To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

One thing base strike has is increased crit rate, along with a damage boost vs outposts and starbases. I do favor decisive battle though as it appeals to my general inclination of defeating the enemies fleet

So I just noticed that the Starbase IIs, Deep Space Is and Outpost IIs all cost SR (though not BR, oddly) so when we get to that point, we'll be constrained by SR again - though it might not be too bad, depending on how far our officers requirements are projected to outstrip our SR requirements.

EDIT: Do our current Starbases and Outposts cost any BR/SR?

@OneirosTheWriter are you missing a tech? Seems to be, since Base Strike has 12 and Decisive Battle has 10. Also this.

OneirosTheWriter said:

PREREQS - United Starfleet
Hand in Hand


LEADS TO - United Federation

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Forgothrax said:

@OneirosTheWriter are you missing a tech? Seems to be, since Base Strike has 12 and Decisive Battle has 10. Also this.

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IIRC the prototype for this tree had UF has 50% of member ships allocated to the US sector, rather than 25%. Not sure if it's still the same, but still a roving fleet with 50% of all member ships together makes for a hell of a punch.

OneirosTheWriter said:

[T3] Galaxy Wing
Rather than spreading them through the battle line, concentrate your explorers into a potent force.

0 / 35 Galaxy Wing (Unlock Tactic: Galaxy Wing, explorers are more likely to be the source of fire)

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[T2] Attack Pattern Omega
Sometimes the key is to focus on the big threats, and let the giants go toe-to-toe.

0 / 25 Target Assessment (Unlock Target Priority: Shield+Combat)
0 / 25 Tactical Consulation (Unlock Attack Pattern Omega: Explorers gain +50% weighting for firing and targeting)

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What's the main difference between "Galaxy Wing" and "Attack Pattern Omega" tactics?

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A 'Wolf Pack' is a Fleet that is: not more than 5% of total tonnage, not more than 5% of total numbers, that may attempt to bypass border zones and operate in enemy territory.

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Are there any smaller powers using Wolf Pact Doctrine? Perhaps the Apiata? If so, would their wolf pact just be a single ship, or still the standard queenship + 2 stinger battle group?

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Looks like all the offensive doctrines have their own shipbuilding perks:

Wolf Pack Doctrine:

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Homefront Support
When ship and crew are far from home, their success may rest on the support given months ago.

0 / 25 Design Emphasis (Reduced pp costs for Target* ship type requests)
0 / 25 Romanticism (Gain +0.25 O/E/T Recruitment)

*Target Ship = Explorer in Lone Ranger Fleet Design

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Building the Den
This is both a hazardous mission and specialised task. It is important to have the industrial base prepared for the effort.

0 / 25 Targeted Industrial Expansion (Reduce pp costs for new berths that most closely match your Target ship)
0 / 25 Streamlined Assembly (Reduce Target ship build times by 25%, to a maximum of 2 Qtr)

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Base Strike Doctrine:

In Excelsis
Sometimes today's explorer can still serve as tomorrow's jack-of-all-trades.

(Able to nominate one class with an Explorer role for the following)
0 / 25 Shipyard Veterancy (Nominated Capital Ship reduces construction time by 25%)
0 / 25 Automation Update (Crew Requirements on this ship reduced by 20%, rounded down)

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Nor the Battle to the Strong
There is more to a fleet than combat. The Explorer Corps is your guiding light, the best and brightest who can turn battles with more than phasers.

0 / 25 Public Campaign (Explorer Corps Recruitment increased by +1 per type)
0 / 25 Advanced Toolkit (Each EC Explorer in a fleet grants +2% Fleet Value)

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Arsenal of Equality
To reduce your vulnerability to a base strike, it is important to diversify your production base.

0 / 40 Risk Assessment (New Shipyard Complexes become cheaper)

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Decisive Battle Doctrine:

Arsenal of Liberty
Free people in common purpose can achieve any goal.

0 / 25 Infrastructure Gear-Up (PP cost of shipyards and related infrastructure reduced)
0 / 25 Accelerated Production Schedules (Reduce all build times by 1Qtr)
0 / 25 Recruitment Surge (+15% Academy intake)

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edit: added two more relevant techs

lbmaian said:

What's the main difference between "Galaxy Wing" and "Attack Pattern Omega" tactics?

