she could gain experience and skill over time, but when that time is filled with trauma and having all of her progress continually undone via looping, it takes a herculean effort (and the right mindset, which can be impossible to obtain without outside help) to not let the trauma hamstring you socially before you gain the necessary skill and experience.
One shudders at the thought of how exhausted SV would be if we had to repeat the damn loop merely 10 times with our own difficulty at SOCIAL.
 
I think @Higure's Renascence quest intends to revolve around that, to explore several loops and come up with a way of achieving a Golden Ending.
 
Tart Magica implies that Walpurgisnacht is the witch that Joan of Arc/Tart became, and Madoka/Homura's story resonates strongly with her own story (referring to the specific events of Tart Magica); furthermore, once Homura made her Wish in the first timeline, and then looped, Madoka's potential started to grow enormously, such that Madoka herself (and Homura, by extension) became so historically significant that Walpurgisnacht was effectively drawn to them like a lightning rod.

Plus, there's the obvious implication that Homura is far too intelligent, pragmatic, and ruthless to not have tried taking Madoka to a different city before Walpurgisnacht arrives.

And as far as PMAS canon goes, Homura has obviously rigged the meteorological systems to trigger a city-wide evacuation alert ahead of WPN in past loops, and that's obviously never saved Madoka. Which implies that Walpugisnacht does, indeed, not so much target Mitakihara as Madoka herself (in a grandiose and dramatic way, as befitting her themes).
 
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