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Well if I'm reading it right Galaxy Wing just makes Explorers more likely to fire while Attack Pattern Omega makes Explorers more likely to fire and to be fired upon.

Also some change-ups further along the Weapons tree.

lbmaian said:

Are there any smaller powers using Wolf Pact Doctrine? Perhaps the Apiata? If so, would their wolf pact just be a single ship, or still the standard queenship + 2 stinger battle group?

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For different powers I try to keep things relevant to their situation - Apiata use Little Queenship+2 Stingers.

lbmaian said:

What's the main difference between "Galaxy Wing" and "Attack Pattern Omega" tactics?

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Nothing really.

Edit: Btw, vote closed - can I get a tally?

Deathbybunnies said:

EDIT: Do our current Starbases and Outposts cost any BR/SR?

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Currently, any construction requirements are met by PP alone I believe.Logistically, they want a steady supply of spare parts and structural members moved up and take some of each in the supply loop.
Supply, since it includes the fleet operation costs which are strictly SR based, is almost all cargo ships - maybe a freighter to bulk out the BR side a little, but that's it.
*watches the gap of ships between supply and demand continue to grow*

Decisive Battle is about one thing and one thing only... winning starship battles! Which is the point, I guess.

I mean, if nothing else, Arsenal of Liberty is worth the price of admission alone. 15% more recruitment? -1q on ALL builds? less pp to develop shipyards? Sign me up!

OneirosTheWriter said:

Edit: Btw, vote closed - can I get a tally?

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Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 2398 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 59931-60078]
##### NetTally 1.9.9

Task: CARD

[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)
No. of Votes: 35

[X][CARD] Cardassian Shipbuilding Report
No. of Votes: 33

[X][CARD] Cardassian Fleet Strength Report
No. of Votes: 1

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Task: ROM

[X][ROM] Romulan Ship Analysis Report - Bird-of-Prey-Replacement
No. of Votes: 35

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Task: REPORT

[X][REPORT] Horizon Harmony Diplomatic Posture Report
No. of Votes: 34

[X][REPORT] Cardassian Logistics and Deployment requirements
No. of Votes: 29

[X][REPORT] GBZ: Pick a faction to gain an estimate of fleet strength in the GBZ (Konen)
No. of Votes: 29

[X][REPORT] Klingon Diplomatic Posture Report
No. of Votes: 22

[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II
No. of Votes: 21

[X][REPORT] Klingon Fleet Strength Report
No. of Votes: 17

[X][REPORT] Interstellar Commonwealth Diplomatic Posture Report
No. of Votes: 13

[X][REPORT] Arcadian Empire Diplomatic Posture Report
No. of Votes: 7

[X][REPORT] Update on the Hishmeri Situation
No. of Votes: 7

[X][REPORT] Shipyard Activity Report for: Yrillians
No. of Votes: 7

[X][REPORT] GBZ: Determine what projects other factions are up to
No. of Votes: 4

[x][REPORT] Klingon New Battleship Early Report
No. of Votes: 4

[X][REPORT] Dylaarian Federation Diplomatic Posture Report
No. of Votes: 4

[X][REPORT] Horizon Fleet Strength Report
No. of Votes: 4

[X][REPORT] Romulan Diplomatic Posture Report
No. of Votes: 2

[X][REPORT] Dylaarian Diplomatic Posture Report
No. of Votes: 2

[X][REPORT] Lamarck Fleet Strength Report
No. of Votes: 1

[X][REPORT] Horizon Harmony Fleet Strength Report
No. of Votes: 1

[X][Report] ISC Weapons Systems
No. of Votes: 1

[X][REPORT] GBZ: Dylaarian fleet strength
No. of Votes: 1

[X][REPORT] Cardassian Diplomatic Posture Report
No. of Votes: 1

[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Harmony 'Fleet tender'
No. of Votes: 1

[X][REPORT] Romulan Fleet Strength
No. of Votes: 1

[X][REPORT] Cardassian Fleet Strength
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 39

To note, some of the capstone Weapons techs cost a point of Militarization each, which I think might be new?

Decisive Battle is pretty good... but Base Strike is still plenty awesome as well. It's going to be hard making up my mind.

No love for the Wolf Pack?

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1)It is indeed.
a)I'll punch in that additional colony info and...
b)other incomes...
c)and those too.
Thank you for this. Lag in following through on changes is not a lack of appreciation, only free time.

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Some more corrections/comments:

1) Gaeni income is 35br 35sr, not 10br 15sr.

2) Feeder loop is only the income from "sources" (mining/research colonies). It does not include the contributions from member worlds.

3) "SR" and "BR" in the summary, calculated incomes, and support loop sheets are confusing - they're just the annual total Sm and Blk requirements. (Feeder loop in particular is misleading, since "SR" on this sheet includes RP). Also, "Bm" should be "Blk"

4) GBZ might need to be its own special "loop" in terms of aux ship assignment. That also means the GBZ colonies (Collie, 41 Miele IV, 29 Baker V) may need to be excluded from feeder loop.

5) I wonder if route penalty calculations could be back-engineered as well to help automate projections. We know there's +0.1 per shipyard, and -0.1 per critical ship infrastructure. Speculation: could also be -0.1 per industrial asset listed in Ghost & Whispers status page

6) edit: Sheet could use some overall cleanup later...

Given that I currently need to manually tweak the shipping assignments (except Supply, which is very SR dominated) I'm not sure how practical this is. I'll see what I can do though.

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Well, an algorithm could be devised for aux ship assignments, but it would require scripting. Live-updating source data, on income and ship projections, could eliminate much of the external copy-pasting you need to do when updating this spreadsheet. You could take periodic value snapshots of the live-updating sheets and manually fill in other data sources and aux ship assignments.

Anyway, the main point is that if we want proper projections logistics growth, rather than just what we need from current income/ships and confirmed future income/ships, we do need year-by-year estimations of new income/ships in order to estimate logistics growth over that time period.

@OneirosTheWriter if we end up eventually mothballing the ship we nominate for In Excelsis, can we change the ship that tech applies to? Maybe with a short research project?

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To note, some of the capstone Weapons techs cost a point of Militarization each, which I think might be new?

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Nah, that was already the case.

Penetrating Nadions got nerfed hard though - it's dropped from 4% penetration to 2%.

For weapons some of the tech is adding crit rate increase, phaser give cruiser and explorer, torpedo for escorts and shield burn through for escorts so I think that is it

I hope I didn't leave in a ton of "off by 1 sub-sector" errors or copy-pasted names.

tryrar said:

@OneirosTheWriter if we end up eventually mothballing the ship we nominate for In Excelsis, can we change the ship that tech applies to? Maybe with a short research project?

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Well, In Excelsis seems a bit underpowered now, considering that all we get is a crew rebate. If there was a cost reduction on new builds and a free refit project, I think the Excelsior would remain competitive. Another option is an additional -1C for combat cap calculations for the In Excelsis ship, and perhaps granting the free +1 S/P from EC ships to all Excelsiors, or a bonus to responses. A tier 4 upgraded In Excelsis tech would also work.

It depends on what @OneirosTheWriter decides to incentivize. If he wants continued Excelsior production, then these suggestions will help that tech, or techs, if the In Excelsis Tier 4 upgrade is created, encourage that.

Computing:

• Daystrom Institute [Skill 5 Computing/Shields]: Automated Shipsystems [unchanged]
• Amash Hagan Research Office [Skill 3 Computing/Personal]: 2320s Research Centers [unchanged]
• Generic Team 4 : Primitive Isolinear Computers[unchanged]

Warp Tech:

• Yoyodyne [Skill 5 Warp Tech/Starship Construction] : 2320s Core Power [unchanged]

Starship Construction:

• Office of Naval Architecture [Skill 4 Fleet Design/Starship Construction]: 2320s Starship Armour [unchanged]
• San Francisco Fleetyards [Skill 4 Explorer Design/Starship Construction]: 2320s Construction Techniques [complete] -> 2320s Starship Safety

Personal:

• Caitian Frontier Police R&D [Skill 3 Personal/Communications] : 2310s Personal Protection [unchanged]

Sensors:

• Vulcan Science Academy [Skill 5 Xenopsychology/Sensors] : 2320s Geological Sensors [unchanged]
• Generic Team 1: 2310s Long -Range Sensors [unchanged]
• Inid Uttar Institute [Skill 3 Sensors / Propulsion] : [new] -> 2330s Anti-Cloaking Sensors

Weapons:

• Weapons Fabrication Division [Skill 4 Weapons/Starship Design]: 2320s Penetrating Nadions [unchanged]
• Starfleet Tactical Prograde Operations Team [Skill 2 Weapons/Offensive Doctrine] : 2310s Torpedo Development [unchanged]
• Generic Team 2: Primitive Phaser Arrays [unchanged]

Shields:

• Andorian Academy [Skill 4 Shields/Communication]: 2310s Navigational Deflectors [complete] -> TASK SHIELDS

Communications:

• Starfleet Science Academy [Skill 4 Computing/Communciation]: 2320s Decryption [unchanged]
• Federation Broadcast Service [Skill 4 Communication/Xenopsychology]: 2320s Long-Range Comms [unchanged]
• Generic Team 5: 2320s Signal Intercepts [unchanged]

Minerals:

• Tellar Prime Academy of Mineral Science [Skill 4 Minerals/Personal]: 2320s Special Refining [unchanged]
• All Pyllix Geological Institute [Skill 3 Minerals/Sensors]: 2310s Bulk Resources [unchanged]

Xenopsychology:

• Spock [Skill 6 Xenopsychology/Sensors]: 2320s Diplomacy [unchanged]
• University of Betazed [Skill 4 Xenopsychology/Personal]: 2320s Affiliates Research [unchanged]

Medical:

• Starfleet Medical Research Command [Skill 5 Medical/Personal]: 2320s Preventative Care [unchanged]
  
• Starfleet Infectious Diseases Institute [Skill 3 Medical] : 2320s Trauma Medicine [unchanged]

Propulsion:

• Intazzi Team - Grand Hive R&D [Skill 3 Propulsion/Escort Design]: 2320s Fusion Power [unchanged]

Ship Design:

• 40 Eridani A [Skill 4 Escort Design/Warp Tech]: Kepler Project [unchanged]

Escort Design:

• Generic Team 3: 2310s Escort - Combat [unchanged]

Explorer Design:

• Utopia Planitia [Skill 6 Cruiser/Explorer Design]: 2320s Explorer - Science [unchanged]

Starbase Design:

• Taves Nar Orbital Engineering [Skill 3 Starbase Design/Starship Construction] : 2310s Starbase Design - Control [unchanged]
• Henn-Makad Engineering Institute [Skill 3 Starbase Design / Minerals] : [new] -> TASK STARBASE

Doctrine:

• Admiral Lathriss [Skill 4 Fleet Design/Defensive] : Border World Focus [complete] -> Mutual Support
• Apinae Protective Engineering Bureau [Skill 2 Starbase/Defensive Doctrine] : To Boldly Go [unchanged]
• Games & Theory Division [Skill 4 Foreign Analysis/Offensive] : Cardassian Research [tier complete] -> TASK DOCTRINE

Foreign Analysis:

• Kuznetsova's Tiger Team [Skill 5 Fleet Design/Foreign Analysis] : The Mission Unending [complete] -> Klingon Research
  
• Technocracy Interstellar Ministry [Skill 3 Xenopsychology / Foreign Analysis] : [new] -> Cardassian Research

[X] [PLAN] Base Plan Re-balancing Analysis
-[X] San Francisco Fleetyards : 2320s Starship Safety
-[X] Inid Uttar Institute : 2330s Anti-Cloaking Sensors
-[X] Admiral Lathriss : Mutual Support
-[X] Kuznetsova's Tiger Team : Klingon Research
-[X] Technocracy Interstellar Ministry : Cardassian Research

The assignments of the foreign analysis teams can't really be extracted into a task because of the interdepencies, and also ties into the boost vote, so I hope no one requests multiple vote options because right now I don't know how to do that in any reasonable way. The reasons for suggesting this particular arrangement: We know that it can take a while for analysis research to become available, so we can't be sure to be able to start HoH research at this point. With a boost the Tiger Team can finish the first tier of Klingon Research this year (assuming overflow works tier-wise) and then probably start HoH research next year, finishing the first tier in 2320, while TIM would only finish in 2321 even if HoH research is already available this year. With this arrangement we also never pause Cardassian Research, which some people expressed reservations about. TIM should finish the current tier of Cardassian Research in 2327 or 28, 3-4 years later than the Tiger Team would if assigned to it now, but if we assign them as in the plan and then swap in the Tiger Team in 2321 they would finish in 2324, only one year later.

Not picking 2320s Lightweight Frames yet because the only T3 frames that seem interesting for new designs are the 600kt frame, which might be useful for a cheap Miranda successor but is too small for a Centaur successor which will likely be the next design, and the 1.5mt cruiser frame, but we probably won't design a cruiser before phaser arrays are finished. If there is interest I can factor that out into a task though.

[] [SHIELDS] Andorian Academy : 2320s Deflector Emitters
[] [SHIELDS] Andorian Academy : 2320s Deflector Shields

Technically 2320s Navigational Deflectors or 2320s Dish Construction would also be options, but I can't recommend them due to how relatively unimportant nav deflector parts are and the event bonus of 2320s Dish Construction being inferior to that of Emitters.
The case for 2320s Deflector Shields: They offer a reasonably good event bonus, a moderate battle bonus (if that mechanic still exists) and most importantly unlock T3 shields. While we are most likely to start the next design in either 2319 or 2323 and by default AA would only finish the project in 2319 (with one boost), too late for the earlier date, deflector shields sometimes get event bonuses, especially from battles, so it might just finish in time for a 2319 design anyway (with a 10 point bonus to each tech from events). Or we might start a design in one of those in-between years for some reason.
The case for 2320s Deflector Emitters: Emitters offer a pretty good event bonus (far better than the one for 2320s Deflector Shields) and an SR discount for future shield parts. Emitters needs to be finished before T3 shields become available to be able to reduce their SR cost. 2320 Deflector Shields can still be finished in time for a 2323 design, just one of the following things needs to happen for that:

• Inspiration to fall the right way this year (75% chance) and a boost.
• A new shields team next year - a good idea anyway because shields is the most important remaining research branch we only have one regular team for (along with warp tech if we don't count 40EA), 2-3 new teams per year should be manageable rp income wise.
• An event bonus of 5 points to each tech to 2320 Deflector Shields some time between now and 2322 (possibly also requiring a boost if it comes early and interacts badly with inspiration)

[] [DOCTRINE] Games & Theory Division : Wolf Pack Doctrine
[] [DOCTRINE] Games & Theory Division : Base Strike Doctrine
[] [DOCTRINE] Games & Theory Division : Decisive Battle Doctrine

[] [STARBASE] Henn-Makad Engineering Institute : 2310s Starbase Design - Combat
[] [STARBASE] Henn-Makad Engineering Institute : 2310s Starbase Design - Repair

Regardless which one we use Taves Nar next year for and which one Henn-Makad this year, 2310s Starbase Design - Combat will finish in 2322, and 2310s Starbase Design - Repair will finish in 2324. That means we should assign Henn-Makad to the one where we care less about the successor tech (because the higher skill Taves Nar would automatically be available in the first possible year we could research the successor tech we care more about).

Recommended boosts: Tiger Team, Starfleet Infectious Diseases Institute, Generic Teams 2, 3, 4.

Holding off boosting the Weapons Fabrication Division because the battle in Q2 might give a bonus to penetrating nadions, and if not we still have two years to do the second planned boost in.

The Gaeni have joined our research teams. You can panic now.

[X] [PLAN] Base Plan Re-balancing Analysis

[X] [SHIELDS] Andorian Academy : 2320s Deflector Emitters
[X] [DOCTRINE] Games & Theory Division : Decisive Battle Doctrine
[X] [STARBASE] Henn-Makad Engineering Institute : 2310s Starbase Design - Repair

[X][BOOST] Tiger Team, Starfleet Infectious Diseases Institute, Generic Teams 2, 3, 4.